Will You Watch the Debate Tonight?

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by Requiem

@ the notion of Paul Ryan being able to rag doll Biden. Biden is going to wipe his ass with that Ayn Rand loving puke.

Yeah, and Obama was gonna wipe the floor with Romney too, huh?

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

Yeah, and Obama was gonna wipe the floor with Romney too, huh?

Keep choking the chicken that Romney is actually going to win a month from now!

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

Yeah, and Obama was gonna wipe the floor with Romney too, huh?

The problem for Ryan is that he made his name as a radical right-wing deficit hawk (oddly, given the fact that his bill would not have balanced the budget for 42 years, and that assuming an absurd 2% unemployment rate). With Romney pivoting back to the center, Ryan is not going to go on national TV and contradict the top of the ticket. So, what's Ryan's value here? He can't espouse the views that made him popular with the Tea Party, so what can he do but go out and contradict his previous views and pretend to be a centrist just like Romney is doing?

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Keep choking the chicken that Romney is actually going to win a month from now!

If he does I can't wait for your new tramp stamp.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

If he does I can't wait for your new tramp stamp.

The Bible is against tattoos. Can't do it. I was born again last Tuesday.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Biden is going to wipe his ass with that Ayn Rand loving puke.

I hope you're right but there's reason for concern here. Ryan is a snake and a practiced liar. As Romney proved last night honesty isn't a requirement to "win" a debate. You just have to look and sound more convincing and confident.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by Requiem

@ the notion of Paul Ryan being able to rag doll Biden. Biden is going to wipe his ass with that Ayn Rand loving puke.

I like Biden, I think he's a funny guy. He has a likeability factor among the average joes.

That being said though, he's not going against Palin this time. Ryan is more wonky and gets into specifics. Ryan needs to come across as appealing and not sound too wonky.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

With Romney pivoting back to the center, Ryan is not going to go on national TV and contradict the top of the ticket.

Will be interesting to see how they navigate this. But the electorate in general is so low information that Ryan can probably swing way back to the right and get away with it unless Biden specifically calls him on it during the debate.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by Requiem

The Bible is against tattoos. Can't do it. I was born again last Tuesday.

Interesting. I must notify all my Christian friends then.

It's ok. I'll make sure to remind you with visual evidence of your bet.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by pricejj

...the unraveling world-scene due to misguided U.S. foreign policy, and to portray strength while condemning nuclear proliferation...

See post #65.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

The problem for Ryan is that he made his name as a radical right-wing deficit hawk (oddly, given the fact that his bill would not have balanced the budget for 42 years, and that assuming an absurd 2% unemployment rate). With Romney pivoting back to the center, Ryan is not going to go on national TV and contradict the top of the ticket. So, what's Ryan's value here? He can't espouse the views that made him popular with the Tea Party, so what can he do but go out and contradict his previous views and pretend to be a centrist just like Romney is doing?

He will attack Obama's policies on spending, budget, and his jobs record. It will be interesting to see how Biden defends the administration's record. He can't have gaffe's like "middle class has been buried the last four years".

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Will be interesting to see how they navigate this. But the electorate in general is so low information that Ryan can probably swing way back to the right and get away with it unless Biden specifically calls him on it during the debate.

If you've noticed, though, from the moment Ryan got the nomination he has been trying to distance himself from his status as a right-wing demagogue. He completely pivoted on the Medicare issue, for instance. In any case, a far right-wing approach isn't going to do anything but hurt with independents, so I fully expect the same populist approach we saw from Romney.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by 24champ

He will attack Obama's policies on spending, budget, and his jobs record. It will be interesting to see how Biden defends the administration's record. He can't have gaffe's like "middle class has been buried the last four years".

That's half the reason to watch the VP debate. Can't wait to see what Joe says.

Obamas gonna be all like

[bronco militia]

Al Gore blames Denver altitude for Obama debate performance



Al Gore thinks that the altitude in Denver, Colo., is to blame for President Obama’s lackluster debate performance.

During post-debate analysis on Current TV which is still an actual television channel taking up airspace, the former vice president postured that the thin air could have messed with Obama’s brain cells.

“I’m going to say something controversial here. Obama arrived in Denver at 2:00 p.m. today, just a few hours before the debate started,” Gore said. “Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet and you only have a few hours to adjust — I don’t know, maybe … [inaudible].”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/al...#ixzz28Lpooe7i

[houghtam]

I love how everyone is spinning this. The only reason Obama didn't "win" (whatever that means) is because he was unable or unwilling to call out Romney on his BS. He called for specifics several times, and Romney never answered. That is the moderator's fault.

And the best. The best! Is the righties who think Romney "won". If you think that's the case, you're no better than that stupid woman with the Obamaphone. Obama didn't give her a phone, and Romney didn't tell you what he was going to do as president. You're still stuck with "well whatever it is, it's better than Obama", and that's not going to get it done, no matter how you twist the facts.

[TonyR]

Good stuff from Ezra Klein:

Obama aside, the question the debates raised is which Romney voters will be choosing if they mark his name on the ballot. The Romney who endorsed the House Republican budget and chose its author as his running mate? Or the Romney who seemed to have no use for the Ryan budget and barely mentioned his running mate? The Romney who wants to cut $7 trillion from the budget over the next decade? Or the Romney who won’t name any spending cuts beyond PBS? The Romney who says he wants to give every state the opportunity to do what Massachusetts did in health care, which would mean handing over quite a bit in federal funding to fund those efforts, just as the federal government funded Massachusetts’ efforts? Or the Romney whose health-care plan spans less than 400 words and includes no plausible mechanisms by which other states could copy Massachusetts’ success? The Romney who talks movingly of bipartisan compromise? Or the Romney who says he wouldn’t accept a $1 in tax increases even if paired with $10 in spending cuts?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss_ezra-klein

(emphasis mine)

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by houghtam

The only reason Obama didn't "win" (whatever that means) is because he was unable or unwilling to call out Romney on his BS.

On that note...

Romney won the debate in no small part because he adopted a policy of simply lying about his policies. Probably the best way to understand Obama’s listless performance is that he was prepared to debate the claims Romney has been making for the entire campaign, and Romney switched up and started making different and utterly bogus ones. Obama, perhaps, was not prepared for that, and he certainly didn’t think quickly enough on his feet to adjust to it.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10...lan-lying.html

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by TonyR

On that note...

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10...lan-lying.html

Exactly. In a debate class in college, we were debating Megan's Law and sex offender rolls. I felt awful for a girl who had prepared just like the rest of us, planning on her opponent arguing the same points that everyone else argued, and then her opponent came out with a "new plan" to round up all sex offenders in Wyoming, build a wall and forget about them.

Guy got an F for having a stupid idea unsupported by facts or laws. Girl got an F for standing on the stage with her jaw on the floor and not being able to form a coherent response.



I also always LOVE the fall back argument of "let's give the states the right to"...Why is that always the answer? In the case of education, for example, it's an issue that affects our entire country. Why should someone born in Mississippi have a disadvantage in education to someone born in Massachusetts, just because Mississippi can't get their **** together? It affects all of us.

And here's a clue. Take a guess which states do most poorly in education? Take a guess which states most want to "give the states the right to"?

Education isn't about states' rights. It's about education.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

Interesting. I must notify all my Christian friends then.

It's ok. I'll make sure to remind you with visual evidence of your bet.

Romans 14 or Leviticus 19. Take your pick.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by bronco militia

Al Gore blames Denver altitude for Obama debate performance



Al Gore thinks that the altitude in Denver, Colo., is to blame for President Obama’s lackluster debate performance.

During post-debate analysis on Current TV which is still an actual television channel taking up airspace, the former vice president postured that the thin air could have messed with Obama’s brain cells.

“I’m going to say something controversial here. Obama arrived in Denver at 2:00 p.m. today, just a few hours before the debate started,” Gore said. “Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet and you only have a few hours to adjust — I don’t know, maybe … [inaudible].”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/al...#ixzz28Lpooe7i

to think this moron could have been president.. what a goofy mother ****er he is..

[Kid A]

Originally Posted by TonyR

I hope you're right but there's reason for concern here. Ryan is a snake and a practiced liar. As Romney proved last night honesty isn't a requirement to "win" a debate. You just have to look and sound more convincing and confident.

Ryan's an amazing bull**** artist. I've read people saying Biden is good at debates, but it has been a while since he was called to. The debate with Palin wasn't much of one, as he basically just played the gentleman nice and avoiding being seen attacking a woman who had already proven how unqualified she was at that point. Don't remember much about his performances in the Dem primaries, but those were all larger panels as opposed to head to head.