3rd downs. - The Orange Mane

Quoydogs · 10-08-2012, 12:01 PM

So what the hell do we have to do to fix this problem ? Our Defense couldn't stop a Turtle from making it 15 yards on a 3rd down this year.

So to all of you smart bastards on here, "The football guru's " how do we fix this ?

It has to be the LB's right ?

want2bAbronco2 · 10-08-2012, 12:12 PM

It's a combination of many things (IMO).

#1 thing, people seem to forget this is the first year of a new D (for the 7th year in a row.) It takes a few years to learn/get people in place for a system. We have changed systems for 7 straight years. We had Champ as our only good player on D, now we have a few.

We have a new QB, 2nd year coach, and new system. Same as D, it takes years to get on same page/know system inside and out. If our O drives longer and scores more we keep D off the field. They don't get exhausted, and play better.

Look at our first 5 games, how many big plays did we give up because Mays, Porter, Moore, etc.. were out of position. You can't play 4 of the best QBs (4 of the best offenses too) in the game and play out of position. We have the toughest schedule in the NFL. If we can stay 4 and 4 or 3 and 4 we are in good shape. Team will grow/play better 2nd half as they learn/comfort improves.

Players:

Mike needs a big upgrade. I actually think Mays has played a lot better this year, but he isn't good enough to cover up lack of pass rush. We have to rush Von and Doom..to get any pressure. That takes away 2 above average cover LBs. If we had a killer DT, that would help so much.

Need DT or to to push/rush QB. When you get killed for 200 yards rushing that opens up the pass game. Stop the rushing makes them 1 dimensional. Plus pass rush, see above Mike.

We need more Cover CBs/LBs, (the 3 teams that killed us on 3rd down, Atlanta, NE, and Pit..all have 2 good WRs and 1-2 good TEs. Don't have enough to cover them.)

again, just imo.

LRtagger · 10-08-2012, 12:14 PM

Get LBs who can cover and maintain gap discipline
Get DLineman who can get pressure without having to bring a blitz
Get Joe Mays off the field

Quoydogs · 10-08-2012, 12:24 PM

So is there anything that can be done this year. I understand what you are saying about time to gel but do we just buckle down and except the fact it's going to be a long season.

We seem to be great on 1st and 2nd but loose it on 3rd every time. It also seems to be getting worse.

TheReverend · 10-08-2012, 12:26 PM

People won't like the answer.

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Chant along

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Drunken.Broncoholic · 10-08-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

People won't like the answer.

DJ?

These 3rd and longs ended up in 31 points twice. Offense is getting a bit better. They need to get more than 31 points better to fix this defense I think.

Play2win · 10-08-2012, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReverend

People won't like the answer.

People don't like you.

rbackfactory80 · 10-08-2012, 01:08 PM

Who the hell are all you people with new names?

ZONA · 10-08-2012, 01:12 PM

I don't know that these problems can be fixed with coaching. Some of it, yeah, probably. But some of these 3rd and 17's, 3rd and 20's, it shouldn't matter what frickin defense you're in. Somebody make a frickin play. That's what it comes down to and we don't have enough Von Millers out there to get that done it seems.

Seriously, if Miller is not in this game, it's a blowout for the Pats, probably 45 to 21. But I will, for the millionth time, say that Mays is a huge weakness on this team and I so much want to get on Fox for continuing to play this guy but the guys behind him suck as well.

I have NO doubt that #1 goal for Elway this offseason is to both draft LB's and try to acquire a big time LB FA. No doubt.

TheReverend · 10-08-2012, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drunk idiot kicker

People don't like you.

Dude, you're worthless. That's the best you've got? This and b****ing to Khan about posting a pic for a response?

jerseyboiler120 · 10-08-2012, 01:16 PM

Need a tackling clinic. Got sick and tired of watching small, slow, somewhat dim-witted white boys run through us like paper machet.

barryr · 10-08-2012, 01:35 PM

The Bronco defense for years it seems has been either bad in stopping 3rd down conversions or so bad that the other team rarely faced 3rd downs since they got such large chunks of yards on 1st and 2nd downs. Other than Miller, the Broncos have little talent at LB.

Cito Pelon · 10-08-2012, 01:58 PM

Solution? Probably better LB's, safeties, and DT's. Denver is at the top of the League in 3rd downs allowed at 47%. There isn't much they can do this year except score more points on O and get DJ back to hopefully make some plays.

Quoydogs · 10-08-2012, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barryr

The Bronco defense for years it seems has been either bad in stopping 3rd down conversions or so bad that the other team rarely faced 3rd downs since they got such large chunks of yards on 1st and 2nd downs. Other than Miller, the Broncos have little talent at LB.

Is there a place to find or does anyone have the defensive stats for 3rd downs for this game ??

Smiling Assassin27 · 10-08-2012, 02:02 PM

Sneak some of our guys into the 49ers off-season high school defense camp.

lonestar · 10-08-2012, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoydogs

So what the hell do we have to do to fix this problem ? Our Defense couldn't stop a Turtle from making it 15 yards on a 3rd down this year.

So to all of you smart bastards on here, "The football guru's " how do we fix this ?

It has to be the LB's right ?

A drama queen, are you?

Cito Pelon · 10-08-2012, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoydogs

Is there a place to find or does anyone have the defensive stats for 3rd downs for this game ??

CBS, ESPN, NFl.com can provide you, but you don't want to get too depressed reading them. Hell, NE had 89 O plays and only 17 3rd down situations. NE was 11/17 on those third downs, but they had 89 O plays, which is a ridiculously high number. They made the first down long before they faced a third down most of the time.

jerseyboiler120 · 10-08-2012, 02:54 PM

I think the pats are still on that first drive of theirs. Last I heard they converted a 3rd and 45 on an off tackle run by woodhead's baby boy.

DBroncos4life · 10-08-2012, 03:02 PM

Make a trade that is how we get a better MLB this year.

Cito Pelon · 10-08-2012, 03:08 PM

Denver's D faced five 3rd and 10 plus yesterday, NE converted 4 of them. Ouch.

Cito Pelon · 10-08-2012, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Make a trade that is how we get a better MLB this year.

Hell man, put DJ in at MLB after he's back. That's probably the best thing they can do.

go_broncos · 10-08-2012, 03:18 PM

Joe Mays - He is one of the main reason that the defense is horrible.

lonestar · 10-08-2012, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Hell man, put DJ in at MLB after he's back. That's probably the best thing they can do.

stop the bromance he is no better that WW has been the past couple of years..

in fact worse in the number of tackles last year..

Code:

Career Stats 
Season	Team	Games	Tackles	Interceptions	Fumbles
                      G	GS	Total	Solo	Ast	Sck	SFTY	PDef	Int	Yds	Avg	Lng	TDs	FF	FR
WW
2012 	DEN 	5 	4 	37 	25 	12 	2.0 	-- 	1 	1 	7 	-- 	7 	0 	0 	--
2011 	DEN 	15 	7 	97 	67 	30 	0.0 	-- 	2 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	2 	--
Dumb Jock..
2011 	DEN 	13 	13 	90 	70 	20 	5.0 	-- 	2 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	3 	1

why does everyone want this moron back on the field he is not better than WW..

in 6 less starts last year WW numbers are as good as DJ's are..

CEH · 10-08-2012, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZONA

I don't know that these problems can be fixed with coaching. Some of it, yeah, probably. But some of these 3rd and 17's, 3rd and 20's, it shouldn't matter what frickin defense you're in. Somebody make a frickin play. That's what it comes down to and we don't have enough Von Millers out there to get that done it seems.

Seriously, if Miller is not in this game, it's a blowout for the Pats, probably 45 to 21. But I will, for the millionth time, say that Mays is a huge weakness on this team and I so much want to get on Fox for continuing to play this guy but the guys behind him suck as well.

I have NO doubt that #1 goal for Elway this offseason is to both draft LB's and try to acquire a big time LB FA. No doubt.

It's plain and simple. Besides Von and CHamp see BOLD

10-08-2012, 12:12 PM	#2
want2bAbronco2 Pro Bowler Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 618	It's a combination of many things (IMO). #1 thing, people seem to forget this is the first year of a new D (for the 7th year in a row.) It takes a few years to learn/get people in place for a system. We have changed systems for 7 straight years. We had Champ as our only good player on D, now we have a few. We have a new QB, 2nd year coach, and new system. Same as D, it takes years to get on same page/know system inside and out. If our O drives longer and scores more we keep D off the field. They don't get exhausted, and play better. Look at our first 5 games, how many big plays did we give up because Mays, Porter, Moore, etc.. were out of position. You can't play 4 of the best QBs (4 of the best offenses too) in the game and play out of position. We have the toughest schedule in the NFL. If we can stay 4 and 4 or 3 and 4 we are in good shape. Team will grow/play better 2nd half as they learn/comfort improves. Players: Mike needs a big upgrade. I actually think Mays has played a lot better this year, but he isn't good enough to cover up lack of pass rush. We have to rush Von and Doom..to get any pressure. That takes away 2 above average cover LBs. If we had a killer DT, that would help so much. Need DT or to to push/rush QB. When you get killed for 200 yards rushing that opens up the pass game. Stop the rushing makes them 1 dimensional. Plus pass rush, see above Mike. We need more Cover CBs/LBs, (the 3 teams that killed us on 3rd down, Atlanta, NE, and Pit..all have 2 good WRs and 1-2 good TEs. Don't have enough to cover them.) again, just imo. Last edited by want2bAbronco2; 10-08-2012 at 12:16 PM..

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10-08-2012, 12:01 PM	#1
Quoydogs Who's gonna be next? I'm too stupid to put an avatar up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Portland OR Posts: 2,504 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	3rd downs. So what the hell do we have to do to fix this problem ? Our Defense couldn't stop a Turtle from making it 15 yards on a 3rd down this year. So to all of you smart bastards on here, "The football guru's " how do we fix this ? It has to be the LB's right ?

10-08-2012, 12:24 PM	#4
Quoydogs Who's gonna be next? I'm too stupid to put an avatar up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Portland OR Posts: 2,504 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	So is there anything that can be done this year. I understand what you are saying about time to gel but do we just buckle down and except the fact it's going to be a long season. We seem to be great on 1st and 2nd but loose it on 3rd every time. It also seems to be getting worse.

10-08-2012, 12:26 PM	#5
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 33,012 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	People won't like the answer.

10-08-2012, 12:40 PM	#6
rbackfactory80 Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Posts: 4,614	Dj Dj Dj DJ DJ DJ DJ DJDJDJDJDJDJDJDJDJDJDJDJDDJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ Chant along problem fixed//// /thread http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&c...r:3,s:26,i:234 lol

10-08-2012, 01:08 PM	#9
rbackfactory80 Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Posts: 4,614	Who the hell are all you people with new names?

10-08-2012, 01:12 PM	#10
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,383 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	I don't know that these problems can be fixed with coaching. Some of it, yeah, probably. But some of these 3rd and 17's, 3rd and 20's, it shouldn't matter what frickin defense you're in. Somebody make a frickin play. That's what it comes down to and we don't have enough Von Millers out there to get that done it seems. Seriously, if Miller is not in this game, it's a blowout for the Pats, probably 45 to 21. But I will, for the millionth time, say that Mays is a huge weakness on this team and I so much want to get on Fox for continuing to play this guy but the guys behind him suck as well. I have NO doubt that #1 goal for Elway this offseason is to both draft LB's and try to acquire a big time LB FA. No doubt.

10-08-2012, 01:16 PM	#12
jerseyboiler120 Seasoned Veteran New to the Forum Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 304 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Need a tackling clinic. Got sick and tired of watching small, slow, somewhat dim-witted white boys run through us like paper machet.

10-08-2012, 01:35 PM	#13
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,267 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	The Bronco defense for years it seems has been either bad in stopping 3rd down conversions or so bad that the other team rarely faced 3rd downs since they got such large chunks of yards on 1st and 2nd downs. Other than Miller, the Broncos have little talent at LB.

10-08-2012, 01:58 PM	#14
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,194 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	Solution? Probably better LB's, safeties, and DT's. Denver is at the top of the League in 3rd downs allowed at 47%. There isn't much they can do this year except score more points on O and get DJ back to hopefully make some plays.

10-08-2012, 02:02 PM	#16
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 10,978 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Sneak some of our guys into the 49ers off-season high school defense camp.

10-08-2012, 02:54 PM	#19
jerseyboiler120 Seasoned Veteran New to the Forum Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 304 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I think the pats are still on that first drive of theirs. Last I heard they converted a 3rd and 45 on an off tackle run by woodhead's baby boy.

10-08-2012, 03:02 PM	#20
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,558	Make a trade that is how we get a better MLB this year.

10-08-2012, 03:08 PM	#21
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,194 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	Denver's D faced five 3rd and 10 plus yesterday, NE converted 4 of them. Ouch.

10-08-2012, 03:18 PM	#23
go_broncos Ring of Famer **** you Bill Vinovich Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 5,219 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	Joe Mays - He is one of the main reason that the defense is horrible.