McGahee's performance unforgivable? - Page 4 - The Orange Mane

baja · 10-07-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Houshyamama

Alligators don't drink coffee? Not sure, wish me luck I'm going in.

TECHNICALLY SPEAKING YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY WAIT UNTIL A HUMAN DRINKS THE COFFEE THAN THEY EAT THE HUMAN.

winstoncup bronco · 10-07-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by errand

Really...all we've heard is how Manning is the new Orton and how he was clueless......and how we never should have signed him because of his salary, etc.

where do you honestly think that reasoning comes from? It comes from alleged Broncos fans being butthurt because their boy is gone.....

No. I personally was against signing him because I felt we weren't just a Peyton Manning away, and that the roster needed to upgraded majorly before we make a splash signing like this.

I think people are okay with losing like this because we're filling up the stat sheet offensively, and that makes them feel good. The rest of the roster is nowhere near the level it needs to be for Manning to get another Super Bowl.

Gort · 10-07-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by winstoncup bronco

How are we in every one of those games when we spot the other team 20+?

I'm getting tired of this absolving phenomenon where we can take solace that we go down 20 and manage to lose by less, because we're losing to good teams. I thought we were suppsoed to be a good team this year? What matters is who wins, not being good enough to just lose.

you can't be a playoff team if you can't beat playoff teams. that's what it boils down to. so far, we're 0-3, or maybe 1-3 if Pissburgh pulls their season out of the crapper, against teams highly likely to make the playoffs.

i don't think anybody plays this game for moral victories. some of the members of this site seem to think they do. moral victories are for teams like Cleveland and Buffalo. we shouldn't be content with those in Denver.

however, i don't think 2012 is our year anyway, so i'm not too upset about today's outcome. these are the kinds of games we need to win next year when i expect us to put in a serious effort at a SB run.

Houshyamama · 10-07-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

TECHNICALLY SPEAKING YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY WAIT UNTIL A HUMAN DRINKS THE COFFEE THAN THEY EAT THE HUMAN.

Is that like a coffee cake for them? Plz rspnd!

Requiem · 10-07-2012, 05:05 PM

You aren't going to win games when you turn the ball over inside the opponents 30 like McGahee and Demaryius did. You also aren't going to win games when teams convert 5+ 3rd and Forever opportunities (one being a rush, which was pathetic). We can't hold onto the ball and we don't force many turnovers either. Teams having 80+ yard drives on the regular for us really puts our offense up against the wall. Despite their mistakes on O, they have made some games competitive.

I'm not worried about the offense long term, but the defense has to improve a big deal.

ILB, WOLB, DE (Dumervil can't be a full-time guy anymore, he just gets crushed on screens and runs) DT, and DB are all needs. ALL OF THEM.

Houshyamama · 10-07-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

You aren't going to win games when you turn the ball over inside the opponents 30 like McGahee and Demaryius did. You also aren't going to win games when teams convert 5+ 3rd and Forever opportunities (one being a rush, which was pathetic). We can't hold onto the ball and we don't force many turnovers either. Teams having 80+ yard drives on the regular for us really puts our offense up against the wall. Despite their mistakes on O, they have made some games competitive.

I'm not worried about the offense long term, but the defense has to improve a big deal.

ILB, WOLB, DE (Dumervil can't be a full-time guy anymore, he just gets crushed on screens and runs) DT, and DB are all needs. ALL OF THEM.

Those 2 Woodhead 3rd down conversions were morale crushing plays. Absolutely painful to watch.

winstoncup bronco · 10-07-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Because, last time i checked, we got in our own way 3 games. Here's the deal, in each game we were down, its not like we played perfect football only to just come up short. Against ATL and HOU, we were in the position to get the ball back with ample amounts of time and only down by a score. Our D couldnt get off the field on third down. This game? McGahee drops a 4th down pass and fumbles at the ten. Hell, you just take that fumble away, and we're in the SAME position.

Thats not out of the game. Thats in the ****ing game.

Whatever the case is, good teams don't routinely go down 20+ points, and I don't care how close or how many 'if onlys' we throw out there, this is not a good team. There's a reason we outscore teams when we go down 20, instead of when we start the game. What would that reason be?

baja · 10-07-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Houshyamama

Is that like a coffee cake for them? Plz rspnd!

SOMETIMES IT A TWINKLE SOMETIMES ITS A BOWL OF SHIIT DEPENDS ON THE HUMAN.

Gort · 10-07-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by errand

Being down 31-7 with about 4 minutes in 3rd qtr isn't garbage time...being down by the same score with about 4 minutes in 4th qtr is....

We were within 10 points, and driving downfield in 4th qtr and McGahee made two horrendous mistakes.....neither his turnovers or Manning's stats came in garbage time....they came against a talented team that has made better teams than ours look worse.

here's a working definition for you...

garbage time is whenever the other team's defense assumes you are passing on every down and they play a soft zone to prevent any long plays.

garbage time is whenever you are in 4th down and anything greater than 1 yard and you seriously consider going for it.

garbage time is whenever you send out your team to try an onside kick.

garbage time is when you are spiking or throwing away the ball or insturcting receivers to get out of bounds immediately after making the catch to save precious seconds on the clock.

all of that happened today.

Houshyamama · 10-07-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

SOMETIMES IT A TWINKLE SOMETIMES ITS A BOWL OF SHIIT DEPENDS ON THE HUMAN.

I think this conversation has run its course.

baja · 10-07-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Houshyamama

Is that like a coffee cake for them? Plz rspnd!

HAVE WE MADE THE THREAD LESS STUPID YET?

Gort · 10-07-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

clearly its not, you ****ing idiot

you have a potty mouth.

do you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?

errand · 10-07-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Gort

you can't be a playoff team if you can't beat playoff teams.

2011 Broncos say Hi!

SonOfLe-loLang · 10-07-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gort

here's a working definition for you...

garbage time is whenever the other team's defense assumes you are passing on every down and they play a soft zone to prevent any long plays.

garbage time is whenever you are in 4th down and anything greater than 1 yard and you seriously consider going for it.

garbage time is whenever you send out your team to try an onside kick.

garbage time is when you are spiking or throwing away the ball or insturcting receivers to get out of bounds immediately after making the catch to save precious seconds on the clock.

all of that happened today.

Did it? Because i think our longest downfield pass plays came in "garbage time"

"Garbage time" is when youre down so much, the lead is insurmountable. Backups come in during garbage time.

The fact that we fought back EVERY loss proves it was not "garbage time."

SonOfLe-loLang · 10-07-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gort

you have a potty mouth.

do you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?

OOOOH BURN

SonOfLe-loLang · 10-07-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by winstoncup bronco

Whatever the case is, good teams don't routinely go down 20+ points, and I don't care how close or how many 'if onlys' we throw out there, this is not a good team. There's a reason we outscore teams when we go down 20, instead of when we start the game. What would that reason be?

Im going to agree to disagree.

You can easily make the case we lost to 3 of the top 5 teams in the league. We arent a "great team," but we aren't a "bad team" either.

Gort · 10-07-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Did it? Because i think our longest downfield pass plays came in "garbage time"

"Garbage time" is when youre down so much, the lead is insurmountable. Backups come in during garbage time.

The fact that we fought back EVERY loss proves it was not "garbage time."

garbage time quite literally means that QB stats are garbage because they are padded during a point in the game where the defense is allowing just about everything except the deep plays because they have a large lead and are simply trying to run out the clock for the win.

the Pats were done 31-7. at that point, they just wanted to run out the clock and not give up any big plays to the Broncos.

that is garbage time. you can still comeback and win during garbage time, but it happens rarely.

should i count how many of NE's plays were running plays after the score was 31-7? or how many of our plays were passing plays after that point? if it was 75%+ running for NE and 75%+ passing for us, would you concede the point and admit that you are wrong?

Rolandftw · 10-07-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

i dont think this would shock anyone...but id rather go 3-3

Next week is winnable. This would have been a pretty big upset in my opinion. NE is pretty damn good.

Yeah, it's winnable... but we don't usually sweep San Diego, and we're going to be pretty desperate especially if San Diego wins tonight

Gort · 10-07-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Im going to agree to disagree.

You can easily make the case we lost to 3 of the top 5 teams in the league. We arent a "great team," but we aren't a "bad team" either.

who is arguing that we are a bad team? Oakland and KC are bad teams. those guys will go 5-11 or 6-10. this Broncos team will be 7-9 or 8-8 or maybe 9-7. that's not a bad team. it's not a great team. we got manhandled by 3 great teams this year. we beat 1 bad team. and we beat 1 mediocre team (Pissburgh) who is just like us.

Rolandftw · 10-07-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gort

who is arguing that we are a bad team? Oakland and KC are bad teams. those guys will go 5-11 or 6-10. this Broncos team will be 7-9 or 8-8 or maybe 9-7. that's not a bad team. it's not a great team. we got manhandled by 3 great teams this year. we beat 1 bad team. and we beat 1 mediocre team (Pissburgh) who is just like us.

Yeah, but this was the roughest part of our schedule. Other then maybe Baltimore, we don't play another "great" team the rest of the way.

errand · 10-07-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gort

here's a working definition for you...

garbage time is whenever the other team's defense assumes you are passing on every down and they play a soft zone to prevent any long plays.

garbage time is whenever you are in 4th down and anything greater than 1 yard and you seriously consider going for it.

garbage time is whenever you send out your team to try an onside kick.

garbage time is when you are spiking or throwing away the ball or insturcting receivers to get out of bounds immediately after making the catch to save precious seconds on the clock.

all of that happened today.

Umm, garbage time is when the opposing teams has the game so far out of reach nothing, not even recovering an onside kick is gonna make a difference.

If playing a soft zone meant garbage time, I guess the Drive vs. Browns in AFC title bout was garbage time....

If trying an onside kick meant garbage time, then your boy's comeback vs. dolphins last season was garbage time

If spiking the ball and running out of bounds to save precious time means garbage time, then half of Elway's (and every other QB's) comebacks came during garbage time....

My God you're stupid.......

Perspective for you.....Tim Dwight's KO return for TD and Falcons scoring last minute TD when score was 31-6 midway thru 4th qtr in SBXXXII was garbage time.... Today's offense did not face garbage time

menonite · 10-07-2012, 05:23 PM

Exactly. The goal of "Plan A" was apparently mediocrity and an early playoff loss are the best that can be hoped for.

*Pay no attention to me. I'm bitter.*

SonOfLe-loLang · 10-07-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gort

garbage time quite literally means that QB stats are garbage because they are padded during a point in the game where the defense is allowing just about everything except the deep plays because they have a large lead and are simply trying to run out the clock for the win.

the Pats were done 31-7. at that point, they just wanted to run out the clock and not give up any big plays to the Broncos.

that is garbage time. you can still comeback and win during garbage time, but it happens rarely.

should i count how many of NE's plays were running plays after the score was 31-7? or how many of our plays were passing plays after that point? if it was 75%+ running for NE and 75%+ passing for us, would you concede the point and admit that you are wrong?

We're going to have to agree to disagree here.

1) we got BIG plays against them in "garbage time."

2) It can only be garbage time if a lead is INSURMOUNTABLE. Its not like we played perfect football JUST to fall short. Then id agree with you. We shot ourselves in the foot TWICE when we had a chance in this game. Its not "garbage time," its not "stat padded" time, and at no point did NE really back off from what they are doing.

3) NE was running on us ALL ****ING GAME. Also, their 4th and 5 call where Woodyard got a sack. Yeah, real "garbage time" call.
I'll never agree with you because i dont think you're even close to right.

go_broncos · 10-07-2012, 05:25 PM

Mcgahee fumbles a lot.
Better start Hillman..

Rolandftw · 10-07-2012, 05:25 PM

I think all fans can agree that Denver needs to but more points on the board Quarters 1-3. Our playcalling is so conservative, it's baffling.

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10-07-2012, 05:05 PM	#80
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,869 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	You aren't going to win games when you turn the ball over inside the opponents 30 like McGahee and Demaryius did. You also aren't going to win games when teams convert 5+ 3rd and Forever opportunities (one being a rush, which was pathetic). We can't hold onto the ball and we don't force many turnovers either. Teams having 80+ yard drives on the regular for us really puts our offense up against the wall. Despite their mistakes on O, they have made some games competitive. I'm not worried about the offense long term, but the defense has to improve a big deal. ILB, WOLB, DE (Dumervil can't be a full-time guy anymore, he just gets crushed on screens and runs) DT, and DB are all needs. ALL OF THEM.

10-07-2012, 05:23 PM	#97
menonite Pro Bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 535 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Exactly. The goal of "Plan A" was apparently mediocrity and an early playoff loss are the best that can be hoped for. Pay no attention to me. I'm bitter.

10-07-2012, 05:25 PM	#99
go_broncos Ring of Famer **** you Bill Vinovich Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 5,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	Mcgahee fumbles a lot. Better start Hillman..

10-07-2012, 05:25 PM	#100
Rolandftw Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,155 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	I think all fans can agree that Denver needs to but more points on the board Quarters 1-3. Our playcalling is so conservative, it's baffling.