Style over substance.....yeah

[Jetmeck]

He won the style debate but lost the facts and math debate............................................ ......


Every deduction known to man will not equal the 5 trillion that a-hole wants to give out on top of the 1 trillion in Bush era tax cuts.

It will raise my taxes and a lot of others to pay for the rich people's tax cuts.


Where do you righties think he will get another 2 trillion for defense we don't need when we are winding down two wars ?


Are you guys this thick that stuff that don't add up is ok and trillions of dollars in tax cuts that the middle class will pay for with a tax increase and medicare and etc cut to the bone is the way to go ?


You rant about spending but you clueless ****s will vote for this guy ? Really go ahead stupid and vote a tax increase on the middle class, the rich ****s will trickle down, oh wait it hasn't happened the last ten years.....DOH !

[bpc]

Spin spin spin.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by bpc

Spin spin spin.

start calling him/her Maytag..

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by lonestar

start calling him/her Maytag..

If it is spin just one of you deflectors tell us all how the 5-6 trillion in tax cuts and two trillion defense spending is paid for and how we the middle class will not be paying for it ?

Independent studies have said the math doesn't add up ?

You guys are calling me a spinner, then answer up if you can ?

I am sorry but Mr. Romney's word is chit considering the video tape and flip flopping we have on record for him.

Please inform us all ?

We are waiting ?

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by bpc

Spin spin spin.

You got nothing and you know it.

Style over substance..........I take the math !

[Missouribronc]

Where are the $4 trillion in spending cuts Obama claimed last night?

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Where are the $4 trillion in spending cuts Obama claimed last night?

whoops!!!!!!

[SoCalBronco]

You could tell Romney had practiced very hard and had put serious work into preparation, bullet points, analogies etc. so that he could create the appearance of being polished. Obama was a little sluggish and yes, a common criticism is he gets too detailed and too "professorial". I actually like wonkish stuff and don't mind what may seem like a too analytical approach in monotone. I agree with the administration that a balanced approach in solving the deficit issues is most reasonable. Several of the President's other points were well nuanced and appreciated. The 2.50 in cuts for every dollar in taxes is not unreasonable at all (the idea that we could force 10 to 1 ratio, or 100% cuts lacks insight into reality, that could never pass, you go for something that is mostly spending cuts but provides some revenues, and 100% deficit reduction in the form of only spending cuts would be a little too devastating to too many programs). However, Obama has to have the courage to touch the SS and Medicare rail and from his comments, he's still resisting it. I give Romney credit for being open about it, yes we wont touch 55 and over, but there will be changes made to the younger generation. He didn't shy away from it and I liked that. Alot. Most of the rest of Romney's performance I didn't care for. Don't tell me your plan isnt to cut 5T in taxes, tell me exactly what it is. How do you make it revenue neutral with the deductions and credits? Don't repeat the same thing over and over.

I did appreciate that at times in the debate Romney seemed more open to Bowles-Simpson and I think he gave some signals that he if he wins the election, he'll back a slightly more politically palatable version of Bowles-Simpson in the Congress, rather than his current proposals. He came across as more pragmatic than before, which I appreciated, but he is still hiding the ball on specifics, evasive and I still think his tax plan is not responsible and he rarely gives any detailed quality ideas.

My view of things did not change too much. I agree with Obama on taxes in general and his position as to Romney's tax plans as irresponsible, but I agree with Romney on making serious structural changes to Medicare, streamlining and consolidating federal programs and departments and putting a more exacting test on federal spending in general (I liked that discussion alot). Each guy offers only half of the equation. If Romney can continue to give more positive signals about Bowles-Simpson rather than his current tax proposals, he'll firm up my support, which is still iffy.

I remain as I was before. If 10 was a hardcore certain Romney voter and 1 was a hardcore certain Obama voter, I am at a 6....slightly in Romney's direction, but only ever so slightly. If Ryan wasn't the #2 (and there wasn't a commitment to rein in SS/Med), I'd probably be at a 4. There remains a very decent possibility that I won't vote for either ticket.

[nyuk nyuk]

Poor Obama needs semi-literate forum posters to help him!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^

Looks like the end zone dances are a bit premature for DramaQueen and his Teabilly pals...

Just as expected...

Romney gains after debate ... with Republicans (Obama with independents)

READ it here: http://bit.ly/Svcxub

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Poor Obama needs semi-literate forum posters to help him!

Dude...as usual you shouldn't go there. The only people you are communicating anything to is the mentally impaired.

You wouldn't know the truth if it was attached to the end of a 2x4..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Where are the $4 trillion in spending cuts Obama claimed last night?

Center on Budget and Policy Priorities -- $3.8 trillion over 10 years.
The president is counting money saved by letting the Bush tax cuts expire for people making more than $250,000 a year.
But he's also counting on savings already agreed to last year when the White House and Congress agreed to raise the debt ceiling.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

You could tell Romney had practiced very hard and had put serious work into preparation, bullet points, analogies etc. so that he could create the appearance of being polished. Obama was a little sluggish and yes, a common criticism is he gets too detailed and too "professorial". I actually like wonkish stuff and don't mind what may seem like a too analytical approach in monotone. I agree with the administration that a balanced approach in solving the deficit issues is most reasonable. Several of the President's other points were well nuanced and appreciated. The 2.50 in cuts for every dollar in taxes is not unreasonable at all (the idea that we could force 10 to 1 ratio, or 100% cuts lacks insight into reality, that could never pass, you go for something that is mostly spending cuts but provides some revenues, and 100% deficit reduction in the form of only spending cuts would be a little too devastating to too many programs). However, Obama has to have the courage to touch the SS and Medicare rail and from his comments, he's still resisting it. I give Romney credit for being open about it, yes we wont touch 55 and over, but there will be changes made to the younger generation. He didn't shy away from it and I liked that. Alot. Most of the rest of Romney's performance I didn't care for. Don't tell me your plan isnt to cut 5T in taxes, tell me exactly what it is. How do you make it revenue neutral with the deductions and credits? Don't repeat the same thing over and over.

I did appreciate that at times in the debate Romney seemed more open to Bowles-Simpson and I think he gave some signals that he if he wins the election, he'll back a slightly more politically palatable version of Bowles-Simpson in the Congress, rather than his current proposals. He came across as more pragmatic than before, which I appreciated, but he is still hiding the ball on specifics, evasive and I still think his tax plan is not responsible and he rarely gives any detailed quality ideas.

My view of things did not change too much. I agree with Obama on taxes in general and his position as to Romney's tax plans as irresponsible, but I agree with Romney on making serious structural changes to Medicare, streamlining and consolidating federal programs and departments and putting a more exacting test on federal spending in general (I liked that discussion alot). Each guy offers only half of the equation. If Romney can continue to give more positive signals about Bowles-Simpson rather than his current tax proposals, he'll firm up my support, which is still iffy.

I remain as I was before. If 10 was a hardcore certain Romney voter and 1 was a hardcore certain Obama voter, I am at a 6....slightly in Romney's direction, but only ever so slightly. If Ryan wasn't the #2 (and there wasn't a commitment to rein in SS/Med), I'd probably be at a 4. There remains a very decent possibility that I won't vote for either ticket.

Politicians from both sides of the aisle stole $2.8 trillion from Social Security. This was money an entire generation had paid into the system. The money was stolen to pay for tax cuts for the rich, among other things. And now you support these politicians putting the burden of making up for that thievery on the backs of those who were robbed, rather than those who benefited from the robbery? What kind of ethics is that?

[maher_tyler]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Where are the $4 trillion in spending cuts Obama claimed last night?

Military/Defense...ending the war in Afghanistan.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Dude...as usual you shouldn't go there. The only people you are communicating anything to is the mentally impaired.

You wouldn't know the truth if it was attached to the end of a 2x4..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

One, I'm not a dude. Secondly, if you think my posts are of the level of mental impairment, then you should be able to rebut them without throwing insults and abusing your comma key.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

^

Looks like the end zone dances are a bit premature for DramaQueen and his Teabilly pals...

Just as expected...

Stupidity is taking anything from Daily Kos seriously.

Left-leaning media that disagree :

First post-debate poll shows Romney closing the gap on Obama

Romney gains ground on Obama after strong debate

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Stupidity is taking anything from Daily Kos seriously.

Left-leaning media that disagree :

First post-debate poll shows Romney closing the gap on Obama

Romney gains ground on Obama after strong debate

Sounds like you didn't read the first article.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

One, I'm not a dude. Secondly, if you think my posts are of the level of mental impairment, then you should be able to rebut them without throwing insults and abusing your comma key.

Funny chit...............why have you never once answered the 5 trillion in new tax cuts on top of one trillion in bush tax cuts and 2 trillion in defense spending ?

It don't add up. We the middle class will have to pay for this BS we do not need................every tax deduction on the planet could be delted and it would not be revenue neutral and guess what middle class taxes will go up ?

Debate or shut up ?

Don't accuse me of BS you been doing forever around here...........like calling polls wrong and job numbers wrong and then throwing out BS like ReV Wright.

Your avatar is disrespectful and just wrong. That BIATCH would have never done that to a white PREZ.............he is our prez and deserves the respect of that office ? What part of this is difficult for you people to understand.

Dbate your boy's biggest financial point as stated above or shut up....................

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Funny chit...............why have you never once answered the 5 trillion in new tax cuts on top of one trillion in bush tax cuts and 2 trillion in defense spending ?

It don't add up. We the middle class will have to pay for this BS we do not need................every tax deduction on the planet could be delted and it would not be revenue neutral and guess what middle class taxes will go up ?

Debate or shut up ?

Don't accuse me of BS you been doing forever around here...........like calling polls wrong and job numbers wrong and then throwing out BS like ReV Wright.

And as usual, you go offtopic to your pet peeves if you can't answer a point about the topic of the thread with this tangential nonsense even while you accuse others of deflecting.

Your avatar is disrespectful and just wrong. That BIATCH would have never done that to a white PREZ.............he is our prez and deserves the respect of that office ? What part of this is difficult for you people to understand.

Dbate your boy's biggest financial point as stated above or shut up....................

And I'm sure you and yours referred to GW Bush respectfully as your president. Funny I noticed a shortage of such liberals during the Bush years back when the website bushorchimp.com was all the rage.

Obama deserves disrespect. Bush deserved disrespect. They defile the office.

And no I will not shut up.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Sounds like you didn't read the first article.

I don't read the Daily Kos.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

And as usual, you go offtopic to your pet peeves if you can't answer a point about the topic of the thread with this tangential nonsense even while you accuse others of deflecting.




And I'm sure you and yours referred to GW Bush respectfully as your president. Funny I noticed a shortage of such liberals during the Bush years back when the website bushorchimp.com was all the rage.

Obama deserves disrespect. Bush deserved disrespect. They defile the office.

And no I will not shut up.

Then add up 8 trillion in tax cuts and defense and understand it can't be revenue neutral unless we the middle cLASS PAY for it and shove up your backside ?

That work for ya since you cannot answer to it EVERY TIME I HAVE BROUGHT IT UP.??


tALKIN CHIT ABOUT EVERY PREZ HAS AlWAYS HAPPENED BUT YOU ARE DEFENDING THAT biatch WAGGING HER FINGER IN HIS FACE....MUCH DIFFERENT BUT YOU WILL NEVER ADMIT.

yOU ARE a lost cause.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

I don't read the Daily Kos.

I was referring to the Guardian article.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Sounds like you didn't read the first article.

Notice how EpicDramaNyukFTW ignores the part about Thurston gaining with rethugs while Obama gains with independents after debate.

According to this pinhead's reasoning, it couldn't be true if it was mentioned on KOS.

[Requiem]

Romney seems awfully concerned about the prospect of raising taxes on the Wal-Mart's and Apple's of the world. Golly gee whiz.

[lonestar]

Ah a trifecta of cartoon or moronic posts..

probably stroking each other since they are not getting any action anywhere else..