US embassy in Libya in flames, ambassador dead

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

short and simple i want answers and the truth oh and a Lombardi . manning if the refs would learn to ref bring us one gov sucks no matter who anyways refs suck life sucks lol

[ant1999e]

http://www.examiner.com/article/hous...urity-benghazi

House: Administration denied 'repeated requests' for extra security in Benghazi

In a letter sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday, Reps. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said that repeated requests for additional security in Libya were denied, despite numerous attacks against the consulate.

“Based on information provided to the Committee by individuals with direct knowledge of events in Libya, the attack that claimed the ambassador’s life was the latest in a long line of attacks on Western diplomats and officials in Libya in the months leading up to September 11, 2012,” Rep. Issa wrote.

“In addition, multiple U.S. federal government officials have confirmed to the Committee that, prior to the September 11 attack, the U.S. mission in Libya made repeated requests for increased security in Benghazi,” they added.

“The mission in Libya, however, was denied these resources by officials in Washington.”

The letter spells out 13 separate attacks on or near the compound between April and September. The consulate was attacked and burned on September 11, killing Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.

"Put together," the letter says, "these events indicated a clear pattern of security threats that could only be reasonably interpreted to justify increased security for U.S. personnel and facilities in Benghazi."

According to the Associated Press, Rep. Chaffetz said there were over 50 incidents.

"Two of them involved explosive devices: a June 6 blast that blew a hole in the security perimeter. The explosion was described to the committee as 'big enough for forty men to go through'; and an April 6 incident where two Libyans who were fired by a security contractor threw a small explosive device over the consulate fence," the AP reported.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland refused to answer questions on requests for extra security, but said that Clinton received the letter on Tuesday and will reply the same day. The AP said that she "insisted that the department intends to cooperate fully with Congress."

"We share the same goal," she told reporters. "We want to get to the bottom of precisely what happened and learn any lessons that we need to learn from it. We're taking this very, very seriously."

A post at Townhall says that Ambassador Stevens was also concerned about security and made note of it in the journal a CNN crew found in the burned consulate.

"CNN says Stevens wrote about his fears of constant threats -- threats, incidentally, that the Obama administration has downplayed or flat-out denied," Guy Benson wrote.

ABC News reported that White house Press Secretary Jay Carney declined to discuss the issue.

“I’m not going to get into a situation under review by the State Department and the FBI,” he said.

Hot Air's Ed Morrissey minced no words in his criticism of the administration:

The White House and State Department were asleep at the switch before the 9/11 anniversary attack, and they’ve been lying ever since about the circumstances behind it, too.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

http://www.examiner.com/article/hous...urity-benghazi

House: Administration denied 'repeated requests' for extra security in Benghazi

In a letter sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday, Reps. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said that repeated requests for additional security in Libya were denied, despite numerous attacks against the consulate.

“Based on information provided to the Committee by individuals with direct knowledge of events in Libya, the attack that claimed the ambassador’s life was the latest in a long line of attacks on Western diplomats and officials in Libya in the months leading up to September 11, 2012,” Rep. Issa wrote.

“In addition, multiple U.S. federal government officials have confirmed to the Committee that, prior to the September 11 attack, the U.S. mission in Libya made repeated requests for increased security in Benghazi,” they added.

“The mission in Libya, however, was denied these resources by officials in Washington.”

The letter spells out 13 separate attacks on or near the compound between April and September. The consulate was attacked and burned on September 11, killing Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.

"Put together," the letter says, "these events indicated a clear pattern of security threats that could only be reasonably interpreted to justify increased security for U.S. personnel and facilities in Benghazi."

According to the Associated Press, Rep. Chaffetz said there were over 50 incidents.

"Two of them involved explosive devices: a June 6 blast that blew a hole in the security perimeter. The explosion was described to the committee as 'big enough for forty men to go through'; and an April 6 incident where two Libyans who were fired by a security contractor threw a small explosive device over the consulate fence," the AP reported.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland refused to answer questions on requests for extra security, but said that Clinton received the letter on Tuesday and will reply the same day. The AP said that she "insisted that the department intends to cooperate fully with Congress."

"We share the same goal," she told reporters. "We want to get to the bottom of precisely what happened and learn any lessons that we need to learn from it. We're taking this very, very seriously."

A post at Townhall says that Ambassador Stevens was also concerned about security and made note of it in the journal a CNN crew found in the burned consulate.

"CNN says Stevens wrote about his fears of constant threats -- threats, incidentally, that the Obama administration has downplayed or flat-out denied," Guy Benson wrote.

ABC News reported that White house Press Secretary Jay Carney declined to discuss the issue.

“I’m not going to get into a situation under review by the State Department and the FBI,” he said.

Hot Air's Ed Morrissey minced no words in his criticism of the administration:

The White House and State Department were asleep at the switch before the 9/11 anniversary attack, and they’ve been lying ever since about the circumstances behind it, too.

so it seems most not with their heads up their rectums called this correct.. failure by the white house and the State Department (who reports to the white house) to supply them with security..

Go figure..

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^

Gotta chuckle when I read this kind of sh*t from a cheerleader for an administration that failed to act in advance of 9/11.

Security failures don't get much worse than that, but for some reason you seem to believe you have some sort of moral high ground here.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

^

Gotta chuckle when I read this kind of sh*t from a cheerleader for an administration that failed to act in advance of 9/11.

Security failures don't get much worse than that, but for some reason you seem to believe you have some sort of moral high ground here.

Is it hard to read while covering your eyes?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Is it hard to read while covering your eyes?

You should ask your pal lonestar - he's the clown who continues to respond to my posts when he has me on ignore.

In any event, no eye-covering required to note right-wing hypocrisy when it comes to security matters.

[Mecklomaniac]

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When you've lost John Stewart...... “Two things, apparently, have become clear. The attack on our embassy was planned and coordinated. The response to it– eh, not so much.”

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by Mecklomaniac

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When you've lost John Stewart...... “Two things, apparently, have become clear. The attack on our embassy was planned and coordinated. The response to it– eh, not so much.”

say wasnt some or most of the posters here blaming the obscure you tube video and not calling this what it is attack on Americans on the 11th anniversary of 9-11 . they just happen to have rocket launchers and rpg sitting around this was totally spontaneous.
then again we had to go meddle in another countries internal affairs wish the us would stop doing that. now every idiot in that country has military grade weapons .

[barryr]

No question the liberals wanted to believe killing bin laden meant terrorism is over, but they are the last ones to understand the terrorists just find a replacement and keep on going. The narrative is ruined if they have to admit it was a planned attack, but only a complete fool believed people just happen to have advanced weaponry laying around or in their pockets to have a "spontaneous" demonstration and attack. News to the liberals: the terrorists don't like America anymore with Obama as president as they did before or I should restate maybe they do since they can spot a weak leader when they see one. A president who is scared and refuses to call terrorism just that, isn't much of a leader.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by barryr

No question the liberals wanted to believe killing bin laden meant terrorism is over, but they are the last ones to understand the terrorists just find a replacement and keep on going. The narrative is ruined if they have to admit it was a planned attack, but only a complete fool believed people just happen to have advanced weaponry laying around or in their pockets to have a "spontaneous" demonstration and attack. News to the liberals: the terrorists don't like America anymore with Obama as president as they did before or I should restate maybe they do since they can spot a weak leader when they see one. A president who is scared and refuses to call terrorism just that, isn't much of a leader.

there you go again.. being logical something most of these morons are unable to understand..

Shame on you..

[DenverBrit]

.

Barry makes no sense, as usual, and you agree with him.

Here, read some expert analysis:

"I would have said four years ago that the al-Qaida movement was emerging as a bigger problem, especially with the emergence of affiliates in places like Yemen and with the spike in homegrown attacks," said Phil Mudd, a senior counterterrorism official at the CIA and FBI during the Bush and Obama administrations. "But I would say today that al-Qaidaism is on the decline. By any balance, the number of places where people want to come after us has declined in the past four years."

Mudd, now a senior research fellow at the nonpartisan New America Foundation, said that while militants in other countries may still be causing problems in their own areas, they are less likely to "be sitting there saying how do we get to Los Angeles, and that's a big change."

"Everyone was afraid that Iraq meant that whenever we thought it was a good idea to bring democracy to a country by force we would do it," said James Lewis, a Washington-based national security expert, now with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Through diplomatic efforts by the Obama administration, he said that "that level of fear has been tamped down. The global perception of the U.S. is better."

"We have strengthened our alliances around the world to protect against future threats, locked down nuclear materials and improved our homeland defenses," said Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council. "The U.S. is absolutely safer now than four years ago."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by lonestar

there you go again.. being logical something most of these morons are unable to understand..

Shame on you..

You and your BFF barry wouldn't know a syllogism from a gopher hole.

Simply forming a coherent English sentence is clearly a challenge for you.

[TonyR]

[W]e know for a fact that Bush had explicit advance warning that 9-11, an attack that killed 2,800 people, was coming. ... The same people who spent years making excuses for why Bush shouldn’t have taken that August 6 PDB seriously are now trying to argue that an attack that was about 1/700th as cataclysmic should be Obama’s undoing? You've got to be kidding me. If you want to talk about why we need to get to the bottom of Benghazi for substantive reasons, I’ll join the conversation. If you are trying to use the deaths of these people as a political cudgel to get Obama because every other piece of crap attack you’ve tried has failed, you are doing something that’s both contemptible and ineffectual.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-was-9-11.html

[ant1999e]

What about Libya

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Exactly.

Amazing how these idiots can think they have any credibility in this department.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

What about Libya

What about Libya?

U.S. Is Tracking Killers in Attack on Libya Mission

WASHINGTON — The United States is laying the groundwork for operations to kill or capture militants implicated in the deadly attack on a diplomatic mission in Libya, senior military and counterterrorism officials said Tuesday, as the weak Libyan government appears unable to arrest or even question fighters involved in the assault.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/03/wo...k.html?hp&_r=0

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

http://www.examiner.com/article/hous...urity-benghazi

House: Administration denied 'repeated requests' for extra security in Benghazi

In a letter sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday, Reps. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said that repeated requests for additional security in Libya were denied, despite numerous attacks against the consulate.

“Based on information provided to the Committee by individuals with direct knowledge of events in Libya, the attack that claimed the ambassador’s life was the latest in a long line of attacks on Western diplomats and officials in Libya in the months leading up to September 11, 2012,” Rep. Issa wrote.

“In addition, multiple U.S. federal government officials have confirmed to the Committee that, prior to the September 11 attack, the U.S. mission in Libya made repeated requests for increased security in Benghazi,” they added.

“The mission in Libya, however, was denied these resources by officials in Washington.”

The letter spells out 13 separate attacks on or near the compound between April and September. The consulate was attacked and burned on September 11, killing Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.

"Put together," the letter says, "these events indicated a clear pattern of security threats that could only be reasonably interpreted to justify increased security for U.S. personnel and facilities in Benghazi."

According to the Associated Press, Rep. Chaffetz said there were over 50 incidents.

"Two of them involved explosive devices: a June 6 blast that blew a hole in the security perimeter. The explosion was described to the committee as 'big enough for forty men to go through'; and an April 6 incident where two Libyans who were fired by a security contractor threw a small explosive device over the consulate fence," the AP reported.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland refused to answer questions on requests for extra security, but said that Clinton received the letter on Tuesday and will reply the same day. The AP said that she "insisted that the department intends to cooperate fully with Congress."

"We share the same goal," she told reporters. "We want to get to the bottom of precisely what happened and learn any lessons that we need to learn from it. We're taking this very, very seriously."

A post at Townhall says that Ambassador Stevens was also concerned about security and made note of it in the journal a CNN crew found in the burned consulate.

"CNN says Stevens wrote about his fears of constant threats -- threats, incidentally, that the Obama administration has downplayed or flat-out denied," Guy Benson wrote.

ABC News reported that White house Press Secretary Jay Carney declined to discuss the issue.

“I’m not going to get into a situation under review by the State Department and the FBI,” he said.

Hot Air's Ed Morrissey minced no words in his criticism of the administration:

The White House and State Department were asleep at the switch before the 9/11 anniversary attack, and they’ve been lying ever since about the circumstances behind it, too.

[ant1999e]

Records show calls for more protection in Libya, 230 'security incidents' before strike

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...before-attack/

The U.S. mission in Libya recorded 230 "security incidents" over a one-year period between 2011 and 2012, according to a State Department document that provides the most expansive view yet of the concerns on the ground in the run-up to the deadly Sept. 11 consulate attack.
The document was obtained by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which is preparing to hold a high-profile hearing on Wednesday featuring security officers who served in Libya.
One of them, Eric Nordstrom, claimed in an Oct. 1 email -- obtained by Fox News -- that he had argued for additional security, citing the "number of incidents that targeted diplomatic missions."
However, Nordstrom suggested the U.S. government was eager to give the impression that Libya was safer than it was and declined.
"These incidents paint a clear picture that the environment in Libya was fragile at best and could degrade quickly," he wrote. "Certainly, not an environment where post should be directed to 'normalize' operations and reduce security resources in accordance with an artificial time table."
The account is similar to that of Lt. Col. Andy Wood, the former head of a Special Forces security team who has also agreed to testify. He has given similar accounts in the media of being rebuffed in calling for more security.
The testimony is sure to fuel the firestorm on Capitol Hill over the administration's handling of the attack -- both in terms of security before the attack and the public explanation afterward of what happened.
Pushed on whether security was pulled back before the Sept. 11 strike, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland declined to get into specifics.
"I'm not going to go into all of these kinds of timeline details as to what we had when and where," she said.
Nuland said that in advance of the Sept. 11 anniversary, the department evaluated the "threat stream" and determined "security at Benghazi was appropriate for what we knew."
The document on the 230 incidents, which spans June 2011 to July 2012, goes well beyond high-profile attacks, like the attempted assassination of the British ambassador in June, to include gunfights, the murder of foreign nationals and an explosives attack on the Benghazi consulate on June 6.
In one June 26 attack, the Tunisian consulate was targeted by a "crude IED," though no one was injured, the report said. A border security officer was assassinated in Benghazi on July 4. The report detailed a string of kidnappings later that month.
A "general assessment" at the end of the document then states: "The risk of U.S. Mission personnel, private U.S. citizens, and businesspersons encountering an isolating event as a result of militia or political violence is HIGH."
A senior Republican with the House oversight committee says there's a pattern -- one where help was requested by teams in Libya and consistently denied.
"It seems to be a coordinated effort between the White House and the State Department," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, who visited Libya over the weekend.
"They wanted the appearance of ... 'normalization' there in Libya," he said. "And building up of an infrastructure, putting up barbed wire on our ... facility would lead to the wrong impression."
Ahead of Wednesday's hearing, Democrats were accusing Republicans of exploiting the situation for political purposes.
A memo by Democrats on the oversight committee reportedly accused Republican leaders of keeping them largely out of the loop on "unverified allegations," as well as the fact-finding trip.
One Democratic aide also stressed "GOP cuts in spending for embassy security" ahead of the attack.
Four Americans including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens were killed in the attack.
An independent investigation launched by the State Department is under way -- it presumably will examine why the administration at first claimed the attack was a "spontaneous" reaction to protests in Egypt over an anti-Islam film despite evidence of terrorism.
A law enforcement investigation is also underway.
New details, confirmed by Fox News, show the attack on the consulate and nearby annex used by the CIA unfolded over five hours. In addition to rocket-propelled grenades, AK-47s and assault rifles, the terrorists used gun trucks and mortars.
After Republican Sen. Bob Corker, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who traveled to Libya, confirmed to The Washington Post that U.S. agents were analyzing security camera video from the consulate, Attorney General Eric Holder suggested lawmakers pull back on their public discussion of the investigation.
Holder urged "people in Congress" to be "a little mindful of the fact that there is an ongoing investigation and not reveal anything that might compromise our law enforcement investigation."
Fox News' Catherine Herridge contributed to this report.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz28s3ZUFB3

[ant1999e]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...tack-in-libya/

WASHINGTON – Senior State Department officials provided a more detailed picture Tuesday of the consulate attack in Benghazi, Libya, that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. A look at how they say the attack took place:

Sept. 10-11, 2012
Stevens arrives in Benghazi and holds meetings on and off the consulate grounds on Sept. 10. He spends the night, and for the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the U.S. holds meetings only inside the compound. It is an enclosed area about 300 yards long by 100 yards wide, with a 9-foot outer wall topped by barbed wire and augmented by barriers, steel drop bars and other security upgrades. There are four buildings in the compound. Five diplomatic security officers are present, along with four members of a local militia deployed by Libya's government to provide added security.

Around 8:30 p.m.
Stevens finishes his final meeting of the day and escorts a Turkish diplomat outside the main entrance of the consulate. The situation is calm. There are no protests.

Around 9:40 p.m.
Agents hear loud noises, gunfire and explosions near the front gate. A barracks at the entrance housing the local militiamen is burnt down. Agents viewing cameras see large group of armed men flowing into the compound. Alarm is sounded. Telephone calls are made to the embassy in Tripoli, officials in Washington, the Libyan authorities and a U.S. quick reaction force located at a second compound a little over a mile away.

Grabbing weapons
One agent, armed with a sidearm and an M4 submachine gun, takes Stevens and computer specialist Sean Smith to a safe room inside one of the compound's two main residences. It has a heavy metal grill and several locks, medical supplies and water, and windows that can be opened only from the inside. The other agents equip themselves with long guns, body armor, helmets and ammunition at other buildings. Two try to make it to the building with Stevens. They are met by armed men and are forced to retreat.
Attackers breach the compound
Attackers penetrate Stevens' building and try to break the grill locks for the safe room, but cannot gain access. They dump jerry cans of diesel fuel in the building, light furniture on fire and set aflame part of the exterior of the building. Two of the remaining four agents are in the compound's other residence. Attackers penetrate that building, but the agents barricade themselves in and the attackers can't reach them. Attackers try to enter the tactical operations center, where the last two agents are located. They smash up the door but cannot enter the building.

Americans trapped
Meanwhile, Stevens' building rapidly fills up with thick diesel smoke and burning fumes from the furniture. Inside, visibility is less than 3 feet. Unable to breathe, the Americans go to a bathroom and open a window, but still can't get enough air. They decide to leave the building. The agent goes first, flopping out onto a patio enclosed by sandbags. He takes immediate fire, including probably rocket-propelled grenades. Stevens and Smith don't come out of the building. The agent, suffering severely from smoke inhalation, goes in and out of the building several times to look for them. He then climbs a ladder to the roof of the building and collapses. He radios the other agents to alert them to the situation there.
The other four agents are able to reunite and take an armored vehicle to Stevens' building. They reach the collapsed agent and try to set up a perimeter. They take turns going into the building, searching on hands and knees for the missing Americans. Smith is pulled out, dead. Stevens cannot be found.

Reinforcements
A six-person quick reaction security team arrives from their compound across town. About 60 Libyan militiamen accompany them. They attempt to secure a perimeter around Stevens' building, and take turns going inside. Taking fire, Libyan forces determine they can't hold the perimeter. A decision is made to evacuate the compound and return with everyone to the reaction force's compound.

Evacuation
Agents pile into an armored vehicle, with Smith's body, and leave through the main gate. They face immediate fire. Crowds and groups of men block two different routes to the security compound. Heavy traffic means they are traveling only about 15 mph, and trying not to attract attention. On a narrow street they reach a group of men who signal for them to enter a compound. They sense an attack and speed away, taking heavy fire from AK-47 machine guns at a distance of only 2 feet, and hand grenades thrown against and under the car. Two tires are blown out.
They speed past another crowd of men and onto a main street and across a grassy median into opposing traffic. The agents drive against traffic, eventually reaching their compound. Security gets into firing positions around the compound and on the roof. They take more gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades intermittently for several hours.

More reinforcements
In the night, a team of reinforcements from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli arrives on a chartered aircraft at the Benghazi airport and reaches the security compound.

Around 4 a.m.
The compound's building is hit by mortar fire. The roof is hit and two security personnel are killed. One agent involved in the attack from the beginning is severely wounded. The men decide to evacuate the city entirely. They spend the next hours securing the annex and moving a large convoy of vehicles to the airport. They evacuate on two flights.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz28s3wf6wr

[elsid13]

What you are getting is more information as folks are able to gather the data and analysis what happened.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by elsid13

What you are getting is more information as folks are able to gather the data and analysis what happened.

What we are getting is the truth after being lied to.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

What we are getting is the truth after being lied to.

No one was lied to. In situations like this, leadership is in dark and working off half truth and misinformation. It isn't like TV, most of the time folk in DC don't have immediate access to all the facts and respond before they know what going on.

[Smiling Assassin27]

These hearings are friggin' incredible. Believe me, we were and are being lied to.

p.s. Where TF is Hilary? Coward.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by elsid13

No one was lied to. In situations like this, leadership is in dark and working off half truth and misinformation. It isn't like TV, most of the time folk in DC don't have immediate access to all the facts and respond before they know what going on.

Please. No wonder this Administration gets away with so much crap.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

These hearings are friggin' incredible. Believe me, we were and are being lied to.

p.s. Where TF is Hilary? Coward.

..and they accuse Romney of lying?