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Old 10-09-2012, 03:19 PM   #101
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Well he's almost halfway there and only 10 people in NFL history have hit 90 receiving TDs, so we'll just have to see.
We'll see.

But Im betting good money he has 2 good years left where you really have to account for him, then his production will fall off the map.

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Old 10-09-2012, 03:35 PM   #102
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I don't think I agree with that. Owens was far more consistent, TO only played 9 more games than Moss but basically has an All-pro seasons worth of catches and yards over him. Moss was explosive as hell, the ultimate deep threat. I'd say TO was the better all around receiver though. Not by a lot, but he never seemed like he was stealing money from teams like Moss did in Oakland, the end of his time in NE, Tennesee, and now SF (burning up the season with those 9 catches in 2012 so far).

at the same age as Moss is now TO had 1000 yard season and 10 TDs
TO has played 12 more games than Moss. TO had fewer seasons with 1400 yards, fewer with 1300 yards, fewer with 1200 yards, fewer with 1000 yards. Moss had more seasons with 10+ TDs than Owens.

But then Moss never ruined any teams - so far TO has left San Fransisco, Philadelphia and Dallas in shambles.
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I take his fumble this week if that's what we need for those kinds of catch and runs.

The Pats DB got a lucky poke on the ball before Thomas had time to secure it. That's the only reason Thomas wasn't in the end zone.

His fumbles will normalize with time. He's the biggest playmaker on our offense. He's vital to this teams' future success.
not so sure he would have scored instead of poking the ball out he could have tried to tackle him.. he was close enough..

but the book is out on DT he drops the ball if hit right.. so the strip was what they tried to do..

That is an area that he is going have to fix himself.. NO option but to fix it..
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TO has played 12 more games than Moss. TO had fewer seasons with 1400 yards, fewer with 1300 yards, fewer with 1200 yards, fewer with 1000 yards. Moss had more seasons with 10+ TDs than Owens.

But then Moss never ruined any teams - so far TO has left San Fransisco, Philadelphia and Dallas in shambles.
Dennis Erikson ruined the 49ers, that guy is a disaster. TO helped put Philly in the superbowl and Dallas had winning seasons every year TO was there AND the year after he left.

I'm sure the "Randy Ratio" was great for teams.

Yards per game TO has 72.8 for a career, Moss has 72.3 and that will be continue to dip because he has been a disaster for 3 straight years now. TO at least had a 72 catch 983 yard 9TD season to finish his career (at 2 years OLDER than Moss).

TO gets blamed for way too much ****, not many came to play on Sunday like he did.
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Dennis Erikson ruined the 49ers, that guy is a disaster. TO helped put Philly in the superbowl and Dallas had winning seasons every year TO was there AND the year after he left.

I'm sure the "Randy Ratio" was great for teams.

Yards per game TO has 72.8 for a career, Moss has 72.3 and that will be continue to dip because he has been a disaster for 3 straight years now. TO at least had a 72 catch 983 yard 9TD season to finish his career (at 2 years OLDER than Moss).

TO gets blamed for way too much ****, not many came to play on Sunday like he did.
TO also never had to play for Oakland
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TO also never had to play for Oakland
That's almost more of a praise for Moss. He basically wasted two years in the prime of his career being ignored by Purple Drank Giant and he's still finishing toward the top in most receiving statistics.
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That's almost more of a praise for Moss. He basically wasted two years in the prime of his career being ignored by Purple Drank Giant and he's still finishing toward the top in most receiving statistics.
Let's not forget Josh McCown and Andrew ****ing Walter.
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TO also never had to play for Oakland
and TO never got to play with Brady.
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Marshall is technically a 4.57
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...yers/2846.html

DT didn't run in the combine, but at his pro-day I think he did a 4.39
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2010&genpos=wr
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and TO never got to play with Brady.
TO spent more time with Steve Young than Moss did with Brady

And Jeff Garcia, Romo and McNabb-Prime were far better than Culpepper or any of Moss's other "QBs" (using the term VERY loosely). The ave quality of QBing for the 2 players is drastically different.

Checkmate.
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Marshall is technically a 4.57
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...yers/2846.html

DT didn't run in the combine, but at his pro-day I think he did a 4.39
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2010&genpos=wr
Marshall ran a 4.52 at the combine and didnt run at his pro-day, so that random 4.57 is odd to claim "technically" on...

And AGAIN, Demaryius didnt run at the combine OR his proday. His foot was broken, remember? The only one to claim Demaryius has run sub 4.4 is his agent. Imagine that.
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TO spent more time with Steve Young than Moss did with Brady

And Jeff Garcia, Romo and McNabb-Prime were far better than Culpepper or any of Moss's other "QBs" (using the term VERY loosely). The ave quality of QBing for the 2 players is drastically different.

Checkmate.
3 Years with Young = to 3 years with Brady....maybe. Cunningham was no joke of a QB though, and Culpepper's career may have taken a dive but he was a 3 time pro bowler in Minnesota. TO also had Palmer after he got ****ty and All-pro Fitzpatrick in Buffalo. Pretty much a wash in QB talents.

Speaking of All pro...I do believe TO was named All-pro 5 times to Moss' 4. Of course Moss still has a chance for another one since he is playing lights out.
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3 Years with Young = to 3 years with Brady....maybe. Cunningham was no joke of a QB though, and Culpepper's career may have taken a dive but he was a 3 time pro bowler in Minnesota. TO also had Palmer after he got ****ty and All-pro Fitzpatrick in Buffalo. Pretty much a wash in QB talents.

Speaking of All pro...I do believe TO was named All-pro 5 times to Moss' 4. Of course Moss still has a chance for another one since he is playing lights out.
Culpepper: 3x probowler... because he threw it to Randy 3/5 pass plays ("Randy ratio")

Don't forget, his career ended IMMEDIATELY after Moss left his side.

Comparing Palmer and Fitzpatrick to Walter, McCown and Jamarcus is nothing shy of absurd.

And judging from your All-Pro logic, Woodson is better than Bailey?
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Culpepper: 3x probowler... because he threw it to Randy 3/5 pass plays ("Randy ratio")

Don't forget, his career ended IMMEDIATELY after Moss left his side.

Comparing Palmer and Fitzpatrick to Walter, McCown and Jamarcus is nothing shy of absurd.

And judging from your All-Pro logic, Woodson is better than Bailey?
If that was the case, then why didn't Moss elevate the Play of Walter, Mccown and Jamarcus as well? Did he suddenly become a lesser receiver or was Culpepper better than he's given credit for?

I don't want to discredit the ability Moss had, that's not my point. My point is that if I were putting together a team and had to pick one of those guys, I'd pick TO, because I know for sure that I am getting 100% every play.

I love champ, and don't want to get away from topic, but Both Woodson and Champ are all time greats and are close enough that an argument could be made that Woodson is better. I woudn't argue it, as I prefer Champ, but it wouldn't be a ridiculous stance to take.


Oh yeah: and I never once said TO was "Better," only that he is more consistent. Not too far fetched considering one guy takes plays off, the other doesn't. Moss easily had the most actual talent.

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^ He DID elevate all their play. Hell, even Kerry Collins had one of his top statistical seasons due to Moss... IN OAKLAND.
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^ He DID elevate all their play. Hell, even Kerry Collins had one of his top statistical seasons due to Moss... IN OAKLAND.
A bit of a reach to call that elevating his play when Collins had better seasons before AND after playing with Moss, while not even being significantly more productive than Jerry Porter.
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Marshall ran a 4.52 at the combine and didnt run at his pro-day, so that random 4.57 is odd to claim "technically" on...

And AGAIN, Demaryius didnt run at the combine OR his proday. His foot was broken, remember? The only one to claim Demaryius has run sub 4.4 is his agent. Imagine that.
I dont know what either's numbers are.

But I've not seen Marshall ever sprint away from a secondary like DT. Not saying it hasn't happened, I just don't recall ever thinking Marshall was a fast guy. Big, powerful, difficult to bring down, but not fast. DT seems faster to me.
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I dont know what either's numbers are.

But I've not seen Marshall ever sprint away from a secondary like DT. Not saying it hasn't happened, I just don't recall ever thinking Marshall was a fast guy. Big, powerful, difficult to bring down, but not fast. DT seems faster to me.
Ya.. he definitely doesn't have that second gear that DT does.

I was thinking he separated more on this play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nmDNnvErn4

That's just pure power running tho.

Also: I forgot just how bad that throw was. Shoulda been picked.
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Marshall ran a 4.52 at the combine and didnt run at his pro-day, so that random 4.57 is odd to claim "technically" on...

And AGAIN, Demaryius didnt run at the combine OR his proday. His foot was broken, remember? The only one to claim Demaryius has run sub 4.4 is his agent. Imagine that.
Actual numbers (or lack thereof) aside, it's hard to argue that DT isn't notably faster on the field than Marshall.
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