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Old 10-01-2012, 05:55 AM   #26
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If the only reason for putting Leonhard back there is because he always catches the ball and is unlikely to fumble, put someone else back there.
Like someone else said, at least twice there should have been good returns but Leonhard was so slow he netted like 5 yards.
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:58 AM   #27
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I think fox is starting to come out of his shell a little and take more chances. I expect a new guy in there soon.
We're not getting many good kick off returns either for real
We dont get any kickoff returns in Denver you stupid ****.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:02 AM   #28
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maxdenver commented on this previously, basically said leonhard will catch the ball every time. with this team and this offense, thats all they need, we dont need a dynamic return guy, just a guy who will secure the ball for denver 100% of the time and also pick up a couple yards on the way.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:25 AM   #29
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We dont get any kickoff returns in Denver you stupid ****.
Ahh yes. Are the schools that bad out there that they don't teach you reading comprehension? I wasn't referring to just yesterday. Do we not play games outside Denver? Unlike you, I can retain my thoughts and draw on past observations. Where did I say yesterday? So we didn't have a single kickoff return all season? Go buy some lottery tickets hillbilly.
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Ahh yes. Are the schools that bad out there that they don't teach you reading comprehension? I wasn't referring to just yesterday. Do we not play games outside Denver? Unlike you, I can retain my thoughts and draw on past observations. Where did I say yesterday? So we didn't have a single kickoff return all season? Go buy some lottery tickets hillbilly.
Our leading kick returner had EIGHT returns all last season. So, it's clearly as low priority a position as there gets in the NFL.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:04 AM   #31
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What about Bubba?
I agree. I thought he looked pretty fast on his one carry.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:24 AM   #32
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Our leading kick returner had EIGHT returns all last season. So, it's clearly as low priority a position as there gets in the NFL.
Good kick returners can return the ball even when it's kicked into the EZ. Do you really think if we had Harvin returning kicks in Denver we would just take a knee?
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Good kick returners can return the ball even when it's kicked into the EZ. Do you really think if we had Harvin returning kicks in Denver we would just take a knee?
Can't even take a knee if it goes through the goalposts.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:41 AM   #34
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Can't even take a knee if it goes through the goalposts.
We have a guy with 6 returns on the year Harvin has 9.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:46 AM   #35
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Our leading kick returner had EIGHT returns all last season. So, it's clearly as low priority a position as there gets in the NFL.
I agree.

Unless it's within a couple yards past the goalline, just take a knee.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:51 AM   #37
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We have a guy with 6 returns on the year Harvin has 9.
That goes against your earlier point that we're just taking a knee left and right.

Bolden has shown that if it's 1 to 5 yards deep, he's going to bring it out. Any deeper and he won't. It's pretty simple.

We're not taking a knee just for the fun of it.
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That goes against your earlier point that we're just taking a knee left and right.

Bolden has shown that if it's 1 to 5 yards deep, he's going to bring it out. Any deeper and he won't. It's pretty simple.

We're not taking a knee just for the fun of it.
No I said do you think that if we had Harvin he would just take a knee? Our leading guy last year had 17 returns, we are on pace for more then that and I don't think Bolden is that good. The original post about kick return game was asking for a better guy back there returning kicks and Rock and you said it wasn't needed.
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he fumbled a kick and got cut the same week right?
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he fumbled a kick and got cut the same week right?
It was probably more for needlessly trying to field a punt inside the 10 at the end of the half.
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:19 AM   #42
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Yeah, I have to say....I've been thinking the same thing.

The one thing that I'll give leonard? He catches the ball and we don't have to worry about a flub or a fumble. But, he is rooted in cement.
I think this is the explanation. We all know Fox is pretty conservative, and at this point his thinking is let's get the ball reliably every time and get in Peyton's hands. It's not exactly a crazy thought process. But I would predict that by the middle of the season he will have enough confidence in someone like Bolden to put them back there.
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:26 AM   #43
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Bringing in Leonhard only when we have the lead would seem like the solution. I dont buy that Decker is our next best option either.
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:32 AM   #44
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Will everyone be ok with fumbles once in a while, allowing teams to score off of our ST mistakes? That is what an inexperienced returner will give us, possibly a good return here or there, maybe one TD all year. I don't think it's worth it as long as Leonard (however you spell it) is catching balls and making good decisions.
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Watch we put someone else back there...then they muff a punt and everyone here will be calling for Leonhard
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No I said do you think that if we had Harvin he would just take a knee?
By saying that, you are inferring that that's all we're doing now. We're not. If it's returnable, it's being returned. Hence the 6 returns Bolden already has....which is WAAAAY ahead of our rate of returnable kicks last year. We're not simply kneeling each and every time. Almost all of our touchbacks are in the back of the EZ or through it. Harvin wouldn't make much difference there. And since he's unavailable, I'd ask for who you'd like to see back there that could do better.

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Our leading guy last year had 17 returns, we are on pace for more then that and I don't think Bolden is that good.
Our leading guy last year had 8, not 17. Where are you getting 17 from?

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The original post about kick return game was asking for a better guy back there returning kicks and Rock and you said it wasn't needed.
I didn't say it "wasn't needed." What I said was, it should be the lowest priority on our list of positions that need improving. Why? Because they effect, on average, two plays per game. I can't think of a less important position right now. And unless one of the absolute top 2 or 3 kick returners in the league suddenly become available on the cheap, or they move the kickoff spot back to the 30, I don't see that changing any time soon.

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he fumbled a kick and got cut the same week right?
Yeah.

Here's the deal on Leonhard returning; Fox knows he has Peyton Manning back there. They aren't going to get a lot of returns anyway playing half the games at altitude. They figure go with the safe choice will always make the right read on the punt (fair catch, no catch, etc.), always catch it and probably not get a lot of yardage and lean on your HOF QB. It would be more explosive to put a younger guy back there, sure. But he's also more likely mis-read the ball, or worse, turn it over in our own territory.
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Old 10-01-2012, 09:31 AM   #49
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You know what, its a damn good day when everyone is crying over the lack of a punt returner in DEN after smoking the raiders by the second largest margin in their history

DEN needs better ST's play overall, but it gets put on the backburner every year. Priorities overweigh the upgrading. Fortunately, they are actually playing a little better than the NFL average this year, even with the altitude in home games.

However, its nice to see an active thread like this after a SUN shellacking!
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Watch we put someone else back there...then they muff a punt and everyone here will be calling for Leonhard
I agree, be happy we are not turning it over.

This guy is perfect for Fox, he can secure the ball, gain a few positive yards and then put a HOF QB back on the field.

Maybe if we were stuck with Gator boy again this year I could see the need for a burner but PM will get us our Points.
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