US embassy in Libya in flames, ambassador dead

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

True. Obama's foreign policy is a disaster for the US of A.

Unfortunately, Romney's will be even worse.

We are without a real choice in this election season.

The question: what to do?

Shirley you jest.. Not sure who's FP was/is worse his or Carter..

I do not see how Romney could fubar FP any worse than nobama has so far..

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I caught the Zionist lying to me -- with the view to deceiving me. This happened repeatedly.

You're one stupid ****.

All I want to know are two things:

1) What is Venus?

2) When was America at its best, and explain your assertion.

You're as bad as that moron Sarah Palin whining about "gotcha" questions.

Show us you're smarter than that idiot. If you can.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Shirley you jest.. Not sure who's FP was/is worse his or Carter..

I do not see how Romney could fubar FP any worse than nobama has so far..

No I do not jest.

You evidently have not been paying attention. Romney has a typical Mormon perspective on the Mideast. He shares the ultra-reactionatry Christian fundamentalist view of it -- in other words he supports Israel's racist Apartheid system --

He wants to make Israeli PM Bibi Netanyahu his trusted advisor on all issues dealing with the Mideast. which will of course lead to another big war -- probably within months of the election.

Romney is clueless about the region, its history, its diverse peoples and religions. He will enthusiastically support whatever Israel does, right or wrong.

He will be the worst US president in memory -- and they've mostly all been bad. We have not had a good one since JFK -- and look what the CIA and banksters did to him.

In short, things will suddenly become MUCH worse.

You need to understand clearly that a major war with Iran will likely go nuclear within days if not hours.

Think about this before casting your ballot. Unfortunately, I can't offer a better alternative. There is none.

Many patriots will sit out this election -- for want of anyone to believe in.
MHG

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

No I do not jest.

You evidently have not been paying attention. Romney has a typical Mormon perspective on the Mideast. He shares the ultra-reactionatry Christian fundamentalist view of it -- in other words he supports Israel's racist Apartheid system --

He wants to make Israeli PM Bibi Netanyahu his trusted advisor on all issues dealing with the Mideast. which will of course lead to another big war -- probably within months of the election.

Romney is clueless about the region, its history, its diverse peoples and religions. He will enthusiastically support whatever Israel does, right or wrong.

He will be the worst US president in memory -- and they've mostly all been bad. We have not had a good one since JFK -- and look what the CIA and banksters did to him.

In short, things will suddenly become MUCH worse.

You need to understand clearly that a major war with Iran will likely go nuclear within days if not hours.

Think about this before casting your ballot. Unfortunately, I can't offer a better alternative. There is none.

Many patriots will sit out this election -- for want of anyone to believe in.
MHG

Oh I see instead of having someone on our side who likes us in the area, you want sell the farm out even more to obamas Muslim "friends".

Yep that makes so much more sense to the logical mind.

But go ahead and stick your head in the Syrian/Iran sand and hope they like us.

Myself I know they hate anything not 13th century.

[barryr]

The idiots in the Obama admin. can not even get their stories straight. No wonder people got killed.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by barryr

The idiots in the Obama admin. can not even get their stories straight. No wonder people got killed.

I've been to several Embassies over the years and have never seen one with out a Marine Guard contingent..

But I guess they are trying to save money, and this is one of those ways..

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Mother of Navy Seal killed in Libya speaks out against Romney

BOSTON (WHDH) -- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has agreed to stop sharing a story about his encounter with Winchester Navy SEAL Glen Doherty who was killed in the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya after Doherty’s mother said she was upset Romney was using the story for his political agenda.

Glen Doherty was one of four Americans killed in the September 11 attack on the U.S. consulate.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by lonestar

I've been to several Embassies over the years and have never seen one with out a Marine Guard contingent..

But I guess they are trying to save money, and this is one of those ways..

Embassies Security is Not the responsibility of the Corp and they are only at major activities. DSS has responsibility and like under Bush they have outsourced physical security to PMC.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Come on, you're a respectable poster. Don't take that boat trip down denial river.
-It was 9-11
-13 separate attacks on or near the compound between April and September
-The U.S. mission in Libya recorded 230 "security incidents" over a one-year period between 2011 and 2012
-There was no protest at the consulate
-RPG's...
-The chain of events in that timeline were absolutely pushed up the chain immediately. No way it took a week to gather the facts necessary to rule out a protest gone wild over a stupid video. If not, we have big problem either way.

Having been through enough crisis within the government, it's never as straight forward as anyone wants it to be. When it's this high visibility you get people wanting to jump in and offering "opinions" without being fully briefed or understand what really occurred. As I posted early here this thread or on BF (can not remember which) at beginning of the tragic events, that it was still a fluid situation and more information was going to come to light as things progressed.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Originally Posted by elsid13

Having been through enough crisis within the government, it's never as straight forward as anyone wants it to be. When it's this high visibility you get people wanting to jump in and offering "opinions" without being fully briefed or understand what really occurred. As I posted early here this thread or on BF (can not remember which) at beginning of the tragic events, that it was still a fluid situation and more information was going to come to light as things progressed.

Where did the information blaming a YouTube video for sparking this attack come from? Not a single shred of information to prove this has ever come to light. Yet for two weeks it was all the president, sec of state, ambassador to the UN, and whitehouse spokeskid talked about. When the flag draped coffin of Chris Stevens arrived home, the YouTube video was blamed. At the UN general assembly the President blamed the YouTube video. The administration even put out a public service announcement pleading to the Muslim world to disregard this video.

Where did this ridiculous notion that a YouTube video had anything to do with the ambassador's murder come from?

Does it not trouble you that we have an administration that publicly laments and appologizes for free speech? How about censoring free speech by demanding YouTube take the video down? Or the perpwalk and arrest of an American citizen for posting this video?

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Oh I see instead of having someone on our side who likes us in the area, you want sell the farm out even more to obamas Muslim "friends".

Yep that makes so much more sense to the logical mind.

But go ahead and stick your head in the Syrian/Iran sand and hope they like us.

Myself I know they hate anything not 13th century.

From your own words, it appears that the one who hates is you.

You are a typical know it all (as in: know nothing) American who thinks it's our destiny to spread Walmart and McDonalds around the planet -- until everyone looks and talks like us.

I've been studying and writing about the Mideast since 1982 -- and I've watched everything get worse, largely because of the role the US has played.

If they hate us- - it has nothing to do with the 13th century. It's because of US imperialism -- the fact we have bombed and invaded their countries.

MHG

[W*GS]

Heya gaffe...

1) What is Venus?

2) When was America at its best, and explain your assertion.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

Where did the information blaming a YouTube video for sparking this attack come from? Not a single shred of information to prove this has ever come to light. Yet for two weeks it was all the president, sec of state, ambassador to the UN, and whitehouse spokeskid talked about. When the flag draped coffin of Chris Stevens arrived home, the YouTube video was blamed. At the UN general assembly the President blamed the YouTube video. The administration even put out a public service announcement pleading to the Muslim world to disregard this video.

Where did this ridiculous notion that a YouTube video had anything to do with the ambassador's murder come from?

Does it not trouble you that we have an administration that publicly laments and appologizes for free speech? How about censoring free speech by demanding YouTube take the video down? Or the perpwalk and arrest of an American citizen for posting this video?

Don't forgot we had a number of incident occurring at the same time. The Video which did spark protest and attempted storming of US Embassy in Egypt on the same day and similar unrest in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Malaysia and Middle East. We have seen how truly connected and small the modern world is with the things happen. It not hard to see someone drawing the connection when they have not fully been brief (Susan Rice).

[barryr]

Looks like Obama is going to try to pass the blame to Hillary for the Libya fiasco. That should go over well with Bill

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by elsid13

Don't forgot we had a number of incident occurring at the same time. The Video which did spark protest and attempted storming of US Embassy in Egypt on the same day and similar unrest in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Malaysia and Middle East. We have seen how truly connected and small the modern world is with the things happen. It not hard to see someone drawing the connection when they have not fully been brief (Susan Rice).

If you could isolate it to Susan Rice alone, that would be one thing. But the administration made a coordinated effort between many people to try to pass this off as a protest-gone-wrong over a youtube clip.

They even attempted to use the power of the White House to have the youtube clip censored.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-...be-135618.html

The question remains. Why was the White House so desperate to paint this terrorist attack as something different than it was?

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Heya gaffe...

1) What is Venus?
ill answer that one
Venus is the second planet from the Sun, orbiting it every 224.7 Earth days.[11] The planet is named after the Roman goddess of love and beauty. After the Moon, it is the brightest natural object in the night sky, reaching an apparent magnitude of −4.6, bright enough to cast shadows.[13] Because Venus is an inferior planet from Earth, it never appears to venture far from the Sun: its elongation reaches a maximum of 47.8°. Venus reaches its maximum brightness shortly before sunrise or shortly after sunset, for which reason it has been referred to by ancient cultures as the Morning Star or Evening Star

2) When was America at its best, and explain your assertion.

as for no 2 that varies depending on your opinion quite a few elderly people reminisce about the good ol days and it changes every generation.
some middle age people think the 80s was the best years.

as for me i like them all 70 80 90s and the 2000 im not one to be stuck in one time period i like to change with the times.
i can fit in with any of those eras

[Requiem]

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bad news for lonestar, barryr, and the right-wing brain trust...

GOP Rep. Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: \'You Have To Prioritize Things\'

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Right-Wing Media's Libya Consulate Security Mythology Falls Apart

[ant1999e]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=107754

Originally Posted by ant1999e

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/de...port-for-vote/

House Democrats opened Wednesday’s House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing by attacking Republicans for cuts to embassy security funding — cuts that only happened thanks to overwhelming support from House Democrats, including House Oversight Committee Ranking Democratic member Rep. Elijah Cummings. In fact, more House Democrats – 149 of them — voted for the cuts than did House Republicans, of which 147 voted for them. cont...

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/de...#ixzz28xJDJT9z

Originally Posted by ant1999e

http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-...-deadly-attack


According to Reuters, U.S. Security Officer Eric Nordstrom, who was assigned to a post in Tripoli until about two months before the attack on the Embassy in Bengazi on September 11, spoke out today regarding a serious concern regarding the State Department in relation to the deadly attack. According to Nordstrom, he had asked his State Department superiors on two separate occasions to issue more security agents to the American mission in Benghazi.

According to documented communication, Charlene Lamb who is a State Department official wanted to maintain an “artificially low” presence of United States security personnel in Benghazi.

Nordstrom reportedly continued to insist on additional U.S. security in Libya by even chronologically listing security incidents that had occurred there from June 2011 to July 2012, forty-eight of the incidents involving incident of militia gunfights to bomb attacks right in Benghazi.

This information was made public in a brief summary of Nordstrom’s statements during an interview with the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

According to the Reuters report, Nordstrom’s actions and those of his superiors are to be analyzed in a public hearing on Wednesday in Congress.

The deadly attack in Benghazi left four dead including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens. First reports attempted to blame a viral video which disrespected Islam but then were later changed to admitting that the September 11 attack was terrorist-related.

The primary source of this article is Reuters.

Originally Posted by ant1999e

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...rity-missteps/

Cont...
Lt. Col. Andy Wood, the former head of a U.S. Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya, has told CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson that he and many other senior staff at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, "felt we needed more, not less" security personnel in the country, but were told "to do with less. For what reasons, I don't know."

Wood and others have portrayed a State Department in Washington that was either unwilling to provide American officials in Libya with the security they required or ignorant of the pressing security concerns in a country where the central government is weak, and Islamic extremist militias have enjoyed virtual free reign in the power vacuum created by the toppling and killing of long-time dictator Muammar Qaddafi.cont...

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by barryr

Looks like Obama is going to try to pass the blame to Hillary for the Libya fiasco. That should go over well with Bill

Has he fessed up and taken responsibility for ANYTHING that has gone south in the past 4 years?

I think everything bad is someone else's fault..

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Has he fessed up and taken responsibility for ANYTHING that has gone south in the past 4 years?

I think everything bad is someone else's fault..

if obama wants double points he should somehow add bush to the blame list triple points of you can blame Romney quadruple if you can add republicans. 999999999 points if he can use it to blame the rich raise taxes and bankrupt the country

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by DAN_BRONCO_FAN

if obama wants double points he should somehow add bush to the blame list triple points of you can blame Romney quadruple if you can add republicans. 999999999 points if he can use it to blame the rich raise taxes and bankrupt the country

you beat me to it..

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=107754

no no no its all bushes, republicans ,the rich , the altitude ,him being a nice and polite guy fault.
and this is why we need to gut the military ,tax the rich millionaires* 100% and blame bush
* by millionaires we mean anyone making 200,000 or 500,000 or whatever we decide is rich

[barryr]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Has he fessed up and taken responsibility for ANYTHING that has gone south in the past 4 years?

I think everything bad is someone else's fault..

Heck, he and his team tried to even blame John Kerry for his horrid debate performance.