Will You Watch the Debate Tonight?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by Broncojef

Absolutely I'm making the comparison!!! The media and the left have cauddled Obama from the beginning and the state run media on CBS,CNBC,ABC,NBC,MSNBC, etc are complicit in the lies this administration spews as the truth. It was painfully pleasant watching Obama having to actually take real questions and explain himself. Obama is arrogant, doesn't have the need to explain himself and the media kisses his ass. I love the truth, freedom and making my own decisions. I live in America, not a nanny state where a dictator in Washington tells me what is allowable or fair and the media props him up to tell me what reality is.

Dude! You've lost it.

I have to sign off...i cant keep get in conversations with walls. Unreal that you think we're becoming a soviet union. YOURE LIFE HASNT CHANGED. HES TAKEN NOTHING FROM YOU.

My god. Im out.

[Broncojef]

Originally Posted by lonestar

thank you for your service..

I'm guessing that many if not most of the uber liberal morons here did not have the balls to serve..

Thanks mate! I call on all Americans both liberal and those who aren't to watch the debate tonight and those upcoming to make a decision on who to vote for, the choice should be clear.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Romney's plans are just so damn GOOD he has to keep them a secret in advance of the election.

That one made me chuckle.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Its this type of rhetoric that pisses me the **** off. Its so ****ing dumb.

Anyway, here are some facts on the numbers:

Mitt's "lengthy plan" for a new healthcare plan is a 396 word piece on his website that doesnt really explain all that much. Its good to be vague.

Again, his typical "ill cut taxes and pay for them," without ever saying how he'd pay for them other than "trust me," was on display tonight. Because the math claims he'd increase the deficit by 5 trillion. Its hard to nail him on his vague numbers because there's no facts to go by. He just dodged a lot, was vague with sweeping promises, and attacked Obama. He did a great job debating. Doesn't mean he'd be worth a damn as a president.

Hey guys, I have some pie, its great, and you wont even gain weight. Trust me.

Glad to piss you off.

as for Romney vs obama I'll take a successful business man any day over a career politician that has failed in doing anything but promise hope and change..

But hey that is me.. he was the clear winner tonite..

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Glad to piss you off.

as for Romney vs obama I'll take a successful business man any day over a career politician that has failed in doing anything but promise hope and change..

But hey that is me.. he was the clear winner tonite..

Only if you're giving points for style vs. substance.

[Broncojef]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Dude! You've lost it.

I have to sign off...i cant keep get in conversations with walls. Unreal that you think we're becoming a soviet union. YOURE LIFE HASNT CHANGED. HES TAKEN NOTHING FROM YOU.

My god. Im out.

Embassies on fire with the middle east burning due to poor foriegn policy and kissing ass with the muslim brotherhood, gun smuggling scams in Mexico killing kids and our border patrol to errode our the second amendment, spending that is so out of control that we print money and borrow from China while the dollar collapses and Obama's only answer is to make me pay higher taxes, A health care bill (Obamacare) that will errode medical treatment for myself, friends and family, an energy policy designed to invest my tax dollars in losing commodities while gas and electric bills go through the roof...the list goes on and on don't tell me my life hasn't changed or it won't. There are consequences to elections and while you may not see them some of us are smart enough to know what Obama is doing is destroying America.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Broncojef

Embassies on fire with the middle east burning due to poor foriegn policy and kissing ass with the muslim brotherhood, gun smuggling scams in Mexico killing kids and our border patrol to errode our the second amendment, spending that is so out of control that we print money and borrow from China while the dollar collapses and Obama's only answer is to make me pay higher taxes, A health care bill (Obamacare) that will errode medical treatment for myself, friends and family, an energy policy designed to invest my tax dollars in losing commodities while gas and electric bills go through the roof...the list goes on and on don't tell me my life hasn't changed or it won't. There are consequences to elections and while you may not see them some of us are smart enough to know what Obama is doing is destroying America.

not to mention killing any oil and gas exploration-pipeline as well as shutting down Coal fired electric generation plants. While maybe not a bad idea LONG term not good until they have something else in place to replace them..

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by lonestar

not to mention killing any oil and gas exploration-pipeline as well as shutting down Coal fired electric generation plants. While maybe not a bad idea LONG term not good until they have something else in place to replace them..

But lets help Brazil expand their offshore drilling.

[barryr]

You know Obama did poorly when the Obama supporting liberals have little to post after months of nonstop threads about how terrible Romney is and how great Obama is even though they have little to offer for that support. And tonight didn't change that, so not much to say But their game is ready to go as planned with the usual Obama makes a great comeback in the next debate despite it being basically the same.

[barryr]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

But lets help Brazil expand their offshore drilling.

Yep, how that makes any sense to anybody is beyond comprehension. We won't spend money to do our own drilling, but we'll pay other countries to help do their own? Idiotic!

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by barryr

Yep, how that makes any sense to anybody is beyond comprehension. We won't spend money to do our own drilling, but we'll pay other countries to help do their own? Idiotic!

2016:Obama's America has a pretty good explination.

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Hate to admit it but I thought Romney clearly "won" the early part of the debate. Let's see if Obama picks it up.

There is no such thing as winning a debate. It's not like a sporting event where there is a single and clear winner, no disputes. Debates are pure perspective. If you go by a meter at the bottom of the screen controlled by 39 people and then some bias reporting both ways afterwards, I guess then you could say you think somebody won.

Fact is, Romney needs a miracle to win this thing. He's behind in all the swing states and by a pretty decent amount in some of them. He can't just get a few of those, he needs almost ALL of those swing states.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by ZONA

There is no such thing as winning a debate. It's not like a sporting event where there is a single and clear winner, no disputes.

You'll never be able to get the average right-wingnut to understand this.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Im a very very left wing liberal, and I thought Mittens kicked Obamas ass tonight. Wasn't even close. Obama looked disinterested and simply didn't stand up for himself. Romney threw out a lot of bull**** tonight, and Obama never called him on it. He pushed around the moderator, he had convinction (even when his facts are off), and I think its a wake up call for the president.

That said...i really dont think debates make a lick of difference in peoples final decision...plus, people have no attention spans. And i dont think either of them will make much of a difference anyway.

I agree. Make no mistake, it wasn't that Romney put on some brillant display....Obama simply let him off the hook. It was very frustrating to watch. When Romney says he's going to cut taxes but make them revenue neutral, simple logic dictates that the only way that works is to either not cut taxes at all or cut spending. Obama should have pressed him for specifics, but he let him off the hook. And no mention of the 47% comment? One commentator compared Obama's performance to playing prevent defense, and I think that was a good comparison. He seemed like he was trying to run out the clock. It will be interesting to see what kind of movement the polls show in the swing states. Obama just sucked. He looked exhausted and disinterested. Fortunately, there are two other debates and I suspect he won't let that happen again.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Broncojef

...poor foriegn policy...

You're such a joke. You know nothing about foreign policy. You only know what the right wing propagandists say about it.

How about considering the opinions of some people who do know something about foreign policy?

Hey, it turns out that the sanctions against Iran really are crippling -- so much so that even Mahmoud Admadinejad is admitting it and Benjamin Netanyahu now has sanctions fever. Based on my own sanctions model, I'd predict that the sanctions are now becoming so costly that Iran will in fact be willing to compromise on its nuclear program -- but any concessions will seem tiny compared to how devastating the sanctions have been.

http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/pos...bate_potpourri

Regardless of what you think about Iran's nuclear program (and the sanctions regime itself), there's a lesson here: foreign policy isn't always — or even often — about who can bluster the hardest. Nor is it about "red lines" and toughness. It's messy. No one just sails from success to success. But Obama has pursued a sensible and persistent course against Iran's nuclear program: first getting the world on his side by demonstrating a genuine willingness to engage with Iran's leaders; pushing relentlessly for sanctions when that didn't work; declining to back down when Iran tried to split the coalition he'd built; consistently turning down policy options that might have turned Iran's people against him; and keeping military threats visible but always in the background.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...ty-well-so-far

[Rohirrim]

Obama's performance was lackluster, at best. I thought it looked like a top salesman going up against a professor. I hope the American people can look behind the curtain and see what that salesman is actually selling. This went pretty much as I expected. Obama was vanilla. He doesn't feel the need to add more to the scoreboard so he's trying to run out the clock. Romney showed that he's willing to say anything to anybody, even if it's the reverse of what he was saying last week. This is what I really dislike about Romney. He'll say anything to make the sale. That's what he did at Bain. That's what he's still doing. We still have no idea what he would actually do in office, because he's not going to tell anybody that. Maybe he doesn't even know, or care?

[BroncoInferno]

One of the areas where I think this may hurt Obama is his likeability. Even when he hasn't polled well in other areas, his likeability ratings have always been consistently strong. As shallow as it may sound, that is a big advantage with wishy-washy independents when they go into the booth. A lot of people will end up pulling the lever for the guy they like the best, the guy they would wanna have a beer with. Last night, he came of as aloof and condescending, and it could turn off some of those people.

[Requiem]

I was about right. Mitt went on the offensive attacking Obama endlessly, yet not offering any specifics on his own. Romney did a really good job last night, even though he didn't discuss much about what he was going to do. Obama sat there and took a beating. I don't think he ever brought up Bain or anything questionable that Rmoney might get uneasy or fumble over.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

One of the areas where I think this may hurt Obama is his likeability. Even when he hasn't polled well in other areas, his likeability ratings have always been consistently strong. As shallow as it may sound, that is a big advantage with wishy-washy independents when they go into the booth. A lot of people will end up pulling the lever for the guy they like the best, the guy they would wanna have a beer with. Last night, he came of as aloof and condescending, and it could turn off some of those people.

But do you think that the first debate is going to have that much of an impact? A lot of people's perceptions about the debate going into it are the same that they came away with. People heard what they really wanted to hear. I had a colleague of mine who did liaison work with me in the state legislature who went to the extremes to say that Obama's performance last night was the worst in all history (without having witnessed more than several debates in his lifetime). Can't agree with that, but he came off as disinterested and fumbled over quite a few things. I've never seen him struggle that much. It was kind of hard to watch.

I'm not sure how the other channels had their coverage, but I watched the CNN live coverage (streaming via the net) and it seemed like women responded better for Obama and men overwhelmingly supported Romney over him. That really comes as no surprise. It will be interesting to see how this impacts polls through this weekend. Prior to this debate, Obama had had his highest ratings among women, men and even higher percentages of Latino voters in his corner in his time as President.

Will be interesting to see if that changes. Last night was a bright spot for the Romney campaign and I expect a little bit of move in the polls for him after a pretty sound performance, but the electoral college deficit he has to make up is going to be really difficult.

I've also read that there has been a huge turnout in early voting for Democrats in a lot of battleground states that allow it. That is pretty good news for the Obama campaign.

[Garcia Bronco]

I too thought that Romney really pwned Obama throughout the night.

[barryr]

Obama acted defensive and with good reason. Instead of giving people reasons to vote for him, his supporters spend time about Romney's dog, which most people didn't care. He has no real defense for the economy other than "Bush" nor why he spent so much time on his Obamacare and neglected the economy and jobs, which he has shown he knows very little anyway. Not to mention the ME is imploding right now and he has no idea what to do other than host celebrities at the WH and ignore our allies.

[24champ]

I was expecting Obama to use some sort of reference to Bain or the 47 percent comment, and then pander to the women and so forth. To my surprise he looked completely out of it, sort of meandering through the debate. Essentially the hundreds of millions of dollars the Obama Campaign spent on defining Romney, completely evaporated last night.

Romney really looked more Presidential than the President himself, Romney was respectful in going after Obama. Props to the Romney debate prep team, they worked on shortening Romney's responses since Romney can go a little wonky and lengthy at times.

I don't think this election is over based on last nights debate, but Romney has probably inched ahead by a few points. Romney got a lot of the undecideds, Romney did very well on CNN's flash poll (Romney got the largest percent in CNN poll history, going back to Reagan) and their Colorado undecideds focus group.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by barryr

But their game is ready to go as planned with the usual Obama makes a great comeback in the next debate despite it being basically the same.

The next debate is Ryan vs. Biden...which will be fun to watch, to say the least. Paul Ryan should be able to rag-doll Biden.

The next Presidential debate is a town hall debate in New York where Gallup (left-leaning) will select "undecided" voters to ask questions. Romney has two weeks to prepare. He will be attacked on all sides. Romney looked presidential last night. He has the ability, and facts on his side. Time to step up the intensity.

The last debate is Foreign Affairs in Florida. Romney's effectiveness will depend on his ability to detail the unraveling world-scene due to misguided U.S. foreign policy, and to portray strength while condemning nuclear proliferation, without appearing too gung-ho. Speak softly and carry a big stick, as it were.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by 24champ

I was expecting Obama to use some sort of reference to Bain or the 47 percent comment, and then pander to the women and so forth. To my surprise he looked completely out of it, sort of meandering through the debate. Essentially the hundreds of millions of dollars the Obama Campaign spent on defining Romney, completely evaporated last night.

Romney really looked more Presidential than the President himself, Romney was respectful in going after Obama. Props to the Romney debate prep team, they worked on shortening Romney's responses since Romney can go a little wonky and lengthy at times.

I don't think this election is over based on last nights debate, but Romney has probably inched ahead by a few points. Romney got a lot of the undecideds, Romney did very well on CNN's flash poll (Romney got the largest percent in CNN poll history, going back to Reagan) and their Colorado undecideds focus group.

I'm starting to think the 47 percent thing, and Bain are better weapons for Obama to use in ads rather than at a debate. At a debate Romney can respond directly. In ads you can say whatever the eff you want and people will buy it.

I would be very surprised if they aren't brought up in the next two debates however. Obama is going to come out the next two debates having to correct himself so much after the first disaster it may make him over compensate and not do so well. I would not be the least bit surprised if Romney/Ryan go 4/4 in these debates. The VP debate should be great. Bidens a dumbass.

[Requiem]

@ the notion of Paul Ryan being able to rag doll Biden. Biden is going to wipe his ass with that Ayn Rand loving puke.