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Old 10-12-2012, 02:11 PM   #101
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Not as demoralizing to an opposing defense as when they don't even get the chance to hit the field.
Are fumbles on runs or passes returned for TDs more often than fumbles on punt returns?
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:11 PM   #102
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I'm saying the Broncos haven't had an CONSISTENT FEARED THREAT at punt returner for decades. Did any of these guys have 4 TD punt returns in one season or 8 career PR TD's like Upchurch?
so you have to be one of the best returners of your generation to be feared? Gordon returned 3 in one season and 6 for a career. He probably wasn't going to be feared until he did one more time though.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:19 PM   #103
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I'm saying the Broncos haven't had an CONSISTENT FEARED THREAT at punt returner for decades. Did any of these guys have 4 TD punt returns in one season or 8 career PR TD's like Upchurch?
of course not. They don't grow on trees

but we've had solid contributers over the years.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:40 PM   #104
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Lindsay Jones@bylindsayhjones Demaryius Thomas on new teammate Holliday: "He blazes. He's super fast. I never saw a guy that fast in person."
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:48 PM   #105
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People are aware that the players that get in on special teams while on an 80 man roster are worse than the players that actually make the 53 man roster and play special teams in the regular season, right?

Difference without a distinction, IMO. Whether they have 1st/2nd teamers or not, there are many players who are playing kick coverage that will not make an NFL roster, not to mention the huge gap in intensity for the 'regulars' in preseason. All I'm saying is that this guy did all his damage largely against those guys, not active, regular season rosters. Is that incorrect?

I hope he works out in denver but basically, he's just a guy at this point.
I agree. At the same time most of us got our wish in getting more speed in the return game.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:01 PM   #106
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The last guy that was a threat to take it to the house was Eddie Royal. Sorry but we have nothing but crap for punt return with Leonhard or leonard or however its spelled, he's done nothing but catch the damn ball, he's not a threat to run one back.

I would rather have the potential on every punt to take it to the house or at least break off a big one 1 out of 10 times then average 5 yards all year long.

You are not going to make a difference with 5 extra yards of field position, but one punt return for a TD can be the difference between winning a game and losing, which in this league could be the difference in making the playoffs or not. IMHO this was a great move with very little downside and major potential upside.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:01 PM   #107
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what if your defense can't force a punt?


Lucky for us ours does.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:10 PM   #108
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The last guy that was a threat to take it to the house was Eddie Royal. Sorry but we have nothing but crap for punt return with Leonhard or leonard or however its spelled, he's done nothing but catch the damn ball, he's not a threat to run one back.

I would rather have the potential on every punt to take it to the house or at least break off a big one 1 out of 10 times then average 5 yards all year long.

You are not going to make a difference with 5 extra yards of field position, but one punt return for a TD can be the difference between winning a game and losing, which in this league could be the difference in making the playoffs or not. IMHO this was a great move with very little downside and major potential upside.
Nice post Lesbianbronco.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:20 PM   #109
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Eddie's 91 receptions are second most in NFL history for a rookie, behind only Anquan Boldin who had 101. His 980 yards and five touchdowns are both Broncos rookie records. He was seventh in the league among wide receivers in receptions, and sixth in the NFL in total yards.
Early in the 2009 season, Royal became the 4th fastest player in NFL history to reach 100 career receptions.
On October 19, 2009, Royal became the first player in Broncos history, and only the 11th player to date in National Football League history, to return a kickoff (93 yards) and a punt (71 yards) for touchdowns in the same game, leading undefeated Denver to a 34-23 win over the San Diego Chargers.


Wasted potential!! I think he would thrive in the Broncos offense now with Manning, wr bubble screen to eddie ftw, Cry me a River can't find morbidly obese Antonio Gates much less get Eddie the ball, not to mention Norv is an idiot and the Chargers are morons for paying 6mil guaranteed only to bench the guy.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:37 PM   #110
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I'm going on the record with this one. I mother ****ing love this signing. He is electric, and hopefully we find more uses than just kick returns. Kudos to the FO for trying to make this team better as the season rolls on.

Now, can we find a MLB that doesn't have his head up his ass please?
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:19 PM   #111
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This guy will get Denver 5 more yards a PR. If he does not fumble the ball away it was a good acquisition. If he fumbles the ball than it is not worth it. That is allI am saying.
lol, O knower of the known....O master of the obvious
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:23 PM   #112
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I hate how these highlight reels speed up the picture just a little. You can't get any real sense of how fast someone is. That said, the guy looks really speedy. And he gets up to top speed really fast.
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:27 PM   #113
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Gotta be the lamest video ever with special effects that don't highlight the only interesting thing about the guy....his speed. Epic fail.
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It is a good signing IMO. He has the kind of speed the Broncos have not had in a long time in the return game. Field position is key in the NFL and this guy could help in a big way.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:51 PM   #115
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I'm saying the Broncos haven't had an CONSISTENT FEARED THREAT at punt returner for decades. Did any of these guys have 4 TD punt returns in one season or 8 career PR TD's like Upchurch?
Gordon was a consistent feared threat. He was the best punt returner in the NFL in 1997 and 1998. Gordan returned two punts for a TD in one half.
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A few more videos about Holliday:







COLLEGE CAREER
The fastest player ever to play college football who ranks among the nation's elite as a return specialist ... Has returned a combined total of four punt returns and kickoff returns (2 of each) for touchdowns ... Capped his career ranked among the all-time leaders at LSU in punt return yards (7th at 647) and kickoff return yards (2nd at 1,806) ... His combined return yards of 2,453 ranks second in school history to Domanick Davis' 3,294 return yards ... Finished his career with 3,297 all-purpose yards (772 rushing, 72 receiving, 647 PR, 1,806 KOR), which ranks 10th in school history ... Is an eight-time All-American in track and field for the Tigers and is the reigning NCAA champion in the 100-meter dash after clocking 10.00 in the national final at the 2009 NCAA Outdoor meet ... Is a three-time SEC Special Teams Player of the Week recipient ... Improved draft status by running a 4.34 at the NFL Combine in February of 2010.

ON THE TRACK (SPRING 2009)
Reclaimed the title of the world’s fastest football player by running a new personal best of 10.00 seconds in the 100-meter dash during the 2009 season ... Has run the 100-meter dash faster than any other football player in the history of the sport ... Is the reigning NCAA champion in the 100-meter dash with his victory at the 2009 NCAA Outdoor Championships ... Also anchored the Tigers to an NCAA runner-up finish in the 4x100-meter relay at the national meet ... Clocked a 10.01 in the conference final to become the first male athlete in LSU history to win two career SEC titles in the 100-meter dash ... Also captured his second career NCAA Mideast Regional crown in the 100 meters ... Also earned All-America honors for the 2009 indoor season while finishing as the NCAA runner-up in the 60-meter dash ... With his three All-America honors, Holliday helped lead the Tigers to a fourth-place finish at the NCAA Indoor Championships and a fifth-place finish at the NCAA Outdoor Championships in 2009 ... In addition to his SEC title in the 100 meters outdoors, Holliday won his first career SEC championship in the 60-meter dash during the indoor season ... Added a third All-SEC honor during the outdoor season while anchoring LSU’s 4x100 relay to a runner-up finish at the SEC Outdoor Track and Field Championships.

HIGH SCHOOL
One of the state's most underrated athletes who possesses incredible speed ... Posted the nation’s fastest indoor times in the 55 and 60-meter dash in 2005 ... Led Northeast High School to the 2A state title in the spring of 2005 by winning the 100 and 200 meters ... Was also second in the state meet in the long jump ... Has been clocked at 4.27 seconds in the 40-yard dash ...Clocked as fast as 6.27 seconds in the 55-meter dash ... Accumulated 2,210 yards rushing (11.4 per carry) on 193 carries and 34 touchdowns as a senior ... Averaged 27.6 yards per punt return ... Rushed for 1,870 yards and 26 touchdowns as a junior ... Four-time state champion in the 200 meters and three-time state champion in the 100 meters ... Coached by David Masterson.

PERSONAL
Full name is Trindon Jerard Holliday ... Born April 27, 1986, in Baton Rouge ... Mom is Gwendolyn Richardson ... Has three siblings - Treavion, Dennis and Damonte’ ... Majoring in general studies.
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COLLEGE CAREER
The fastest player ever to play college football who ranks among the nation's elite as a return specialist ... Has returned a combined total of four punt returns and kickoff returns (2 of each) for touchdowns ... Capped his career ranked among the all-time leaders at LSU in punt return yards (7th at 647) and kickoff return yards (2nd at 1,806) ... His combined return yards of 2,453 ranks second in school history to Domanick Davis' 3,294 return yards ... Finished his career with 3,297 all-purpose yards (772 rushing, 72 receiving, 647 PR, 1,806 KOR), which ranks 10th in school history ... Is an eight-time All-American in track and field for the Tigers and is the reigning NCAA champion in the 100-meter dash after clocking 10.00 in the national final at the 2009 NCAA Outdoor meet ... Is a three-time SEC Special Teams Player of the Week recipient ... Improved draft status by running a 4.34 at the NFL Combine in February of 2010.

ON THE TRACK (SPRING 2009)
Reclaimed the title of the world’s fastest football player by running a new personal best of 10.00 seconds in the 100-meter dash during the 2009 season ... Has run the 100-meter dash faster than any other football player in the history of the sport ... Is the reigning NCAA champion in the 100-meter dash with his victory at the 2009 NCAA Outdoor Championships ... Also anchored the Tigers to an NCAA runner-up finish in the 4x100-meter relay at the national meet ... Clocked a 10.01 in the conference final to become the first male athlete in LSU history to win two career SEC titles in the 100-meter dash ... Also captured his second career NCAA Mideast Regional crown in the 100 meters ... Also earned All-America honors for the 2009 indoor season while finishing as the NCAA runner-up in the 60-meter dash ... With his three All-America honors, Holliday helped lead the Tigers to a fourth-place finish at the NCAA Indoor Championships and a fifth-place finish at the NCAA Outdoor Championships in 2009 ... In addition to his SEC title in the 100 meters outdoors, Holliday won his first career SEC championship in the 60-meter dash during the indoor season ... Added a third All-SEC honor during the outdoor season while anchoring LSU’s 4x100 relay to a runner-up finish at the SEC Outdoor Track and Field Championships.

HIGH SCHOOL
One of the state's most underrated athletes who possesses incredible speed ... Posted the nation’s fastest indoor times in the 55 and 60-meter dash in 2005 ... Led Northeast High School to the 2A state title in the spring of 2005 by winning the 100 and 200 meters ... Was also second in the state meet in the long jump ... Has been clocked at 4.27 seconds in the 40-yard dash ...Clocked as fast as 6.27 seconds in the 55-meter dash ... Accumulated 2,210 yards rushing (11.4 per carry) on 193 carries and 34 touchdowns as a senior ... Averaged 27.6 yards per punt return ... Rushed for 1,870 yards and 26 touchdowns as a junior ... Four-time state champion in the 200 meters and three-time state champion in the 100 meters ... Coached by David Masterson.

PERSONAL
Full name is Trindon Jerard Holliday ... Born April 27, 1986, in Baton Rouge ... Mom is Gwendolyn Richardson ... Has three siblings - Treavion, Dennis and Damonte’ ... Majoring in general studies.
All this yet he was cut by the Texans because they needed a back-up linebacker.
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Old 10-13-2012, 05:42 AM   #118
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All this yet he was cut by the Texans because they needed a back-up linebacker.
It happens. Lots of great players get realized from their original team go on to star for another team not saying it will happen with this guy but it could.
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:37 AM   #119
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All this yet he was cut by the Texans because they needed a back-up linebacker.
They're hand was forced because they lost a starting LB for the season, it's not like this was a whimsical signing. Crap happens, and it did for the Texans.
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Old 10-15-2012, 05:59 PM   #120
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I'm thinking Jim Leonhard is standing on the sidelines right now humming a Toby Keith song.....

wonder if those who hated Jim returning punts love his hands now?
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:03 PM   #121
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But what if he fumbles?!!
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:29 PM   #123
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:30 PM   #124
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Our coaches are utterly inept. We have a genuine talent in Tebow but they can't use him and then trade him. Then we end up signing losers like this clown.

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I'm on board as long as he doesn't fumble the ball. The last thing you want to do is take possessions away from manning for another 5 yards on a punt return.
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