American Air Boss Speaks Softly, Carries Stick

[Jetland]

Originally Posted by lonestar

blah blah blah..

I'm guessing STILL absolutely nothing of value you to say

I am begging you to at least read anything you type twice before you hit send. Do a quick double check to make sure it bears some resemblance to an actual complete thought.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by lonestar

blah blah blah..

I'm guessing STILL absolutely nothing of value you to say

Gotta L0L @ chuckleheads who put people on ignore only to continue responding to their posts.

You're obsessed.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Jetland

I am begging you to at least read anything you type twice before you hit send. Do a quick double check to make sure it bears some resemblance to an actual complete thought.

Trust me - you're setting the bar WAY too high for lonestar.

[lonestar]

blah blah blah..

I'm guessing, you STILL absolutely nothing of value you to say..

[Jetland]

Originally Posted by lonestar

blah blah blah..

I'm guessing, you STILL absolutely nothing of value you to say..

blah blah blah
I'm guessing, you still HAVE absolutely no idea how to form a thought then type that thought in a manner which can be read by humans.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by lonestar

the unions for the airlines much like the auto company's are out of touch with the Real world..

In the past strikes crippled both industries and then the money became bloated..

Now that said I really want the best pilot in the world driving the planes I'm on..

but to hear that these poor guys are going to have to be away from home 20 days of the month sorry but the money your making justifies that issue..

most people would love to have 10-11 days off a month.. at home with momma.. There are all sorts of regs that the FEDs have in place for crew rest, most flights over say 8 hours the pilots rotate out of the cockpit for a nap..
On longer flights say from NY to Asia there are two crews to make the flight each direction..

sometimes in life you can't have your cake and eat it also..

Let your union hating ass go until I read this. I work there and we gave up in 2003 .... 18.5 % in wage and benefit concessions only to find they recently gave the board a round of bonuses.

You know they are more important than labor and so they got bonuses while we got concessions.

They have given rounds of bonuses to the board since then ........ the union convinced maintenance to accept another concessionary contract because they were scared of the judge and rightly so........labor always gets the shaft.

But seems odd the concessionary contract was passed by a 50.25%
margin ? Really........

Point here is lonestar hates union and labor and knows nothing about American Airlines other than what he reads in ther media and makes up in his labor hating mind.

I work there. The CEO we had for the last 10 years refused to take us to bankruptcy court because of what we gave up in 03.

We had done our part......bankruptcy was there way to get what they wanted and put all the blame on labor AGAIN...............

Board got rid of CEO who was on our side and in came the latest one who IMMEDIATELY took us into bankruptcy.

Greedy bastards have 4 billion in assets in parent company.

Labor did its part like other airlines who had a concessionary contract and are now profitable.

This rests squarely with management ................

**** you lonestar................still got my pension !

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Let your union hating ass go until I read this. I work there and we gave up in 2003 .... 18.5 % in wage and benefit concessions only to find they recently gave the board a round of bonuses.

You know they are more important than labor and so they got bonuses while we got concessions.

They have given rounds of bonuses to the board since then ........ the union convinced maintenance to accept another concessionary contract because they were scared of the judge and rightly so........labor always gets the shaft.

But seems odd the concessionary contract was passed by a 50.25%
margin ? Really........

Point here is lonestar hates union and labor and knows nothing about American Airlines other than what he reads in ther media and makes up in his labor hating mind.

I work there. The CEO we had for the last 10 years refused to take us to bankruptcy court because of what we gave up in 03.

We had done our part......bankruptcy was there way to get what they wanted and put all the blame on labor AGAIN...............

Board got rid of CEO who was on our side and in came the latest one who IMMEDIATELY took us into bankruptcy.

Greedy bastards have 4 billion in assets in parent company.

Labor did its part like other airlines who had a concessionary contract and are now profitable.

This rests squarely with management ................

**** you lonestar................still got my pension !

The CEO was clearly wrong as it took the board just a few minutes to declared bankruptcy after they fired his ass.. well a little longer than that but not much..

The CEO had a fiduciary responsibility to the stock holders as well as the rest of the employees of the company, to take action and he did not.. fired for cause....


I do not deny that concessions were made in the early 2000's but obliviously it was not enough.. as for the management taking bonuses I find it strange you would stick up for the CEO for not doing his job while taking bonuses..

As I have made clear on hundreds of posts over the years, Unions are blooding suckers that rarely accomplish much other than take hard earned money from the workers.. a case in point is American Airlines..

As for that supposed $4 billion being held by AMR, it is part of the bankruptcy info that has been filed with the courts.. it is included in the financial statements filed with them and even with them at the time of the filing

In its bankruptcy petition filed in Manhattan, AMR reported assets of $24.72 billion and liabilities of $29.55 billion. The company has $4.1 billion in cash.

Since the $4.1 Billion is an asset it is already figured in the asset column.

Simple math shows..

+24.55
-29.55
=====
-4.83

That means AA is in the hole moron, even including the $4 billion your raving about.... without it it would be -$8,730,000,000 in the hole..

not counting this which adds even more to the debt....

American plans to operate normally while in bankruptcy, but the Chapter 11 filing could punch a hole in the pensions of roughly 130,000 workers and retirees.

AMR pension plans are $10 billion short of what the carrier owes, and any default could be the largest in U.S. history, government pension insurers estimated.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AS0T220111130


Pardon me all to hell if I take the word of a federal bankruptcy Judge over the malarkey your union is feeding you..

Not to mention I have lots of friends that work for AA here in ELP, LAX as well as other airlines..SO while I may not have your union reps perspective I have theirs as well as what I do read in the papers .. I follow the aviation industry a lot and have worked at or near airports or dealt with the airlines in some manner for over 40 years..

While I feel sorry about what has happened at AA every airline has had to go through Bankruptcy at least once.. just so happens it was AA time..

I think most logical and reasonable posters get that your on the wrong end of this very crappy stick..

[Jetmeck]

[QUOTE=lonestar;3681815]The CEO was clearly wrong as it took the board just a few minutes to declared bankruptcy after they fired his ass.. well a little longer than that but not much..

The CEO had a fiduciary responsibility to the stock holders as well as the rest of the employees of the company, to take action and he did not.. fired for cause....


I do not deny that concessions were made in the early 2000's but obliviously it was not enough.. as for the management taking bonuses I find it strange you would stick up for the CEO for not doing his job while taking bonuses..

As I have made clear on hundreds of posts over the years, Unions are blooding suckers that rarely accomplish much other than take hard earned money from the workers.. a case in point is American Airlines..

As for that supposed $4 billion being held by AMR, it is part of the bankruptcy info that has been filed with the courts.. it is included in the financial statements filed with them and even with them at the time of the filing


Since the $4.1 Billion is an asset it is already figured in the asset column.

Simple math shows..

+24.55
-29.55
=====
-4.83

That means AA is in the hole moron, even including the $4 billion your raving about.... without it it would be -$8,730,000,000 in the hole..

not counting this which adds even more to the debt....




http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AS0T220111130


Pardon me all to hell if I take the word of a federal bankruptcy Judge over the malarkey your union is feeding you..

Not to mention I have lots of friends that work for AA here in ELP, LAX as well as other airlines..SO while I may not have your union reps perspective I have theirs as well as what I do read in the papers .. I follow the aviation industry a lot and have worked at or near airports or dealt with the airlines in some manner for over 40 years..

While I feel sorry about what has happened at AA every airline has had to go through Bankruptcy at least once.. just so happens it was AA time..

I think most logical and reasonable posters get that your on the wrong end of this very crappy stick..[/QUO





4 billion in assets are there..............the rest is shady accounting.

Every other airline who took paycuts is making money.

WE already gave enough, **** the share holders,,,,jobs are more importANT.


"Unions are blood suckers"...........saying this tells everyone here what an uneducated person you are. People died for workers rights and work rules that we have today.

ALL you need to know is we need unions to offset ass clowns like yourself who would **** every employee over.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQLsknPpjI

Watch this listen up......Bain capital is involved.

ASS clown like think its all labor's fault every time......your time will come.......karma


IF you wanna believe they are 8oo million in the hole fine...then tell me why they made the largest order of aircraft in history ?

Where did all that money come from ? Billions and billions ?

Seen AA lose 5oo million a year or make a billion..............so even if they were 800 million in the hole that is not an excuse to go to bankruptcy..............it was only to get concessions they wanted.

Your wrong, misinformed and telling a guy that worked there 23 years he doesn't know what going on inside his company ? labor hating ass...........you wanna blame it all on unions.

DID a union employee abuse you as a child ?

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

ALL you need to know is we need unions to offset ass clowns like yourself who would **** every employee over.

This sentence is key. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Unions, for the most part, have outlived the usefulness they once served. There are many laws in place which now render much of what they once fought for moot.

The primary purpose of unions nowadays is as a check and balance against corporations controlling all the power and abusing that power against the little guy.

Workers, both public and private, have every right to unionize, peaceably assemble, and operate in whichever way they decide is best to protect their jobs. Corporations and public entities have every right to do whatever they feel is necessary to address worker strikes and union concerns, including replacing those workers who strike.

It is no concern of mine how poorly the deals struck by companies favored those companies. They struck a deal. They signed a contract. If they go bankrupt as a result, perhaps they should have thought twice about where the money they were making was allocated. If a company goes bankrupt and thousands of union jobs are lost, it is also the fault of the union that those jobs are lost, because they should be looking out for their members. That is why in most cases, unions only strike when the members vote to do so.

Both the unions and the companies are in the same boat. You made your bed, you sleep in it.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by houghtam

This sentence is key. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Unions, for the most part, have outlived the usefulness they once served. There are many laws in place which now render much of what they once fought for moot.

The primary purpose of unions nowadays is as a check and balance against corporations controlling all the power and abusing that power against the little guy.

Workers, both public and private, have every right to unionize, peaceably assemble, and operate in whichever way they decide is best to protect their jobs. Corporations and public entities have every right to do whatever they feel is necessary to address worker strikes and union concerns, including replacing those workers who strike.

It is no concern of mine how poorly the deals struck by companies favored those companies. They struck a deal. They signed a contract. If they go bankrupt as a result, perhaps they should have thought twice about where the money they were making was allocated. If a company goes bankrupt and thousands of union jobs are lost, it is also the fault of the union that those jobs are lost, because they should be looking out for their members. That is why in most cases, unions only strike when the members vote to do so.

Both the unions and the companies are in the same boat. You made your bed, you sleep in it.

Excellent post logical and without uber emotion, unlike others in this thread..

You are absolutely correct that unions for the most part have out lived their usefulness.. are there abuses of power but that is one reason the NLRB OSHA and God only knows how many other federal agencies have been put into place..

Not to mention the redundancy of state agencies that mirror what the feds do.. and for the most part are a waste of taxpayer money..

I see them as blood suckers that accomplish little and take dues that are wasted ..

[lonestar]

American Warns of Action Against Pilot Union
September 27, 2012

American Airlines sent a letter to its pilot union late on Wednesday saying the company would seek legal action if the union fails to ensure the airline operates smoothly.

The airline has had to cancel hundreds of flights recently due to increased pilot maintenance reports and sick leave usage.

American Airlines, a unit of AMR that filed for bankruptcy in November, began implementing cost cuts for its pilots this month after a US bankruptcy judge ruled the airline could abandon its collective bargaining agreement with the pilots' union.

"We do not want to pursue a legal remedy, but we will be left with little alternative if Allied Pilots Association (APA) does not take action to stop those pilots who are intentionally harming the operation," the company said in the letter.

more at..

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1348791496.html

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

4 billion in assets are there..............the rest is shady accounting.

Every other airline who took paycuts is making money.

WE already gave enough, **** the share holders,,,,jobs are more importANT.


"Unions are blood suckers"...........saying this tells everyone here what an uneducated person you are. People died for workers rights and work rules that we have today.

ALL you need to know is we need unions to offset ass clowns like yourself who would **** every employee over.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQLsknPpjI

Watch this listen up......Bain capital is involved.

ASS clown like think its all labor's fault every time......your time will come.......karma


IF you wanna believe they are 8oo million in the hole fine...then tell me why they made the largest order of aircraft in history ?

Where did all that money come from ? Billions and billions ?

Seen AA lose 5oo million a year or make a billion..............so even if they were 800 million in the hole that is not an excuse to go to bankruptcy..............it was only to get concessions they wanted.

Your wrong, misinformed and telling a guy that worked there 23 years he doesn't know what going on inside his company ? labor hating ass...........you wanna blame it all on unions.

DID a union employee abuse you as a child ?

No where did I say it is all "labors" fault nor did I say it was the unions fault..

But like it or not the $4.1 Billion is part of the assets listed in the Bankruptcy filing..

It was not just laying around in the Board room, it was most likely used to make payroll.. since the airline seems not to be making money..

NEW YORK (CNNMoney)By Aaron Smith @CNNMoney April 19, 2012 -- The parent of American Airlines, which went into bankruptcy last year, announced a quarterly net loss of $1.7 billion on Thursday, slammed by reorganization costs and rising fuel prices.

The loss was more than quadruple the carrier's loss from a year earlier, when AMR Corp. reported a net loss of $405 million in the first quarter of 2011.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/19/news...ines/index.htm
july 2012

DALLAS — American Airlines is reaping higher fares and record revenue but still losing money.

AMR Corp. said Wednesday that it narrowed its second-quarter loss to $241 million mostly because of $230 million in costs tied to its bankruptcy restructuring. A year ago, it lost $286 million.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...s-241-million/

fourth quarter 2011.

American Airlines Parent Reports Billion-Dollar Fourth Quarter Loss

By Kate Rice
February 16, 2012 12:42 PM



AMR, parent company of American Airlines, which filed for bankruptcy in November 2011, is reporting that it lost $1.1 billion in the fourth quarter. That compares with a $97 million loss a year earlier.2010 For the full year, American said it lost $2 billion, compared to a loss of $471 million in 2010.

http://www.travelpulse.com/american-...ter-loss.html#
third quarter 2011.

AMR Reports Third Quarter 2011 Results, Takes Action To Improve Financial And Operational Performance


AMR Corporation today reported a net loss of $162 million for the third quarter of 2011 compared to a net profit of $143 million for the same period of 2010. These results reflect the adverse impact of quarter-end volatility in WTI crude oil prices and foreign exchange rates (details in full release). Altogether, these items, which the Company described on Oct. 10, increased AMR’s net loss by approximately $50 million or 15 cents per share.

In the third quarter, the Company’s overall performance was negatively impacted by fuel prices, which increased 41 percent compared to the prior year period.

https://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/news...obileUAFlag=AA

sorry amigo if you add up some of those loses I think you can probably see where that 4.1 Billion you had went..


the board had a responsibility to file for bankruptcy after the old guy kept driving the airline deeper and deeper into debt..

I know he was your unions hero but he would have killed AA..

as I have said several times I was a union member a couple of times before they passed right to work..

Each time I left a union I managed to negotiate better wages than the unions thought they could get.. Because I did not have a placard up my ass..

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by lonestar

No where did I say it is all "labors" fault nor did I say it was the unions fault..

Come on. You may not be saying it's all labor's fault, but you're being very disingenuous about it. You're implying it, by spending 95% of your posts prattling on about how unions are all bloodsuckers, yet offer little more than lip service to the other side. "Sure the CEO was crooked. ANYWAY, unionsunionsunionsunionsunionsunionsunions..."

My experience with unions has been considerably less problematic, and I would be surprised if you have more experience working with them than I do. Yes, there are problems with union management and union workers, but no more problems than with corporate management and corporate employees. It's because people run unions, and people join them. It's because people run companies and people are employed by them.

It's the same thing with faith or religion. The idea may be fine, but when you add people to the mix, you get corruption. The answer isn't just to get rid of the union or force them to bow to the corporation's demands anymore than the answer is to get rid of corporations or CEOs. Either solution is a stupid one that doesn't consider the reality of the situation.

Either side, if left unchecked, will use their power to make life better for themselves and worse the other side. That's why the existence of both sides is so important.

You can keep spouting off about how unions are bloodsuckers all you want. It doesn't make it true at all, and in my experience and in my professional opinion, unions perform just as valuable of a function as do corporations.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Come on. You may not be saying it's all labor's fault, but you're being very disingenuous about it. You're implying it, by spending 95% of your posts prattling on about how unions are all bloodsuckers, yet offer little more than lip service to the other side. "Sure the CEO was crooked. ANYWAY, unionsunionsunionsunionsunionsunionsunions..."

My experience with unions has been considerably less problematic, and I would be surprised if you have more experience working with them than I do. Yes, there are problems with union management and union workers, but no more problems than with corporate management and corporate employees. It's because people run unions, and people join them. It's because people run companies and people are employed by them.

It's the same thing with faith or religion. The idea may be fine, but when you add people to the mix, you get corruption. The answer isn't just to get rid of the union or force them to bow to the corporation's demands anymore than the answer is to get rid of corporations or CEOs. Either solution is a stupid one that doesn't consider the reality of the situation.

Either side, if left unchecked, will use their power to make life better for themselves and worse the other side. That's why the existence of both sides is so important.

You can keep spouting off about how unions are bloodsuckers all you want. It doesn't make it true at all, and in my experience and in my professional opinion, unions perform just as valuable of a function as do corporations.

Well I worked for over twenty years for major company some of it in management and can say I have lots of experience with unions on both sides of the fence..

they rpomise folks everything and rarely ever get it for them..

Hell I sat in on one negotiation while I was in LA, management bought the union reps off getting very sweetheart deal by making sure they had prime parking spaces in the parking garage and instead of giving them compact cars they got full size units..

that was all the union reps wanted they could of cared less for the members they were getting $35 a month from...


In every case where I had to fire an employee the union contract made it much easier to do than the non union one.. and the union reps rarely ever disputed a firing..



so yes I have disdain for union officials and frankly anyone that thinks that unions got hem anything extra than what the company was going to give them in the first place is probably thinking there is still a Santa Claus..

In some cases they got less that what was budgeted..

I had a crew strike my operations in Syracuse NY was out for more than 3 weeks wound up settling for a nickle less an hour than the final offer was..

all the while the lost three weeks of wages.. and my business was never better .. had businessmen going out of their way to do business with us..

Yes I think union reps are blood suckers..

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Well I worked for over twenty years for major company some of it in management and can say I have lots of experience with unions on both sides of the fence..

they rpomise folks everything and rarely ever get it for them..

Hell I sat in on one negotiation while I was in LA, management bought the union reps off getting very sweetheart deal by making sure they had prime parking spaces in the parking garage and instead of giving them compact cars they got full size units..

that was all the union reps wanted they could of cared less for the members they were getting $35 a month from...


In every case where I had to fire an employee the union contract made it much easier to do than the non union one.. and the union reps rarely ever disputed a firing..



so yes I have disdain for union officials and frankly anyone that thinks that unions got hem anything extra than what the company was going to give them in the first place is probably thinking there is still a Santa Claus..

In some cases they got less that what was budgeted..

I had a crew strike my operations in Syracuse NY was out for more than 3 weeks wound up settling for a nickle less an hour than the final offer was..

all the while the lost three weeks of wages.. and my business was never better .. had businessmen going out of their way to do business with us..

Yes I think union reps are blood suckers..

So would you care to revise your statement that you don't think it's labor or unions' fault then? Because it sure seems to me they are the only ones you're blaming. At least then you'll only be incorrect, instead of being incorrect and a liar.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by houghtam

So would you care to revise your statement that you don't think it's labor or unions' fault then? Because it sure seems to me they are the only ones you're blaming. At least then you'll only be incorrect, instead of being incorrect and a liar.

no think what you want.. I know what I know.. in this case AA was handled horribly for very long time with fat cat contracts that they could not possibly sustain.. Especially in todays market..

I also know that they would not have been granted bankruptcy if it was not true..

I'm going to sleep like a baby tonight..

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by lonestar

I'm going to sleep like a baby tonight..

If the shoe fits...

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by houghtam

If the shoe fits...

sorry I'm not sleeping in a shoe.. while I have big feet can't fit the whole body in one..



but good try..

[lonestar]

Southern Air Files For Bankruptcy Protection
September 28, 2012

US cargo airline Southern Air has applied for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, a court filing on Friday showed, as the company experienced cash shortages because of its deteriorating financial condition.

Southern Air's parent, Southern Air Holdings, said in a filing that as the financial situation continued to deteriorate "it became evident that secured debt and certain lease obligations must be restructured to address the situation."

Parent Southern Air Holdings has also filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

For the 12 months ended July 31 2012, Southern Air clocked up revenue of about USD$428.2 million and a net loss of USD$159.8 million. And on that date, the company had assets of about USD$206.9 million and liabilities of about USD$486.5 million.

read more at
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1348834694.html
much the same as AA.. in the hole assets to liabilities..

AA also needed to dump a bunch of old planes they had leased just like this company although AAs fleet is much older..


it was brought up in an earlier post that AA had bought new planes while in Bankruptcy it was necessary and HAD to have the JUDGE approve it..

their old fleet of MD80-88s sucked and were very fuel inefficient..

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by lonestar

read more at
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1348834694.html
much the same as AA.. in the hole assets to liabilities..

AA also needed to dump a bunch of old planes they had leased just like this company although AAs fleet is much older..


it was brought up in an earlier post that AA had bought new planes while in Bankruptcy it was necessary and HAD to have the JUDGE approve it..

their old fleet of MD80-88s sucked and were very fuel inefficient..

Yepperr....plenty of dough for new planes but they are broke...not !

I work there for decades......................labor has already done there part.............talk to speculators and oil companies.

AA is not in the hole.................your wrong.

You don't have inside info.............

They got billions for aircraft but nothing for labor to keep them in the air ? Prob sounds right in your world..............

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by lonestar

no think what you want.. I know what I know.. in this case AA was handled horribly for very long time with fat cat contracts that they could not possibly sustain.. Especially in todays market..

I also know that they would not have been granted bankruptcy if it was not true..

I'm going to sleep like a baby tonight..

Here is the truth...........you don't know chit.

I work there and we gave up 18.5 % in wages and benefits for the last ten years.

Fat contracts for the largest order of aircraft in history but damn sure not labor.

Full of chit is what you are.

Bankruptcy courts almost always take the companies side.


Other airline employees took concessions and now they are profitable.

This is management failure but your labor, union hating ass will never admit it.

4 billion in cash and assets...............

I got my pension...................

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Well I worked for over twenty years for major company some of it in management and can say I have lots of experience with unions on both sides of the fence..

they rpomise folks everything and rarely ever get it for them..

Hell I sat in on one negotiation while I was in LA, management bought the union reps off getting very sweetheart deal by making sure they had prime parking spaces in the parking garage and instead of giving them compact cars they got full size units..

that was all the union reps wanted they could of cared less for the members they were getting $35 a month from...


In every case where I had to fire an employee the union contract made it much easier to do than the non union one.. and the union reps rarely ever disputed a firing..



so yes I have disdain for union officials and frankly anyone that thinks that unions got hem anything extra than what the company was going to give them in the first place is probably thinking there is still a Santa Claus..

In some cases they got less that what was budgeted..

I had a crew strike my operations in Syracuse NY was out for more than 3 weeks wound up settling for a nickle less an hour than the final offer was..

all the while the lost three weeks of wages.. and my business was never better .. had businessmen going out of their way to do business with us..

Yes I think union reps are blood suckers..

lies.....................pure and simple..............you think for one minute anybody believes a union employee is easier to fire than a non union
employee ? Just happens to be one of the founding principles of unionization.............you can't just fire someone arbitrarily.

ass clown idiot

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by lonestar

No where did I say it is all "labors" fault nor did I say it was the unions fault..

But like it or not the $4.1 Billion is part of the assets listed in the Bankruptcy filing..

It was not just laying around in the Board room, it was most likely used to make payroll.. since the airline seems not to be making money..


http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/19/news...ines/index.htm
july 2012


http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...s-241-million/

fourth quarter 2011.



http://www.travelpulse.com/american-...ter-loss.html#
third quarter 2011.




https://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/news...obileUAFlag=AA

sorry amigo if you add up some of those loses I think you can probably see where that 4.1 Billion you had went..


the board had a responsibility to file for bankruptcy after the old guy kept driving the airline deeper and deeper into debt..

I know he was your unions hero but he would have killed AA..

as I have said several times I was a union member a couple of times before they passed right to work..

Each time I left a union I managed to negotiate better wages than the unions thought they could get.. Because I did not have a placard up my ass..

Listen up asswipe, ever heard of a prospectus. ??

I am a shareholder and those numbers are bull****...............just like you.

[Jetmeck]

lonestar has an axe to grind over something...........

He is republican and even on labor issues he will lie to
try to make a point.

Bet he voted for Bush twice though he not man enough to admit it ?

Unions got us laws and work rules we all take for granted these days and they
prevent someone from firing you over nothing, in other words you get due process.

Without unions pay would be less and benefits as well.

If nothing else they are a force to be reckoned with in politics, a force that is on the working person's side.

Bet that last part pisses off lonestar's republican ass.

That force of labor and unions on the working person's side is winning the battle
even against the onslaught of money on the republican side with Adelman and Koch brothers.....bet that really really pisses lonestar off.............................


Eat it................jagoff

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Well I worked for over twenty years for major company some of it in management and can say I have lots of experience with unions on both sides of the fence..

they rpomise folks everything and rarely ever get it for them..

Hell I sat in on one negotiation while I was in LA, management bought the union reps off getting very sweetheart deal by making sure they had prime parking spaces in the parking garage and instead of giving them compact cars they got full size units..

that was all the union reps wanted they could of cared less for the members they were getting $35 a month from...


In every case where I had to fire an employee the union contract made it much easier to do than the non union one.. and the union reps rarely ever disputed a firing..



so yes I have disdain for union officials and frankly anyone that thinks that unions got hem anything extra than what the company was going to give them in the first place is probably thinking there is still a Santa Claus..

In some cases they got less that what was budgeted..

I had a crew strike my operations in Syracuse NY was out for more than 3 weeks wound up settling for a nickle less an hour than the final offer was..

all the while the lost three weeks of wages.. and my business was never better .. had businessmen going out of their way to do business with us..

Yes I think union reps are blood suckers..

Seriously anyone following along needs to read the above outrageous lies..............and realize who we are dealing with here.

Republican douche...........