VP Debate

[barryr]

Biden claimed in the debate he voted against the war with Iraq and Afghanistan but he either lied or forgot what he voted for since he voted for both of them. With him, it is hard to say, but we "know" democrats never lie around here.

[pricejj]

Great job Congressman Ryan.

[Meck77]

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[Dexter]

Originally Posted by barryr

Like I stated, I then will expect to see more grammar rule posts by you with others to show your "objectivity." If not, then you're full of BS, but from what you just posted, one sees you are an Obama voter but you just don't want to admit it. Not that I blame you

Oh, I'm not afraid to admit I'll be voting for Obama. Not that I'm really excited about it, but really when the GOP goes the way it has been going for the last decade, what other choice do I have?

Until you guys are more willing to nominate someone more moderate like John Huntsman, I will not be voting for the republican ticket. I've explained this in my past posts. Not that I expect you to believe that I'd ever vote for a republican. Because if I'm voting for Obama, I'm just some dirty liberal right? Its like the far right and far left can't fathom that there are actual moderates that vote in this country.

[Kaylore]

This CNN Poll says Ryan barely won. I would say Biden won, but I can see why some say it's a split.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...n-48-biden-44/

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by barryr

The issues facing this country are serious and seeing a career politician spend most of the night giggling like a girl does not solve a thing or help the image the Obama admin. really knows what they're doing and have real solutions. But the last 4 years have pretty much shown that.

He's the same old Washington insider Obama picked because he felt that even though he bragged about being an outsider was an asset and was a reason to not vote McCain and ****.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

This CNN Poll says Ryan barely won. I would say Biden won, but I can see why some say it's a split.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...n-48-biden-44/

CNN must hate giving these debates to the Republicans. It was much more than a "barely" win.

[ghwk]

Originally Posted by lonestar

saw just a few minutes of it..

what I saw was a rude old fart that thought it was smart to laugh at his opponent rather than debate with him..



Hey biden must be one of our uber liberal posters..

FWIW I am a firm believer that it was a hail mary, But NO ONE votes for the VP..

therefore a waste of money to produce and watch..

And therefore a waste of time for you to bother commenting. Please don't.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Great job Congressman Ryan.

You can't say that with a Frederick Douglass avatar. Republicans = racist oppressors, remember?

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by ghwk

And therefore a waste of time for you to bother commenting. Please don't.

I saw the whole thing and concur with his observations of those few moments. Why? They kept repeating like a stuck record.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by barryr

Biden claimed in the debate he voted against the war with Iraq and Afghanistan but he either lied or forgot what he voted for since he voted for both of them. With him, it is hard to say, but we "know" democrats never lie around here.

I don't know, but I find it amusing they're pulling the pullout timetable crap again. When Obama was Senator he did the 16 month pullout plan and of course after that time passed, Iraq was still too unstable so he had to admit he was wrong. Setting timetables like that only appeases the lemmings and the dolts and the flower children, but it's not good or intelligent policy. Real life doesn't work that way, and neither does competent governance. However, the Obama team will not admit this because it whoops up the core constituency.

This is stupid, clueless policy. Obama's stammering is priceless.



Obama's original plan was to pull out US troops from Iraq by the end of 2008. Epic fail.

Obama Outlines Plan for Iraq Pullout

Sen. Barack Obama's plan for Iraq includes immediate withdrawal of one or two brigades every month and completing a full withdrawal by the end of 2008.

!

[~Crash~]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Interesting the debate. I think Biden went overkill with the smiling and laughing. He should have reigned it in a bit, especially on the sensitive issues. Biden had better responses on foreign policy and Medicare, which I expected. I thin Ryan pretty much destroyed the idea that the Rich "can pay for evrerything" as a general philosophy and again, predictably had better answers on economic issues.

Biden did a much better job selling his message to America and was better able to keep his views simplified. I think the smirking/laughing was too much and at times he became too aggressive.

Ryan was able to stay calm and stuck to his answers but got lost in the intricacies and by allowing Biden and the moderator to push him around, I think he can across as "just some guy." It's strange that Sarah Palin did better against Biden than Ryan did.

I would give the debate to Biden, but I am curious to see the fallout. Biden came at Ryan like the left wants to see conservatives attacked: Disrespectful, dismissive, sarcastic, and at times outright hostile. This may have been a "let's excite the voter base" play. I think his appeal to the middle class was good, but I think he may have come across as too hostile and at times pretty arrogant. He interrupted the moderator and Ryan several times and acted like he couldn't take anything that was being brought up as even remotely credible. The internet is already latching on to "the smirk" so it's going to be an issue. This is what I thought they might do and if all they wanted was to was energize the base, then that's fine. However if it plays like it's starting to: too much, too arrogant, too disrespectful, it may not pan out with the middle voters as much.

For Ryan, he needs more experience. Biden beat on some issues, and on other issues where Ryan was more substantive and supported by facts, Biden did a better job of re-framing the argument around parameters people can identify with or just shifting the argument all together. Ryan needs to realize who he's really talking to. Hint: It wasn't the moderator.

At the end of the day I don't believe VP debates make too much of a difference. Ultimately this is a fight between Romney and Ryan.

Relay cause his nuke answer scared the hell out of me he said why worry they have no missile to send it .. he was giddy when said it over and over ... yep our porous boarder and 100 thousand in cowboy stadium ...

[Blart]

I hope if you support Ryan, you at least don't believe his false sincerity. It's so gross to see him stand up there and talk about the importance of medicare and social security and how he loves old people and blah blah blah

I much prefer the hateful conservative who believes it's every man for himself and is honest about it. Bring back the Romney who hated 47%!

[Blart]

Just a note to the conservatives here: Liberals don't watch CNN. Just thought I'd keep you up to date.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...n-gets-a-hold/

A CBS News-Knowledge Networks poll of undecided voters who watched the debate found 50 percent giving the advantage to Mr. Biden, 31 percent to the Republican, Representative Paul D. Ryan, and 19 percent calling the debate a tie.

A CNN poll of debate-watchers, however, had 48 percent giving the debate to Mr. Ryan, and 44 percent to Mr. Biden.

The surveys are not directly comparable: the CBS News poll was conducted among undecided voters only, while the CNN poll was among all debate viewers. But it might be noted that Mr. Biden’s margin in the CBS News poll was somewhat larger than Mr. Ryan’s in the CNN survey, which was within the poll’s margin of sampling error.

Undecided voters are the only ones who matter.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by ghwk

And therefore a waste of time for you to bother commenting. Please don't.

Hey I have. A few minutes from time time while taking a dump. Which in hind site was more important your posts.
Pardon the pun.

How about "master of the forum" you not worry about if I add my thoughts.

If it is an issue put me on IGGY. Ah but then you don't get those snappy remarks in your whippy posts.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Blart

I hope if you support Ryan, you at least don't believe his false sincerity. It's so gross to see him stand up there and talk about the importance of medicare and social security and how he loves old people and blah blah blah

I much prefer the hateful conservative who believes it's every man for himself and is honest about it. Bring back the Romney who hated 47%!

And listening to Biden was any better. Ahahahahahahahaha

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by ~Crash~

Relay cause his nuke answer scared the hell out of me he said why worry they have no missile to send it .. he was giddy when said it over and over ... yep our porous boarder and 100 thousand in cowboy stadium ...

They don't have a bomb yet just the fissionable material.

Anyone want to bet the rest can be acquired quickly when they need it. If they do not already have it or are working on it.

If nobamas intell was so weak on the murders pray tell why should we believe they have a clue on the rest of irans secrets.

[ZONA]

Either left or right, what I can't stand at all, are those people they have after the debate that are "undecided" and to think they're going to make their decision based on a debate, where half of this **** said is not even true, or they're going off of "style" points. I imagine those are the very people that don't give a damn about politics for 3.5 years and even during election year they really don't follow the campaigns and they base their vote on a few debates. For those people, do us ALL a favor and DON'T vote. You might as well go into the voting booth and close your eyes and just start pressing buttons. ****in retards.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Joe Biden -

"My religion defines who I am."

RELIGIOUS MANIAC ALERT!

You're every bit as dishonest as the grifter candidate you support.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

CNN must hate giving these debates to the Republicans. It was much more than a "barely" win.

Well, you can clearly see one of the key differences between the right and left in this country. When our guy lost, we didn't pretend otherwise. Pretty boy got his lying butt handed to him last night, and you've got dopes like nyuk nyuk pretending that he did a good job. And the so-called liberal media is so afraid of being accused of bias that they pretend it was a wash. I had to laugh at one of the CNN headlines this morning: "Ryan holds own with Biden." Give me a break. Biden broke his loafer off in Ryan's rear.

[~Crash~]

Originally Posted by lonestar

They don't have a bomb yet just the fissionable material.

Anyone want to bet the rest can be acquired quickly when they need it. If they do not already have it or are working on it.

If nobamas intell was so weak on the murders pray tell why should we believe they have a clue on the rest of irans secrets.

well I will do you one better dirty bomb done right in NY City and no one ever lives in NY City again in our life time they aready have what I am talking about.

[Requiem]

I thought both had their moments, Ryan's closing statement was demogauge to the max, but probably effective.

Though, I thought Biden did better on policy, but per usual, he was condescending, but I think he had a good reason to be.

That is actually one of the reasons I like Joe, because he is an aggressive elder statesman. Perfect fit for the VP role. In actuality, he was the candidate I supported back in 2008 during the primaries over Clinton and Obama.

I was laughing along with him too, because Ryan is as dishonest as the come and completely facepalmed on tax revenue and 2014 Afghanistan withdrawal. (Notice how the moderator had to even ask him if they had specifics on both those, to which he didn't.)

After two debates, the big convention bounce Obama/Biden got has pretty much erased nationally, but they are still doing a good job in the battleground states. Romney/Ryan has made some ground and took leads in CO/FL, but it will be interesting to see how Biden's appeal to seniors on Medicare will impact likely voters in FL, VA, etc.

It was a fun and fiesty debate to watch. I even laughed when Ryan made fun of Biden.

[~Crash~]

Originally Posted by Dexter

Oh, I'm not afraid to admit I'll be voting for Obama. Not that I'm really excited about it, but really when the GOP goes the way it has been going for the last decade, what other choice do I have?

Until you guys are more willing to nominate someone more moderate like John Huntsman, I will not be voting for the republican ticket. I've explained this in my past posts. Not that I expect you to believe that I'd ever vote for a republican. Because if I'm voting for Obama, I'm just some dirty liberal right? Its like the far right and far left can't fathom that there are actual moderates that vote in this country.

It is your right . enjoy .

Enjoy the gas,elect, food prices and housing prices,you money going into the gutter if you're vote really counts.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by ~Crash~

It is your right . enjoy .

Enjoy the gas,elect, food prices and housing prices,you money going into the gutter if you're vote really counts.

Aren't you the same guy who has said you've donated hundreds of dollars to the Romney campaign, yet are espousing about others money going into the gutter? Goodness.

[slatimer]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

It just proves that bias rules perception. I guarantee you 100%, if you go back and run a clock on these two guys, Ryan had nearly double the talking time.

typical wrong guarantee by a dems as usual. Biden had unofficially one more minute of talk time. And I don't think that includes his interruptions all night long.