must watch video explodes myths about Zionism and Israel

[mhgaffney]

The son of a famous Israeli general talks truth about Israel/Palestine

This will force you to rethink your comfort zone.


When Everything You Know Is UnTrue

Miko Peled Debunking Jewish Myths

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle32739.htm

[mhgaffney]

This is one of the bravest talks I've seen by an Israeli peace activist. Outstanding!

Peled says Israel is a terrorist state and calls for the dismantling of Zionism.

[W*GS]

Perhaps you can send one of these as an award:

[mhgaffney]

The truth about W*gs is now out in the open for all to see.

He stands the truth about Israel on its head -- and plays the fear card -

It worked for many years -- but it won't work any longer.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The truth about W*gs is now out in the open for all to see.

You're the one trying to hide your hatred of Jews. All the code words, all the dog whistles, all the usual claims...

We all see you for what you are, gaffe.

I merely point out the obvious.

PS - I don't fear. That's your personal problem. You're fearful to the point of paranoia and mental health issues.

[SoCalBronco]

Herr Gaff never tires.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Herr Gaff never tires.

He's got a world to save from the Jews.

He's got the same Messiah complex Hitler did.

[nyuk nyuk]

Knowing that this guy wants to rip down the wall under the false idea of living in peace makes him not only delusional, but not worthy of listening to. There's no such thing as a Muslim-majority country in which non-Muslims are treated with decency, and advocating such a thing for Israel equals holocaust, period. Internal demographics of Israel alone in the future may well end up with this outcome. The idea of a Jewish homeland means by definition a Jewish majority. Arabs living within Israel are already given far more rights and opportunities than those living anywhere in the Muslim world, yet the lefties in the media continually act as if they're prison inmates.

The problem with such silly videos is that they never address that the Palestinians have been offered a state 3 times and have each time turned it down (yet cry victim!), beginning with the Peel Commission recommendations of 1937 that would have given the large percentage of the land to the Arabs. The Jews accepted these proposals (and other similar agreements), but the Arabs always refused it with the apparent attitude of all-or-nothing. Now they cry victim that they don't have anything. Fouling one's own nest and blaming the other is a longstanding Muslim tradition.

Mr. Peled is a useful idiot and little else.

These pro-Palestinian activists should also be decent enough to address the mistreatment of Arab Christians in the West Bank by these Muslims. Bethlehem was once a 90% Christian town, and due to Muslim harassment, it's now only 10% Christian. The media have made championing Muslims one of their big pet causes, and in looking closer, their brazenly hostile and deceitful agenda comes to light. The Jewish guy that runs CNN-US is a lunatic and should be ashamed of himself.

So apparently the alleged treatment of Muslims by Jews in the West Bank and Gaza is an issue but not the treatment by Muslims of everyone else. Well that makes a whole hell of a lot of flipping sense. Welcome to the Left.

Then again, as a former leftist, I can sniff out their bull**** propaganda faster than speeding bullet. The radical left have been in bed with radical Muslims and jungle Marxist guerrillas for years under the false banner of "indigenous rights."

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Herr Gaff never tires.

This stuff is pretty standard for lefties, so I don't really see the Nazi connection. There's no bigger group of rabid anti-Semites around than Muslims, yet liberals defend them at every turn.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Knowing that this guy wants to rip down the wall under the false idea of living in peace makes him not only delusional, but not worthy of listening to. There's no such thing as a Muslim-majority country in which non-Muslims are treated with decency, and advocating such a thing for Israel equals holocaust, period. Internal demographics of Israel alone in the future may well end up with this outcome. The idea of a Jewish homeland means by definition a Jewish majority. Arabs living within Israel are already given far more rights and opportunities than those living anywhere in the Muslim world, yet the lefties in the media continually act as if they're prison inmates.

The problem with such silly videos is that they never address that the Palestinians have been offered a state 3 times and have each time turned it down (yet cry victim!), beginning with the Peel Commission recommendations of 1937 that would have given the large percentage of the land to the Arabs. The Jews accepted these proposals (and other similar agreements), but the Arabs always refused it with the apparent attitude of all-or-nothing. Now they cry victim that they don't have anything. Fouling one's own nest and blaming the other is a longstanding Muslim tradition.

Mr. Peled is a useful idiot and little else.

These pro-Palestinian activists should also be decent enough to address the mistreatment of Arab Christians in the West Bank by these Muslims. Bethlehem was once a 90% Christian town, and due to Muslim harassment, it's now only 10% Christian. The media have made championing Muslims one of their big pet causes, and in looking closer, their brazenly hostile and deceitful agenda comes to light. The Jewish guy that runs CNN-US is a lunatic and should be ashamed of himself.

So apparently the alleged treatment of Muslims by Jews in the West Bank and Gaza is an issue but not the treatment by Muslims of everyone else. Well that makes a whole hell of a lot of flipping sense. Welcome to the Left.

Then again, as a former leftist, I can sniff out their bull**** propaganda faster than speeding bullet. The radical left have been in bed with radical Muslims and jungle Marxist guerrillas for years under the false banner of "indigenous rights."

Another American idiot.

I'll clear up one of your own delusions. In fact, millions of sephardic Jews lived in Muslim countries for more than 1,000 years under exactly the conditions you say do not exist in Muslim countries.

Which is to say -- in peace, prosperity and tranquility. In Islam, Jews are viewed as people of the Book -- and are accorded respect.

Jews lived in most of the Arab nations without fear -- for centuries.

This happened while Christians in Europe were persecuting Jews.

Today the largest Jewish population in the Mideast - outside of Israel - lives - guess where? - yes, in Iran -- to be precise: Tehran.

These Jews view themselves as Iranians -- and have no wish to relocate to Israel. If Netanyahu starts the war he has for years been threatening to launch against Iran =- he will murder his own people in the process.

It will be Jews killing Jews. Is Netanyahu crazy enough to do it?

MHG

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

This stuff is pretty standard for lefties, so I don't really see the Nazi connection.

Ask gaffe if he's a liberal or a lefty.

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

There's no bigger group of rabid anti-Semites around than Muslims, yet liberals defend them at every turn.

Whereas conservatives believe the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

What's your plan for exterminating the ~1 billion of 'em?

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

This stuff is pretty standard for lefties, so I don't really see the Nazi connection. There's no bigger group of rabid anti-Semites around than Muslims, yet liberals defend them at every turn.

I am not an anti semite.

Recall -- it's W*gs who hates Jesus, the Jewish rabbi.

[mhgaffney]

The clowns on the board need to STFU -- and listen for a change.

Watch the video. Peled is talking truth.

Are you all too stupid (or too brainwashed) to recognize it?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I am not an anti semite.

And I'm the King of all the Britons.

You're as full of it as 'nyuk nyuk', gaffe.

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Recall -- it's W*gs who hates Jesus, the Jewish rabbi.

Jesus was a myth. An actual person named Jesus who did some preaching may have existed in the ME at around that time, but as the son of the Xtian god? Hell no.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Are you all too stupid (or too brainwashed) to recognize it?

We're too smart to be taken in by your filth.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Another American idiot.

I'll clear up one of your own delusions. In fact, millions of sephardic Jews lived in Muslim countries for more than 1,000 years under exactly the conditions you say do not exist in Muslim countries.

Which is to say -- in peace, prosperity and tranquility. In Islam, Jews are viewed as people of the Book -- and are accorded respect.

Jews lived in most of the Arab nations without fear -- for centuries.

This happened while Christians in Europe were persecuting Jews.

Today the largest Jewish population in the Mideast - outside of Israel - lives - guess where? - yes, in Iran -- to be precise: Tehran.

These Jews view themselves as Iranians -- and have no wish to relocate to Israel. If Netanyahu starts the war he has for years been threatening to launch against Iran =- he will murder his own people in the process.

It will be Jews killing Jews. Is Netanyahu crazy enough to do it?

MHG

As usual, the left enjoy vague anecdotes and uneducated utterances to support their defense of Islam. The problem is twofold: Islamic law and Muslim history.

"Respect" is not something Islamic law has toward Christians and Jews, in specific it treats them as 2nd class citizens. I'm sure you've heard the word "Dhimmi"? They are neither allowed to proselytize their religion nor cenebrate it in public in front of others. They are also not allowed to build new houses of worship. This is not tolerance, this is not getting along. I should not have to explain this.

Arab and Muslim are not the one and the same thing. Any society with Islamic government treats non-Muslims as 2nd class citizens, and any society with even a Muslim majority treats non-Muslims as 2nd class citizens, if not in official law, then in social relations on the streets. Muslims have been and are still persecuting Hindus, small Muslim sects considered apostate, and Christians. The real world of Islam isn't as spiffy and tidy that the lefty apologists with glazed-over eyes would like it to be.

One thing we were all taught as part of our Western Civilization studies was that the Muslims invaded Spain and didn't leave until hundreds of years had passed and finally enough indigenous resistance was mustered to expel them by force. Yet all we hear of these years from the left was how lovely life was in occupied Iberia. The steam is rising thickly from the bull**** of the left.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The clowns on the board need to STFU -- and listen for a change.

Watch the video. Peled is talking truth.

Are you all too stupid (or too brainwashed) to recognize it?

I've already explained why he's full of it. If you aren't able to respond to my criticisms, then you certainly aren't in a position to call others stupid for not believing you.

[W*GS]

If it wasn't for Muslims and Arab culture, western Europeans would never have heard of Aristotle.

They were a bit busy during the Dark Ages eradicating all knowledge in preference of Christian orthodoxy.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by W*GS

If it wasn't for Muslims and Arab culture, western Europeans would never have heard of Aristotle.

They were a bit busy during the Dark Ages eradicating all knowledge in preference of Christian orthodoxy.

Another vague generalization that is laughable on its face.

The funniest part is that nobody would defend transatlantic slavery by saying that Africa wouldn't have seen electric power without it.

D'oh.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Another vague generalization that is laughable on its face.

Not really. Ponder why so many stars have Arabic names and what "algebra" is.

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

The funniest part is that nobody would defend transatlantic slavery by saying that Africa wouldn't have seen electric power without it.

Your party just has a proud member saying this:

… the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.” (pages 183-89)

- Arkansas Republican Rep. Jon Hubbard

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Not really. Ponder why so many stars have Arabic names and what "algebra" is.

Not really. Ponder why the world has Calculus, electric power, automobiles, airplanes, jet engines, rocketry, bicycles, televisions, radios, and computers.

Your party just has a proud member saying this:


- Arkansas Republican Rep. Jon Hubbard

And considering you basically said the same about Muslims, you're in good company. Why the selective outrage?

[nyuk nyuk]

This video, albeit admittedly by a pro-Israel source, does explain accurately enough what I had previously mentioned of the multiple occasions the Palestinians have been offered a state and refused:



Here's a similar history but a shorter version narrated by Daniel Ayalon.

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Die Furor Gaffo the Wacko

[barryr]

The reality is the Palestinians are just pawns, used by the Arabs in their battle against Jews. The Arabs will kill Palestinians if it means killing Jews in the process, which they have done many times over. And as been pointed out, the Palestinians are far more freer now than they ever would be in the Muslim nations, which many Palestinians escaped from since they weren't wanted there. But now those same Muslim nations are so concerned about the plight of Palestine. Please.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by barryr

The reality is the Palestinians are just pawns, used by the Arabs in their battle against Jews. The Arabs will kill Palestinians if it means killing Jews in the process, which they have done many times over. And as been pointed out, the Palestinians are far more freer now than they ever would be in the Muslim nations, which many Palestinians escaped from since they weren't wanted there. But now those same Muslim nations are so concerned about the plight of Palestine. Please.

No, this is of their own volition. THEY were the ones that have turned down a sovereign Arab state on multiple occasions. They are not passive pawns, they are active instigators who know exactly what they're doing. They have been turning down the "2 state solution" since the 1930s and yet continually blame the Jews for it even though the Jews have been the ones accepting these deals. When their leadership said long ago it was either push the Jews into the sea or the Arabs will be pushed into the desert, they're getting what they asked for and are being pushed into the desert.

The Jews should be given ALL disputed territories and the populations therein expelled to nearby Arab countries. Muslim lands extend from Morocco to Indonesia, they do not need Israel or the territories, period.