Wed. night it's all over..............

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Broncojef

Or maybe you actually heard the truth for the first time and you have an explaination why Obama couldn't look at Mitt and had his ass handed to him....

You lost any credibility on "truth" you might have had when you referred to all of the major TV networks as "state run media."

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

How is that "iggy" thing working out for you?

Apparently not so well as you still seem to feel compelled to second-guess and respond to my every post.

Face it: you're obsessed.

Iggy works well for those those that cannot answer the hard questions just like Mitty had no answer to Obama's persistent outing of his BS five trillion dollar tax break for the rich.

It's math you morons............5 trillion in new tax cuts and 1 trillion already with the current Bush tax cuts plus 2 trillion in even more defense spending.

Where the hell do you think he will cut to get that 8 trillion to be revenue neutral ? Cutting 17-20k of deductions from the super rich won't get there in any world you clueless ****s live in.


Don't delude yourself............just because Obama laid off the moron hoping he would self implode won't win the election because the math still doesn't add up and the facts are still on our side.

So you clueless mindless twits who know you cannot answer the why do rich folks need more tax breaks that we can't pay for question....just go ahead and put me on ignore.

I agree Obama laid off the guy and it was a mistake but the math and facts are still there and haven't changed.

Next debate will be Mitt's taxes, 47% and etc....it's coming.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by Broncojef

Not sure you've ever worked in the real world. Its called capitalism. As a CEO you make decisions to make money and be successful. Some decisions are hard and not everyone gets employed, matter of fact people who aren't productive and don't help in the money making process sometimes lose jobs. A CEO that runs companies like Mitt did knows the process. Obama never held a job that required leadership and it shows. I'm still amazed the left is so clueless on how real jobs are made and what drives our economy. Tonight you watched Obama get schooled, hopefully some on the left learned a fair bit as well.

Point of the above is when Mitt made those decisions ......

If he could make a few more dollars the jobs were gone or outsourced..............

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by spdirty

You're so full of ****.

Really dumbass......everything in the OP was correct and still stands...........................just because you morons are so ****ing happy he didn't embarass himself doesn't change the math or the facts.


He will be attacked next debate. Obama and his team took a risk the robot would self destruct. Under more pressure next time it could happen because there are many ways to attack that clown.

It's coming.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Gotta give Romney credit where due:

He peddles his lies and bullsh*t with a lot of conviction and panache.

The repigs are counting on Joe and Jane Six Pack (who are too busy to follow politics) to be taken in by a "style over substance" performance.

Meanwhile, the fact checkers will have a field day with Romney after tonight.

I would guess Obama understood this, and wisely gave Thurston some extra rope...

Agreed but without pressure he won't implode. Obama needs to attack and lay out the facts like Clinton did.

I honestly believe they thought he would **** up on his own.....he needs a push.

Next debate Obama will attack.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by Broncojef

Obama was owned this evening. Finally seeing Mitt without spin and speaking the truth was very refreshing. Gentlemen tonight you saw why Mitt was a success in the business world and the difference a leader represents. Put him in office and lets get this thing turned around once and for all, I think we're all tired of the crap we've had to put up with for the last 4 years, end it now.

Delusional........where is the five trillion in tax brekas and two trillion in defense spending coming from ?

Mitt's answer.......17-20k in super rich tax deductions...

All the attack lines are still there and his tax breaks for the rich question was never answered once.

Math.............

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

Hey brother...what happened?

heh ass clown......Obama thought he would hang himself.

Next debate will be attack mode...............

Nothing has changed in math or facts,,,,,,,,

ARE YOU CLOWNS SO EASILY IMPRESSED ?

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Nobody seems to care that when you cut the defense budget, people lose their jobs, opportunity for pensions, benefits, etc. But who cares about the military/defense contractor welfare whores right?

bUT, BUT GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CREATE JOBS !!!!!!!

oNLY WHEN ITS CONVENIENT HUH ?

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by barryr

There is a successful business out there that doesn't worry about profits? What world do you live in? The only entity that exists that doesn't worry about making a profit is one that the government has its hands on. No profit? Just raise taxes on everybody.

lOOK clown the guy you are supporting would fire your ass in a minute if he could make an extra buck outsourcing your ass...........

Are you this thick that corporate greed and capitalism gone wild is a big part of the problems we have.

How much extra money do you have to make to make it all right to outsource those jobs ?

[Drek]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

heh ass clown......Obama thought he would hang himself.

Next debate will be attack mode...............

Nothing has changed in math or facts,,,,,,,,

ARE YOU CLOWNS SO EASILY IMPRESSED ?

Romney did hang himself. In Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.

Romney just trotted out a bunch of doublespeak and lies with regards to healthcare and his tax plan. Now the Obama campaign will just splice his "not a voucher system, I don't want to hurt medicare, etc." debate lines with his previous comments where he outright said vouchers were the future and said medicare needs massive reform. That can be ran all day in Florida with massive effect.

Same in Ohio and Virginia where they can put together Romney's actual statements about cutting tax rates by 20% spliced with him saying that 47% of people pay no taxes and the fact that he claims he can do this tax cut but keep it deficit neutral. That will play directly to those concerned about the deficit and those concerned with plunging upper class tax rates.

Romney controlled the narrative of the debate. But the narrative he pushed with that control was a last minute run back to the middle, completely contradictory of his previous policy claims. His "win" at the debate tonight didn't earn him more likability as it was entirely created by being the more aggressive debater, and at the same time he just dropped a crate of ammo into the Obama team's camp.

Romney just picked up points with the "vote with my wallet 100% of the time" faux libertarians and white, middle class, suburban to rural voters. He already had those people, they're just wishy washy when asked in polls. So he'll probably see a small bounce like earlier this week where his numbers came up but Obama's don't go down. That does nothing for him, those were already his voters. He's done nothing to win over large sections of the nation or make himself appeal to true undecideds or a new segment of voters.

In exchange for that he's given a ton of battleground weaponry when he wasn't doing well in the battleground states already.

[TonyR]

Agree that Romney "won" the debate. A clearly better performance than Obama. Andrew Sullivan live blogged the whole debate and he pounded Obama's lame performance. Here's his conclusion:

Look: you know how much I love the guy, and you know how much of a high information viewer I am, and I can see the logic of some of Obama's meandering, weak, professorial arguments. But this was a disaster for the president for the key people he needs to reach, and his effete, wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving Romney a second look.

Obama looked tired, even bored; he kept looking down; he had no crisp statements of passion or argument; he wasn't there. He was entirely defensive, which may have been the strategy. But it was the wrong strategy. At the wrong moment.

The person with authority on that stage was Romney - offered it by one of the lamest moderators ever, and seized with relish. This was Romney the salesman. And my gut tells me he sold a few voters on a change tonight. It's beyond depressing. But it's true.

There are two more debates left. I have experienced many times the feeling that Obama just isn't in it, that he's on the ropes and not fighting back, and then he pulls it out. He got a little better over time tonight. But he pulled every punch. Maybe the next two will undo some of the damage. But I have to say I think it was extensive.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....bate-2012.html

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Drek

Romney did hang himself. In Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.

Romney just trotted out a bunch of doublespeak and lies with regards to healthcare and his tax plan. Now the Obama campaign will just splice his "not a voucher system, I don't want to hurt medicare, etc." debate lines with his previous comments where he outright said vouchers were the future and said medicare needs massive reform. That can be ran all day in Florida with massive effect.

Same in Ohio and Virginia where they can put together Romney's actual statements about cutting tax rates by 20% spliced with him saying that 47% of people pay no taxes and the fact that he claims he can do this tax cut but keep it deficit neutral. That will play directly to those concerned about the deficit and those concerned with plunging upper class tax rates.

Romney controlled the narrative of the debate. But the narrative he pushed with that control was a last minute run back to the middle, completely contradictory of his previous policy claims. His "win" at the debate tonight didn't earn him more likability as it was entirely created by being the more aggressive debater, and at the same time he just dropped a crate of ammo into the Obama team's camp.

Romney just picked up points with the "vote with my wallet 100% of the time" faux libertarians and white, middle class, suburban to rural voters. He already had those people, they're just wishy washy when asked in polls. So he'll probably see a small bounce like earlier this week where his numbers came up but Obama's don't go down. That does nothing for him, those were already his voters. He's done nothing to win over large sections of the nation or make himself appeal to true undecideds or a new segment of voters.

In exchange for that he's given a ton of battleground weaponry when he wasn't doing well in the battleground states already.

You're right, I just wish Obama would have pointed some of that out on the stage. Romney left a lot of openings and Obama didn't swing. It really is laughable how Romney's trying to reposition himself as a centrist after more than a year of playing the right-wing ideologue. All you have to do is go back and look what he said even just a couple of weeks ago and compare it to what he's saying now to see what a shameless liar the guy is. As you say, I imagine the campaign is already at work on exploiting that. I just hope Obama is more motivated for the next two debates.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

It really is laughable how Romney's trying to reposition himself as a centrist after more than a year of playing the right-wing ideologue. All you have to do is go back and look what he said even just a couple of weeks ago and compare it to what he's saying now to see what a shameless liar the guy is.

^ Yup. Much of what he said doesn't line up to what his ticket has been saying before tonight. And while he certainly performed better, and will be declared the "winner", he also lied a lot more and a lot better. But the average voter won't recognize that for the most part, so Romney definitely scored some valuable points.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Agree that Romney "won" the debate. A clearly better performance than Obama. Andrew Sullivan live blogged the whole debate and he pounded Obama's lame performance. Here's his conclusion:

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....bate-2012.html

Sullivan's concerns mirror my own. It will be interesting to see if there are any significant changes in Ohio in the coming days. Romney has not been able to move the needle there, and he needs it to realistically have a shot to win.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Broncojef

Obama was owned this evening. Finally seeing Mitt without spin and speaking the truth was very refreshing. Gentlemen tonight you saw why Mitt was a success in the business world and the difference a leader represents. Put him in office and lets get this thing turned around once and for all, I think we're all tired of the crap we've had to put up with for the last 4 years, end it now.

He was a success in the business world because he shares that sociopathic indifference to his audience that most great salesman have. He's a great salesman. Too bad his product is ****.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by TonyR

^ Yup. Much of what he said doesn't line up to what his ticket has been saying before tonight. And while he certainly performed better, and will be declared the "winner", he also lied a lot more and a lot better. But the average voter won't recognize that for the most part, so Romney definitely scored some valuable points.

It's going to be interesting to see what role they have Ryan play in the VP debate. Of course, the VP debates are practically meaningless in terms of swaying voters, but Ryan built his reputation as a right-wing folk hero on his budget plan that would gut "entitlements", which is precisely the impression Romney is trying to avoid. What value does Ryan bring to the ticket if he's just going to pretend to be a centrist?

[TonyR]

Obama simply hasn’t pressed any points where Romney said things that were demonstrably false. A bit on his tax cut plan, but not much. But how does it play over the next week? Romney’s been holding back all the details on his plans, basically refusing to talk about him. He’s put a lot on the table here, made a lot of claims which simply don’t add up. Obama hasn’t pressed the falsehoods or math that doesn’t make sense. Does the press do it tomorrow? How well do these claims wear? That’s how we’ll know how each did.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archive...ah+Marshall%29

[Rohirrim]

Romney's stumbling campaign has gotten brutal reviews from the punditry. But last night demonstrated his strength. We know who he is. He believes in more tax breaks for the wealthy, less regulation on the corporations, more corporate trade deals, more money for the military, deep and debilitating cuts in Medicare, Medicaid, and every domestic program. The full catastrophe that got us into the mess we are in. He is the tribune of the 1%, the champion of trickle down. But he's prepared to abandon that agenda to sell it, and do so without even a glimmer of conscience that he forcefully argued the reverse last month.

Romney truly is the man from Bain. There he "harvested" profits from companies, by arguing with a straight face that taking on massive debt would benefit the company and its workers. Of course, Bain would pocket its piece up front, but Romney would assure executives and workers we're all in this together. Right.

Now he's pushing tax cuts and deregulation, but don't worry. "My plan is not like anything that's been tried before." We're all in this together. Of course, the plan is secret; the details too complicated. But elect me first -- let me as always take my piece up front -- and then you'll see, we'll all prosper. If the man from Bain can sell that, we are all in big trouble.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_1938635.html

[BroncoInferno]

Obama simply hasn’t pressed any points where Romney said things that were demonstrably false. A bit on his tax cut plan, but not much. But how does it play over the next week? Romney’s been holding back all the details on his plans, basically refusing to talk about him. He’s put a lot on the table here, made a lot of claims which simply don’t add up. Obama hasn’t pressed the falsehoods or math that doesn’t make sense. Does the press do it tomorrow? How well do these claims wear? That’s how we’ll know how each did.

This is what was so frustrating. Hopefully, Obama's campaign will get agressive and start picking apart Romney's fuzzy math and outright falsehoods. They can definitely reverse the public's impression of the debate if they use the ammunition Romney gave them (and Obama failed to take advantage of on stage).

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

...Now he's pushing tax cuts and deregulation, but don't worry. "My plan is not like anything that's been tried before." We're all in this together. Of course, the plan is secret; the details too complicated. But elect me first -- let me as always take my piece up front -- and then you'll see, we'll all prosper. If the man from Bain can sell that, we are all in big trouble.

^ Yup. That's a devastatingly accurate portrayal of what Romney/Ryan is all about. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[txtebow]

Originally Posted by lonestar

and this is from a die hardon liberal

It was quite clear from last night that Obama has great people running his campaign for him; Romney on the other hand has a handle on his campaign much like each's personal paths to their successes...one owns his; the other was coddled like a 2 year old an when left to his own devices was shown to be an emperor with no clothes..."I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." thomas jefferson
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...Y6tx6Xrot8R.99

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by TonyR

^ Yup. That's a devastatingly accurate portrayal of what Romney/Ryan is all about. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Romney struck me last night the same way he always has, as the quintessential flim-flam man. He'll say anything, or do anything, to seal the deal.

[TonyR]

Interesting reader e-mail posted by Sullivan this morning:

You talk a lot about the long-game. So please put your long-game hat on once again. Think of the debate as a set of three debates and not as the first one being the only or the most important one. I think this is how the Obama team is and should be treating the debates. Romney comes from the B-school world of elevator pitches where only the first impression counts. This is also a universe where three-point action plans stand in for deep thinking and where free lunches abound. So Romney went all out to ‘win’ this round, madly shifting policy positions, making dodgy assertions and committing to specifics that his base abhors. Romney dodged and weaved impressively. But Obama forced him to take stances and policy positions. All these will be fact-checked to death and Romney will have to clarify, rationalize and reverse many of the things he said on stage with millions watching. What will emerge: a man willing to say anything to get elected which is precisely the image that the Obama team wants to reinforce.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....r-reax-ii.html

[~Crash~]

I think I will send Romney anther $100 you know cause he lost agian ...lMAO

[~Crash~]

spin spin spin .. LMAO