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Old 09-20-2012, 09:12 PM   #951
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I'm not sure you can really blame Eric Berry?

He's clearly not recovered from his knee injury, just like Jamaal.

The Chiefs are just a mess right now though. Pioli has to be fired after this year with the way things are going. The fans are done with Clark and he knows it. This team continues playing like this and Clark's gonna see multiple blackouts in November and December when it's cold and wet outside.
All this I can agree with. Except firing Pioli. He needs a few more years to polish Cassel into a elite franchise killing machine
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:45 PM   #952
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All this I can agree with. Except firing Pioli. He needs a few more years to polish Cassel into a elite franchise killing machine
I just don't see how Pioli stays after this year? The Chiefs and their fans have completely lost touch. It's like everybody has finally woke up and realized that we just can't take anymore.

I think Clark wants to win. He doesn't have that burning passion that you see from owners like Jerry Jones which is sad.
Pioli was a grand slam hire in the eyes of the entire league in 2009. But now it's just sad.

I never, ever, ever, ever, EVER thought I would say this, but I would take King Carl over this catastrophe right now. It's just sad.

Kansas City has some of the most loyal fans in all of sports, and they get spat on every year.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:16 PM   #953
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Things can change quickly in the NFL. KC wins @NO and they're still going to have a very excited stadium against SD the following week. As much as I'd love for it to become a two team race between us and SD, wouldn't count out KC yet.

I'd be surprised to see Pioli get fired as well, simply because he supposedly does a good job making money for the team, or that seems to be the belief (by those that think they're in the know like Kent Babb, Sam Mellinger, etc)

Still, if the team continues to get embarrassed and they have a 0-2 win season, it's possible. If fans stop going to games, it is possible.
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if Cassel beats an elite QB on the road, I'll leave the Mane forever
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:24 PM   #955
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At least I saw all this suck coming this year.

Feels good to be right at least.
Bull****. You "predicted" the suck just to cover your bases. If they sucked, you could make the above post. If they were good, you could ignore your prior prediction and bathe in the glory of not sucking. Win-win for you, eh Boob?
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if Cassel beats an elite QB on the road, I'll leave the Mane forever
And who do you consider an "elite" QB?
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:27 PM   #957
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Things can change quickly in the NFL. KC wins @NO and they're still going to have a very excited stadium against SD the following week. As much as I'd love for it to become a two team race between us and SD, wouldn't count out KC yet.

I'd be surprised to see Pioli get fired as well, simply because he supposedly does a good job making money for the team, or that seems to be the belief (by those that think they're in the know like Kent Babb, Sam Mellinger, etc)

Still, if the team continues to get embarrassed and they have a 0-2 win season, it's possible. If fans stop going to games, it is possible.
I live in Kansas City and I can tell you people are fed up. There are the occasional fans who just go because they love to watch, but I can tell you that there is some serious tension between the Chiefs and their fans. Mellinger and Babb's columns, along with Fescoe's rant, have been far more talked about than the Saints game.
The fans are just tired of it. Arrowhead might be mostly full next weekend, but if this keeps up, Clark is losing money because people aren't showing up in the later part of the season.
It happened in 2008 and it will certainly happen again.
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Most games I'd agree. But don't think this game is as much about Cassel as it is the two defenses. Both are terrible, and Cassel will have openings down field the whole game. Granted he sucks, and I doubt he wills KC to victory... but he's never going to get a better opportunity to get a road win against an elite QB, then this.
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I live in Kansas City and I can tell you people are fed up. There are the occasional fans who just go because they love to watch, but I can tell you that there is some serious tension between the Chiefs and their fans. Mellinger and Babb's columns, along with Fescoe's rant, have been far more talked about than the Saints game.
The fans are just tired of it. Arrowhead might be mostly full next weekend, but if this keeps up, Clark is losing money because people aren't showing up in the later part of the season.
It happened in 2008 and it will certainly happen again.
Yeah, they're definitely mad and if it continues, then something will be done. I still think KC has too much talent to be a 0-3 win team though, which is probably what it would take for real change to happen in KC

If KC gets 7-9 wins, fans are still going to be there to support them... even if there chances of winning the title in the near future are basically zero
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Bull****. You "predicted" the suck just to cover your bases. If they sucked, you could make the above post. If they were good, you could ignore your prior prediction and bathe in the glory of not sucking. Win-win for you, eh Boob?
I spent the entire offseason at Chiefsplanet pounding it into people's heads that we were a 7-9 team.
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:52 AM   #961
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yeah, bob has been surprisingly rational all off-season with a dim outlook on the 2012 chiefs.
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yeah, bob has been surprisingly rational all off-season with a dim outlook on the 2012 chiefs.
Sadly, I dont think it is rationality at all. I think Boob is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome from spending so much time on the Mane.
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Did you fight in World War 2 as well?
You're thinking of the Chiefs' last playoff appearance.

If this guy saw their SB, he must've fought in the Civil War...
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:33 AM   #965
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The Chiefs play has surprised me a little. I expected play like the Browns had. Lots of close games, but losing most of them. I knew Crennel would make the team soft, but I didn't expect it this soon.
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The Chiefs play has surprised me a little. I expected play like the Browns had. Lots of close games, but losing most of them. I knew Crennel would make the team soft, but I didn't expect it this soon.
Just wait, it is only a matter of time until Crennel turns back the clock and starts Quinn.
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Just wait, it is only a matter of time until Crennel turns back the clock and starts Quinn.
He is going to be turning that dial back a long time to find a time when Quinn was worth a broke dick at QB.
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I doubt Pioli gets fired after this season, no matter what the record is for kc. Cassel will be dumped of course but then kc will either have to draft a first round QB or bring in a FA QB. I doubt kc ownership will want to start over with a new FO during this time period. More likely Pioli will be responsible for bringing in the right QB and the right coach to make it all work.

Now, if I was kc ownership I'd fire Pioli and his nazi ways. I'd hire a seasoned GM who could help me assemble a great coaching staff and draft a franchise QB.

I really do hope kc drafts Barkley. I think he's another USC fool's gold first round QB bust. Plus, his name is Matt as in Matt Lienart, Matt Cassel, Matt Millan, so many winner Matts it's just gotta work, right?
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I doubt Pioli gets fired after this season, no matter what the record is for kc. Cassel will be dumped of course but then kc will either have to draft a first round QB or bring in a FA QB. I doubt kc ownership will want to start over with a new FO during this time period. More likely Pioli will be responsible for bringing in the right QB and the right coach to make it all work.

Now, if I was kc ownership I'd fire Pioli and his nazi ways. I'd hire a seasoned GM who could help me assemble a great coaching staff and draft a franchise QB.

I really do hope kc drafts Barkley. I think he's another USC fool's gold first round QB bust. Plus, his name is Matt as in Matt Lienart, Matt Cassel, Matt Millan, so many winner Matts it's just gotta work, right?
You ever sat there in just think, maybe arrowhead is build on top of a old big graveyard
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^ Matt Millen was a HoF player, fyi...
He's in the HoF? I don't think so. Might be wrong though.
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He's in the HoF? I don't think so. Might be wrong though.
No he isn't. He had a nice long career and won four SBs. Still was all pro twice and made the pro bowl only once in 12 years.
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^ Matt Millen was a HoF player, fyi...
yah but he sucked as a GM...
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Nice catch, guys. My bad and repped.

Regardless, the point remains!
As a player he doesn't have anything to be ashamed of that's forsure.
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I doubt Pioli gets fired after this season, no matter what the record is for kc. Cassel will be dumped of course but then kc will either have to draft a first round QB or bring in a FA QB. I doubt kc ownership will want to start over with a new FO during this time period. More likely Pioli will be responsible for bringing in the right QB and the right coach to make it all work.

Now, if I was kc ownership I'd fire Pioli and his nazi ways. I'd hire a seasoned GM who could help me assemble a great coaching staff and draft a franchise QB.

I really do hope kc drafts Barkley. I think he's another USC fool's gold first round QB bust. Plus, his name is Matt as in Matt Lienart, Matt Cassel, Matt Millan, so many winner Matts it's just gotta work, right?
Right now it's looking like the ceiling is 4 wins, not the floor.
I severely doubt Clark is gonna let Pioli have 3 head coaches in 2 years time. Plus I think Clark would hate paying 3 coaches at the same time, while still paying Pioli the most money of any GM in the league. Clark would save money by getting rid of Pioli.

I know some of you won't believe this, but I think Clark is a good owner. I think he does care and has shown that he won't tolerate no results when he forced Carl to resign.
People say that Clark is cheap, but Clark has given his checkbook to Pioli. He's cleared him to spend money. Pioli is just using that money on the wrong players (Cassel and Jackson are fine examples).

I think the big question is "who could Pioli hire next"? Nobody wanted to work with him this last offseason. Pioli is known as a rude power hungry GM.
The only coaches he's brought in were from his Patriots tree and father-in-law. He only has the Patriots tree left, so the only Patriots coach he could replace Romeo with would be Josh McDaniels, and there is no way Pioli would hire him. He thought about it in January and knew that nobody in this town would support it.
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Right now it's looking like the ceiling is 4 wins, not the floor.
I severely doubt Clark is gonna let Pioli have 3 head coaches in 2 years time. Plus I think Clark would hate paying 3 coaches at the same time, while still paying Pioli the most money of any GM in the league. Clark would save money by getting rid of Pioli.

I know some of you won't believe this, but I think Clark is a good owner. I think he does care and has shown that he won't tolerate no results when he forced Carl to resign.
People say that Clark is cheap, but Clark has given his checkbook to Pioli. He's cleared him to spend money. Pioli is just using that money on the wrong players (Cassel and Jackson are fine examples).

I think the big question is "who could Pioli hire next"? Nobody wanted to work with him this last offseason. Pioli is known as a rude power hungry GM.
The only coaches he's brought in were from his Patriots tree and father-in-law. He only has the Patriots tree left, so the only Patriots coach he could replace Romeo with would be Josh McDaniels, and there is no way Pioli would hire him. He thought about it in January and knew that nobody in this town would support it.
fair enough, I guess you all are stuck with Crennel until Haley is off the books.
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