American Air Boss Speaks Softly, Carries Stick

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Seriously anyone following along needs to read the above outrageous lies..............and realize who we are dealing with here.

Republican douche...........

Yep. He called unions blood suckers, then claimed he never said they were the problem. When I called him out on it, he clammed up and just basically said "well I believe what I believe, and I'm right." Again, with no proof. But what do you expect from someone who wears a little yellow helmet on his way to his job taking tickets at the zoo.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Here is the truth...........you don't know chit.

I work there and we gave up 18.5 % in wages and benefits for the last ten years.

Fat contracts for the largest order of aircraft in history but damn sure not labor.

Full of chit is what you are.

Bankruptcy courts almost always take the companies side.


Other airline employees took concessions and now they are profitable.

This is management failure but your labor, union hating ass will never admit it.

4 billion in cash and assets...............

I got my pension...................

no moron Bankruptcy courts do not always agree with the company if they are not bankrupt the court does not allow it..

I'm guessing you do not have a clue on the term so here it is..

bank·rupt
   [bangk-ruhpt, -ruhpt]
noun
1.
Law . a person/company who upon his or her own petition or that of his or her creditors is adjudged insolvent by a court and whose property is administered for and divided among his or her creditors under a bankruptcy law.
2.
any insolvent debtor; a person unable to satisfy any just claims made upon him or her.
3.
a person who is lacking in a particular thing or quality: a moral bankrupt.

since insolvent might be a big word for you

in·sol·vent
   [in-sol-vuhnt]
adjective
1.
not solvent; unable to satisfy creditors or discharge liabilities, either because liabilities exceed assets or because of inability to pay debts as they mature.
2.
pertaining to bankrupt persons or bankruptcy.

I understand you gave back 18.5% BFD the courts said in part that was not enough..


The $4.1 Billions is considered an asset and thus carried on that side of the ledger.. even with that IIRC AA was 4.8something in the hole IF they did not the $4.1 billion in the bank for expenses during Bankruptcy the judge may have just considered closing the company down all together and liquidating the assets to pay off creditors..

Yes it may be a management issue.. but that does not mean they will pay for the problem.. it means EVERYONE that is associated with them will get part of the blame..

it ahs been in the past labors fault for insisting on higher wages and benefits than the airline can afford IF they do not get it they strike which costs money so the airline bites the bullet knowing that somewhere down the line it will all come crashing down..

Now because 3 or more unions at AA are getting their employees to much money, the cost of fuel and not being able to buy new equipment (planes) because labor costs are to high it has reached a point that they had to go into bankruptcy because they were reaching a point that they spent more money than they had..

SO suppliers they owe or owed money to, employees shareholders are now going to get less then they were due..



the more I hear from you the more I think #3 above applies to you..

SO do you get it YET.. or are you going to think calling me a union hater will make it all right..

as for your pension the judge has not made that decision yet.. if the fund has ten million less than it is supposed to have it comes from somewhere..

probably another bailout from Nobama.. man what he won't do to get a vote..

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

lies.....................pure and simple..............you think for one minute anybody believes a union employee is easier to fire than a non union
employee ? Just happens to be one of the founding principles of unionization.............you can't just fire someone arbitrarily.

ass clown idiot

It is easier to fire a union employee because it is all down on paper what they can and can not do the rules are clear..

follow the rules and give them the warnings and then fire them if they do it again..

with non union employees the rules are not always on paper and more warnings are given in most cases more time spent rehabilitating them .. nothing is black and white like it is with a union contract..

I have seen management bend over backwards to Not fire a marginal employee that is no union in hopes that it will keep union reps from attempting to organize them..

Not saying I have ever done that but I have seen it in the past.. Personally I liked union employees as I had a great contract and the union rep was a wuss..

I have never fired some one arbitrarily always had the facts cold.. most of the time the morons that though being union was great and could not be touched were the easiest to fire..

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by lonestar

It is easier to fire a union employee because it is all down on paper what they can and can not do the rules are clear..

follow the rules and give them the warnings and then fire them if they do it again..

with non union employees the rules are not always on paper and more warnings are given in most cases more time spent rehabilitating them .. nothing is black and white like it is with a union contract..

I have seen management bend over backwards to Not fire a marginal employee that is no union in hopes that it will keep union reps from attempting to organize them..

Not saying I have ever done that but I have seen it in the past.. Personally I liked union employees as I had a great contract and the union rep was a wuss..

I have never fired some one arbitrarily always had the facts cold.. most of the time the morons that though being union was great and could not be touched were the easiest to fire..

Where the hell have you worked? I'd like to put my resume in so I can teach them how to run a business. See, there's this thing called at-will employment. You can fire anyone for anything or no reason at all. Union employees are protected against at-will employment due to union contract negotiations. At-will employees, you can terminate..."at-will".

DERP.

Starting to think you've never spent a day in the workforce in your entire life.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Seriously anyone following along needs to read the above outrageous lies..............and realize who we are dealing with here.

Republican douche...........

Not a lie in that statement..

I do not lie about things like that.

I do not have to..

I know what happens in negotiations I also know the tough talk they bring back to the working class because for the most part they are dumb enough to believe it..

as for me I'm a registered Democrat.. have been for decades.. does not mean I vote straight ticket like you do..

one of my friends is a Democrat State rep..

the best you have is calling me a Republican douche typical commentary from some one like you..

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Listen up asswipe, ever heard of a prospectus. ??

I am a shareholder and those numbers are bull****...............just like you.

well then explain how those number got reported i legit newspapers or financial journals..

someone just make those numbers up..

I quoted the sources..

IF they are not factual why is AA in bankruptcy?

ANYONE that clicks on the sources will figure out fast who is telling the truth..

Or maybe who knows more about it..

I have backed up each piece or comment with a url of a legit source..

night night

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Where the hell have you worked? I'd like to put my resume in so I can teach them how to run a business. See, there's this thing called at-will employment. You can fire anyone for anything or no reason at all. Union employees are protected against at-will employment due to union contract negotiations. At-will employees, you can terminate..."at-will".

DERP.

Starting to think you've never spent a day in the workforce in your entire life.

Dude is a ****ty used car/car repair salesman. Well, was -- until he couldn't manage his business and it went under.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Not a lie in that statement..

I do not lie about things like that.

I do not have to..

I know what happens in negotiations I also know the tough talk they bring back to the working class because for the most part they are dumb enough to believe it..

as for me I'm a registered Democrat.. have been for decades.. does not mean I vote straight ticket like you do..

one of my friends is a Democrat State rep..

the best you have is calling me a Republican douche typical commentary from some one like you..

this is too much. The guy who is anti-union, pro-life, and ultra-religious is a registered Democrat.

My ass.

And I was born in a manger to a virgin.

what a ****ing fool you are.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Yep. He called unions blood suckers, then claimed he never said they were the problem. When I called him out on it, he clammed up and just basically said "well I believe what I believe, and I'm right." Again, with no proof. But what do you expect from someone who wears a little yellow helmet on his way to his job taking tickets at the zoo.

now that is not entirely true..

here is the chain of posts..

Originally Posted by houghtam

So would you care to revise your statement that you don't think it's labor or unions' fault then? Because it sure seems to me they are the only ones you're blaming. At least then you'll only be incorrect, instead of being incorrect and a liar.

Originally Posted by lonestar

no think what you want.. I know what I know.. in this case AA was handled horribly for very long time with fat cat contracts that they could not possibly sustain.. Especially in todays market..

I also know that they would not have been granted bankruptcy if it was not true..

.

I hi-lighted the important parts since you did not get past "think what you want to think.".

I have also in many of my post said AA had other problems such as fuel, competing in markets with low cost airlines, old equipment (airplanes) and bad airport contracts..

But the major reason stated by the courts when they were granted bankruptcy was high labor costs since IIRC they are the second major expense on the ledger sheet NOW since fuel took over the top spot a few years ago..

So good try in not quoting me properly.. but anyone reading my posts with Jetmeck can plainly see that I have stated facts about AA and backed them up with quotes from actual financial periodicals or newspapers.. in some cases Reuters news agency..

so night night I have wasted enough time on this as it is..

Clearly you or Jetmeck are not rational about AA in bankruptcy..

[Requiem]

Lonestar go to bed.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by houghtam

this is too much. The guy who is anti-union, pro-life, and ultra-religious is a registered Democrat.

My ass.

And I was born in a manger to a virgin.

what a ****ing fool you are.

so sorry that you feel the need to call names..

But I know lots of folks as hi-lighted above..

Not everyone in the Democratic party is a nut job.. there are lots of rel logical people in it..

Sorry to burst your bubble..

and I guess I need to pray to your father to reign you in a bit if you are who you say you are.. you my friend are out of control..

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Dude is a ****ty used car/car repair salesman. Well, was -- until he couldn't manage his business and it went under.

Because his employees kept taking advantage of him. "You know, I go into work everyday and don't do ****, and I overheard my boss saying he couldn't fire me because he didn't have clearly defined boundaries.

Meanwhile, people like me have fired countless employees because (and I quote), "it's just not a good fit." That's held up in unemployment hearings 100% of the time.

Seriously, I'd like to know where this douchnozzle has worked (if he's ever worked) so they can see what real management candidates look like.

[Requiem]

He was an unsuccessful businessman. Let's just put it that way. Dude couldn't sell dope to a crack fiend.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Requiem

He was an unsuccessful businessman. Let's just put it that way. Dude couldn't sell dope to a crack fiend.

Hmmm, no I'm thinking foreign exchange student with a less-than-ideal grasp of the English language and only a loose grip on reality.

...at-will employees harder to discipline than union employees. Whew, that was a good one.

[lonestar]

American Airlines flight 443 has been grounded at Kennedy Airport, officials sayAn American Airlines flight headed to Miami had to return to Kennedy Airport Monday after some of the seats became loose on the plane, the second such incident on an American Airlines plane since the weekend.

American Airlines Flight 443 left Kennedy Airport at 7:11 a.m. and returned to the gate at 8:18 a.m., officials say. A second plane arrived to take the passengers to their destination, ultimately leaving JFK at 11:04 a.m. and landing in Miami at 2:19 p.m...

more at http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...172157101.html

let me add the news media in NYC Wabc 7 are speculating that it was sabotage of some sort..

both planes had been in for schedule maintenance not to long ago..

Both planes were Boeings 757s. The 757s that American operates in the United States have 22 first-class seats and 166 in economy.

The company said it has flown in engineers, tech crew chiefs and inspectors from its Tulsa maintenance base to New York to evaluate eight other Boeing 757s that may have the same seat

now the picture of the plane in the article is not a 757 but an MD 80 series..

[lonestar]

NOT AA

but still pertinent.. since AA is 10 billion in the hole for its pension funds..

The union said it was doing its due diligence and understood the seriousness of the pension shortfall.

"The current deficit - under normal funding requirements - has reached a level that threatens Air Canada's survival," the union said in a statement.

Air Canada's pension deficit stood at CAD$4.2 billion (USD$4.27 billion) as of January 1, largely because of extraordinarily low interest rates, and is widely viewed as an existential threat if the company were forced to fund the plan under normal rules.

[lonestar]

more on the AA seats issue..

"These things can kill an airline," said George Hobica, founder of travel website airfarewatchdog.com. "With a delay or cancellation, you're sitting on the ground. (With loose seats) if the plane hits turbulence, people go flying."

Henry Harteveldt, a travel industry analyst in San Francisco, said that if travelers perceive maintenance to be lax, "passengers will start booking away from American Airlines in droves. This is very serious stuff."

[lonestar]

American Air parent AMR loses $82M in August
Posted on September 27, 2012
FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) — American Airlines parent AMR Corp. said Thursday that it lost $82 million in August, the tail end of the key summer travel season.
The figures don't include results for the rash of delayed and canceled flights that began in early September .

AMR ended August with $5.15 billion in cash and short-term investments including restricted amounts..

more at

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-...-82m-in-august

[Requiem]

TLDR!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[lonestar]

American Loses Bid To Block Union Vote
October 3, 2012


American Airlines lost a court battle in its effort to block a union election vote by nearly 10,000 passenger service agents.

Wednesday's decision by the 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans came amid a separate dispute between the airline's 8,000 pilots and its parent company, AMR. The pilots are expected to approve a strike later this week.

read more at..
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1349308346.html

if the pilots strike this company is in deep trouble..

management at this point can not sign contracts without the Judges approval.. which means the judge that voided the pilots contract will be the one that has to approve it which also means he almost has to negotiate it....

in essence means the Pilots may destroy the airline, if they do in fact do strike..

[lonestar]

American, Pilots Resume Contract Talks
October 4, 2012
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American Airlines and its pilots union resumed contract talks on Wednesday, but other problems continued to beset the bankrupt carrier.

A cockpit warning light caused an American flight to return to an airport shortly after takeoff on Tuesday, while a court said a union organizing drive at the airline could go forward and flight delays brought more customer complaints.

"I will never ride on American Airlines ever again," said Tony Palm, who was stranded when a connecting flight on American from Chicago to New York's LaGuardia airport was cancelled last month.

Palm, a recruiter for a small military contractor who lives in northern Virginia, said he had to wait three hours but eventually was able to get to New York on a flight with United Airlines.

Palm's frustration was shared by a growing number of customers who have suffered as the airline's on-time performance has dropped in recent weeks.

"American has delayed close to 2 million people in the last couple of weeks, and they've cancelled flights for 150,000 people," said Blake Fleetwood, president of CookTravel, an online travel agency. "That has an effect."

Fleetwood said some passengers have asked to be booked away from American Airlines flights. It's unclear how widespread the concern is, but postings on Twitter gave some idea of the concerns.

"Every single American Airlines flight out of Las Vegas is delayed!" said one tweet. "Dear American Airlines: Thanks for changing my flight without telling me. I know you don't agree, but some of us have schedules we try to keep," said another.

"American Airlines now charging passengers a USD$35 unbolted seat fee," joked a third.

see more at..

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1349353712.html

[lonestar]

American To Secure Seats On 48 Planes
October 5, 2012


American Airlines warned of some flight delays and cancellations while it works to secure the seats on 48 of its Boeing 757 planes after some seats came loose earlier this week.

The company said on Thursday that it expects the enhancement of locking mechanisms used to secure the seats to aircraft floors to be completed by Saturday.

American said it is working with the US Federal Aviation Administration to resolve the issue, which started last Saturday after a row of seats came loose during a flight.

The flight delays follow a litany of disruptions at the airline, which is also grappling with staff unrest. American's pilots were expected to vote to approve a strike this week.
The average age of American's 757 fleet is 17 years, according to the company

read more at

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1349447143.html

[lonestar]

American, Pilots Await Contract Ruling
October 10, 2012

The judge overseeing American Airlines' bankruptcy declined to rule on a pilots' appeal to preserve their old agreement, meaning the airline can continue making work changes while the two sides continue contract talks.

US Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane ruled last month that the airline could reject the previous agreement, which had been under negotiation since 2006.

At a hearing on Tuesday, Judge Lane declined to rule on the union's motion to suspend and did not set a date for a ruling on the issue.

AMR has been in bankruptcy since November, and through that process aims to find cost savings the airline says it needs to survive.



http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1349867849.html

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by lonestar

American, Pilots Await Contract Ruling
October 10, 2012

The judge overseeing American Airlines' bankruptcy declined to rule on a pilots' appeal to preserve their old agreement, meaning the airline can continue making work changes while the two sides continue contract talks.

US Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane ruled last month that the airline could reject the previous agreement, which had been under negotiation since 2006.

At a hearing on Tuesday, Judge Lane declined to rule on the union's motion to suspend and did not set a date for a ruling on the issue.

AMR has been in bankruptcy since November, and through that process aims to find cost savings the airline says it needs to survive.



http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1349867849.html

Great news for a non union whore such as yourself. Get busy spanking off.