But.... I thought Tebow was the problem.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

Which impact FAs came to Denver after signing Manning? Caldwell? Dreesen? Tamme? Jason Hunter? Bannan? Stokely? Florence? Anthony Perkins?

Help me out here. where is the FA acquisition that doesn't happen without Manning? Which of these blockbuster, all pro players looked at their opportunities and said, "yeah, Manning is where I wanna go?"

The answer is none of them because anybody of any caliber signed elsewhere while Peyton was tugging his taffy for two weeks. Solid move for a guy who clearly has time on his side.

Who did the Jets sign after trading for Tebow.. NO ONE.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Who did the Jets sign after trading for Tebow.. NO ONE.

Again, your obsession with Tebow. Nice deflection though.

You asserted that FAs came to Denver because we inked Manning and I called bull**** and clearly you don't disagree.

The real question here is, what are you going to do with yourself without Tebow?

[Broncoman13]

RaiderH8tr is pwning on this thread... Some of y'all look silly.

As for turnovers... Gotta have one or the other, terrific 3rd down defense or the ability to generate turnovers. We have neither and thus below .500.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

Again, your obsession with Tebow. Nice deflection though.

You asserted that FAs came to Denver because we inked Manning and I called bull**** and clearly you don't disagree.

The real question here is, what are you going to do with yourself without Tebow?

Dumb poster says dumb things. Lets go over what was said again.

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

because he isn't Tebow. People forget that just getting rid of Tebow allowed FAs to come to Denver to help improve the team. If we kept Tebow and didn't sign Manning we have like 60 million dollars in cap room right now.

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

Which impact FAs came to Denver after signing Manning? Caldwell? Dreesen? Tamme? Jason Hunter? Bannan? Stokely? Florence? Anthony Perkins?

Help me out here. where is the FA acquisition that doesn't happen without Manning? Which of these blockbuster, all pro players looked at their opportunities and said, "yeah, Manning is where I wanna go?"

The answer is none of them because anybody of any caliber signed elsewhere while Peyton was tugging his taffy for two weeks. Solid move for a guy who clearly has time on his side.

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Who did the Jets sign after trading for Tebow.. NO ONE.

How was what I said originally about Manning bringing in FA's and no one wanting to play with Tebow not made clear in my first post about this? Jets signed NO ONE with any sort of worth after Tebow. You are so dumb. Deflection my ass you proved my point. Keep trying.

[errand]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

Which impact FAs came to Denver after signing Manning? Caldwell? Dreesen? Tamme? Jason Hunter? Bannan? Stokely? Florence? Anthony Perkins?

Help me out here. where is the FA acquisition that doesn't happen without Manning? Which of these blockbuster, all pro players looked at their opportunities and said, "yeah, Manning is where I wanna go?"

The answer is none of them because anybody of any caliber signed elsewhere while Peyton was tugging his taffy for two weeks. Solid move for a guy who clearly has time on his side.

What other free agent could have improved this team as much as Manning himself?

Mario Williams? b**** please! He's not doing a lot in Buffalo...he's got 1.5 sacks total on pace for a 4.5 sack season...who else would've improved this team without Manning as our QB?

Manning has 11 TD's in 5 games, that's just one less than Tebow had in 11 games, and only 9 fewer than our entire team had all of last season. He's on pace to throw for 4822 yards 35 TD's and only 10 INT's. Now I'm not saying you're stupid if you think that signing him alone hasn't improved this team immensely, but wouldn't you have to be?

Tamme, Stokely and Dreesen are on pace to catch a collective 150 total passes for 1404 yards and 19 TD's. Add in the defensive signings of Porter who sealed one of our wins, and Adams who's on pace for 109 tackles.

Now if you honestly think that these three guys would have signed with us had Manning not been here, and that they would be producing those kind of numbers with Tebow as our QB, well then I don't know what to tell you. but i know it can't be fixed.

[DBroncos4life]

So lets see Denver signed Tracy Porter starting CB, third WR in Stokley, and two pretty good TE's. How about the Jets?

[menonite]

Originally Posted by errand

and your analogy is confusing

Let's try again. Lets say you have an important speech to make. And you want to look your best. So you go to buy a suit. You find an awesome looking blue shirt...but you're not sure blue is really your color. You buy it anyway. Well now you are going to need some pants to go with that shirt, but you are so worried about that "blue" thing that you decide to by another shirt just in case. It's pretty plain and costs a bit and it doesn't really fit but someday you may lose some weight and it will look great on you.

Now you're broke and your standing in front of an auditorium full of people with no pants because you spent all of your money on a second shirt that you will never be able to squeeze your hairy moobs into. . On the bright side the blue shirt looks awesome. On the other hand, it totally clashes with your balls.


I can't make it any clearer than that.

[errand]

Originally Posted by menonite

Let's try again. Lets say you have an important speech to make. And you want to look your best. So you go to buy a suit. You find an awesome looking blue shirt...but you're not sure blue is really your color. You buy it anyway. Well now you are going to need some pants to go with that shirt, but you are so worried about that "blue" thing that you decide to by another shirt just in case. It's pretty plain and costs a bit and it doesn't really fit but someday you may lose some weight and it will look great on you.

Now you're broke and your standing in front of an auditorium full of people with no pants because you spent all of your money on a second shirt that you will never be able to squeeze your hairy moobs into. . On the bright side the blue shirt looks awesome. On the other hand, it totally clashes with your balls.


I can't make it any clearer than that.

But that's not what happened....we went from having arguably the worst passer in the NFL as our QB to one of the all time greats. Look at the numbers offensively for this team against some pretty damn good competition.

Manning on pace for 4822 yards and 35 TD's....our two starting TE's and new 3rd WR on pace to nab 150 passes for 1404 yards and 19 TD's to go with McGahee on pace for 1203 yards rushing yards ad 10 TD's. Add in Decker and Thomas looking to snare 186 passes too for 2739 yards and 13 TD's combined.

How you can even seriously think this team isn't better is beyond me.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by errand

But that's not what happened....we went from having arguably the worst passer in the NFL as our QB to one of the all time greats. Look at the numbers offensively for this team against some pretty damn good competition.

Manning on pace for 4822 yards and 35 TD's....our two starting TE's and new 3rd WR on pace to nab 150 passes for 1404 yards and 19 TD's to go with McGahee on pace for 1203 yards rushing yards ad 10 TD's. Add in Decker and Thomas looking to snare 186 passes too for 2739 yards and 13 TD's combined.

How you can even seriously think this team isn't better is beyond me.

It's clear you either aren't reading what he says, or you don't understand basic analogies. (awesome, btw, really enjoy menonite's work here )

But no matter what anyone says, you always end up on the "you thought we were better with Tebow at QB" line. Virtually no one has ever said that.

[menonite]

Originally Posted by errand

But that's not what happened....we went from having arguably the worst passer in the NFL as our QB to one of the all time greats. Look at the numbers offensively for this team against some pretty damn good competition.

Manning on pace for 4822 yards and 35 TD's....our two starting TE's and new 3rd WR on pace to nab 150 passes for 1404 yards and 19 TD's to go with McGahee on pace for 1203 yards rushing yards ad 10 TD's. Add in Decker and Thomas looking to snare 186 passes too for 2739 yards and 13 TD's combined.

How you can even seriously think this team isn't better is beyond me.

For the last time. I will go through this step by step. Slowly.

The expensive shirt represents Manning. The pigeon is Belichick. The Horse is the current CBA. And your balls represent America's foreign policy as it pertains to the far east in the late 1970's.

How can you not understand this? Are you just jerking my chain or something?

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

So lets see Denver signed Tracy Porter starting CB, third WR in Stokley, and two pretty good TE's. How about the Jets?

So none of these guys come here without Manning? Really? Porter plays D, Stokley was out of the league last year, and Tamme and Dreesen were pretty blockbuster pickups. Stunned the league.

I don't really pay attention to the Jets as much as you. I am sure you can give me the run down. right now they are on pace for a 2-3 record too but I don't really give a **** about that one way or the other.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by errand

But that's not what happened....we went from having arguably the worst passer in the NFL as our QB to one of the all time greats. Look at the numbers offensively for this team against some pretty damn good competition.

Manning on pace for 4822 yards and 35 TD's....our two starting TE's and new 3rd WR on pace to nab 150 passes for 1404 yards and 19 TD's to go with McGahee on pace for 1203 yards rushing yards ad 10 TD's. Add in Decker and Thomas looking to snare 186 passes too for 2739 yards and 13 TD's combined.

How you can even seriously think this team isn't better is beyond me.

Sweet. This will win us the Fantasy Lombardi for sure! Lock. It. Up. Do we have to keep Denver's D or can we plug a different one into this fantasy club you've concocted? Is this a PPR league? Can we plug in Colston? He had a monster day.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

So none of these guys come here without Manning? Really? Porter plays D, Stokley was out of the league last year, and Tamme and Dreesen were pretty blockbuster pickups. Stunned the league.

I don't really pay attention to the Jets as much as you. I am sure you can give me the run down. right now they are on pace for a 2-3 record too but I don't really give a **** about that one way or the other.

None sign with TEBOW here that is the issue. Stokley started the year and got hurt.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

None sign with TEBOW here that is the issue. Stokley started the year and got hurt.

I bet if Tebow stayed John Elway would have quit and Bowlen would have bulldozed the stadium and moved the team to LA. Tim Tebow is the suckiest suck that ever sucked.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

I bet if Tebow stayed John Elway would have quit and Bowlen would have bulldozed the stadium and moved the team to LA. Tim Tebow is the suckiest suck that ever sucked.

He can't beat out Orton or Sanchez so you are right.

[errand]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

It's clear you either aren't reading what he says, or you don't understand basic analogies. (awesome, btw, really enjoy menonite's work here )

But no matter what anyone says, you always end up on the "you thought we were better with Tebow at QB" line. Virtually no one has ever said that.

you did....you wanted Tebow over Manning remember? that statement alone says you thought this team would be just as good if not better if we would have stood pat with Ollie instead of going after Jimmy Chitwood because Ollie won a playoff game.

You are of the mind set that had we spent money on defense instead of Manning we would've have been better long term....never once thinking that perhaps Tebow sucks as a QB and our offense would again lead the NFL in 3 and outs.

[errand]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

Sweet. This will win us the Fantasy Lombardi for sure! Lock. It. Up. Do we have to keep Denver's D or can we plug a different one into this fantasy club you've concocted? Is this a PPR league? Can we plug in Colston? He had a monster day.

...2.4 million comedians out of work and you're trying to be funny.

No dumbass, I'm pointing out that this team will be one of the teams nobody wants to face after the bye week....but feel free to keep thinking we didn't improve the team by signing Manning.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by errand

you did....you wanted Tebow over Manning remember? that statement alone says you thought this team would be just as good if not better if we would have stood pat with Ollie instead of going after Jimmy Chitwood because Ollie won a playoff game.

We would've been better with Brett Favre too. Would you have wanted to bring him in? No?

You're missing the point. You really should've figured this out by now.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

So none of these guys come here without Manning? Really? Porter plays D, Stokley was out of the league last year, and Tamme and Dreesen were pretty blockbuster pickups. Stunned the league.

They signed Brandon off of his Denver couch. No way that happens without Manning Magic!

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by errand

...2.4 million comedians out of work and you're trying to be funny.

No dumbass, I'm pointing out that this team will be one of the teams nobody wants to face after the bye week....but feel free to keep thinking we didn't improve the team by signing Manning.

If Tebow stayed we would have had to replace the line and WR's because he made them so ****ing bad they didn't look like they belonged in the NFL. Turns out it's the other way around.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by errand

...2.4 million comedians out of work and you're trying to be funny.

No dumbass, I'm pointing out that this team will be one of the teams nobody wants to face after the bye week....but feel free to keep thinking we didn't improve the team by signing Manning.

Seriously. The fantasy football idea actually does more to address getting our D off the field on third down than our real club has done in quote some time. Kudos for outside the box thinking.

[errand]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

So none of these guys come here without Manning? Really? Porter plays D, Stokley was out of the league last year, and Tamme and Dreesen were pretty blockbuster pickups. Stunned the league.

Maybe we sign Porter and Adams....but you seriously think that pass catching guys like Stokely and Tamme, and a decent 2nd TE like Dreesen would seriously have signed here if Tebow was still our starting QB?

Our starting TE's caught all of 30 passes combined last season....10 of them came in the first 4 games....20 of them came over the final 12 games. So no way those two TE's who have improved our offense in 2012 would have signed here if Tebow was still our starter.

[errand]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

We would've been better with Brett Favre too. Would you have wanted to bring him in? No?

You're missing the point. You really should've figured this out by now.

I understand what he's trying to say...we spent money on Manning and drafted his replacement vs. keeping Tebow, and drafting say Lavonte or some other defensive player.

My point is that Manning alone has improved this team immensely...and the numbers bear this out. Sure we're 2-3, but we've been in every game despite falling behind early in our 3 losses. Turnovers hurt us in them, but this team can hang with anyone right now despite our problems....

[errand]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

Seriously. The fantasy football idea actually does more to address getting our D off the field on third down than our real club has done in quote some time. Kudos for outside the box thinking.

so please enlighten us on which free agent signings we could have landed had we stood pat at the QB position that would have seriously improved this team....

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by errand

I understand what he's trying to say...we spent money on Manning and drafted his replacement vs. keeping Tebow, and drafting say Lavonte or some other defensive player.

So why did you pull the tired old "you thought we were better without Manning" strawman?

You're a one-trick pony. Which is pretty sad from a guy who rode Neckbeard's jock longer than his wife. Seriously, even she thought it was Tebow Time.