Rahim Moore is Awful

[Action]

Let me also add, I've watched the play numerous times... I don't know where Moore came from, I need to see coach cam from up top, but he's already running towards Julio as the ball is in the air.

[R8R H8R]

If JDR agrees with the assessment of Moore's critics, that he "sucks", he will bench him. Allen did it last year, and JDR will not hesitate to do it this year if he thinks he can improve the team by replacing him.

Until then, we can assume that he is giving Moore some leway for growing pains--just like they would do if he was a QB or LT or any other position that takes time to learn at the pro level.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Originally Posted by R8R H8R

If JDR agrees with the assessment of Moore's critics, that he "sucks", he will bench him. Allen did it last year, and JDR will not hesitate to do it this year if he thinks he can improve the team by replacing him.

Until then, we can assume that he is giving Moore some leway for growing pains--just like they would do if he was a QB or LT or any other position that takes time to learn at the pro level.

Rahim has oodles of talent. But he can't tackle, can't catch, has poor positioning and ball skills. Talented guy, no skill.

In short, he is the Tim Tebow of safeties.

[Bmore Manning]

Originally Posted by Action

If you can't figure out who the blown coverage was on, then your analysis of anything, let alone Moore being the problem on that play, is completely invalid.

Does a better safety make the play? MAYBE. But no one is saying Moore is an elite Safety.

So if you need to use someone like Ed Reed to make your point, you obviously are completely missing the point of what people are saying.

Think you should read what I wrote earlier. I can name young safety's who drive to the ball better than Moore. That's the problem that you don't know where he came from.. What is he doing out of the play initially? The play is in front of him not behind him. Seriously what about Moore's game gives ringing praise to being a starter? I wish Moore played with MORE heart, intelligence, poise, and tenacity.. At some point physical attributes being relied upon only has got to go!

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Bmore Manning

Think you should read what I wrote earlier. I can name young safety's who drive to the ball better than Moore. That's the problem that you don't know where he came from.. What is he doing out of the play initially? The play is in front of him not behind him. Seriously what about Moore's game gives ringing praise to being a starter? I wish Moore played with MORE heart, intelligence, poise, and tenacity.. At some point physical attributes being relied upon only has got to go!

I think it was Jones who caught the pass and he was completely uncovered. There was no one around him, he crossed over the middle and caught the ball with room to spare. Now, who's is supposed to either cover Jones or cover that zone area? Is that the LBer's responsibility? If it's man, no way, you don't put a LBer on Jones. Was it a zone coverage gaff? If so, then maybe Moore is not to blame so much.

[Lestat]

he's improved a lot since last season. his play recognition isn't where it needs to be but he's a damn sight better at tackling than last year and he's in spots to make plays on the ball.

he's got improvements to make for sure, but he's getting better.

[R8R H8R]

Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

Rahim has oodles of talent. But he can't tackle, can't catch, has poor positioning and ball skills. Talented guy, no skill.

In short, he is the Tim Tebow of safeties.

That is a myth this year. As has been said many times in this thread alone, this is the area he has really improved. Does he need more? Yes, of course.

However, like I said, if JDR agrees with you, then he will be replaced soon. OTOH, if JDR believes that these "oodles of talent" just need time and nurturing, then he will stay on the field as long as he is healthy to get the needed reps to allow improvement.

Besides, I'm not too sure being a "Tebow of safeties" is all that bad of a thing.

[Hamrob]

I thought Moore looked lost most of the time. He takes poor angles and is a very poor tackler.

I understand that not one play or one player can cost a team a game, but the fact is:

Had Moore made a stick tackle on 3rd down during Atl last possession. They would have had to punt with 2 minutes left in the game. Had that happened...I think we win the game.

One stick tackle...and we win. He couldn't get it done instead...he hits the guy, the guy goes forward for 3 more yards....1st down...game over.

(What Would Atwater Have Done )WWAHD.....

[Hamrob]

Originally Posted by Action

If you can't figure out who the blown coverage was on, then your analysis of anything, let alone Moore being the problem on that play, is completely invalid.

Does a better safety make the play? MAYBE. But no one is saying Moore is an elite Safety.

So if you need to use someone like Ed Reed to make your point, you obviously are completely missing the point of what people are saying.

Man, I honestly cannot see your point.

Moore is a SAFETY in the NFL. His job is to drive on the ball and STICK the receiver. The receiver made the catch and Moore got there in front of the marker. If he wraps up (you know that technique they teach you in Yaffle), then he makes the tackle in front of the marker and Atlanta has to punt. Instead, he throws himself at the receiver trying to get a knockdown...and the receiver brushes him off and dives forward past the first down marker...easily getting the 1st down. Then he smiles about it. That is bush league.

Say whatever you want....but, defending that play.........is ignorance.

[Bmore Manning]

Originally Posted by Hamrob

I thought Moore looked lost most of the time. He takes poor angles and is a very poor tackler.

I understand that not one play or one player can cost a team a game, but the fact is:

Had Moore made a stick tackle on 3rd down during Atl last possession. They would have had to punt with 2 minutes left in the game. Had that happened...I think we win the game.

One stick tackle...and we win. He couldn't get it done instead...he hits the guy, the guy goes forward for 3 more yards....1st down...game over.

(What Would Atwater Have Done )WWAHD.....

This is exactly what I was trying to convey.

[AmericanBroncFan]

Moore is getting better. Whats the alternitive? Q. Carter is slow. J. Leanard had concrete boots on his punt returns. Moore has been close now in two games to making game changing plays.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by AmericanBroncFan

Moore is getting better. Whats the alternitive? Q. Carter is slow. J. Leanard had concrete boots on his punt returns. Moore has been close now in two games to making game changing plays.

In the 4.5s is plenty fast for a safety.

[oubronco]

I still believe Quintin Carter is better and would rather have a sure tackler who can catch in there

[Broncos4Life]

Bottom line is, Moore is not a play-maker, and is not as advertised. He was supposed to be the ballhawk of the draft. So far all he's been is a gifted athlete with bad instincts. Basically a back up.

There have been many a safety on this team since the great DS and SA. Unless Moore gets his **** together and does something this year, or better, within the next 2-3 weeks, JDR has to bench him and insert someone that can make plays.

Like OU says. QC is better and he can tackle and catch. If Moore ever puts it together he'd be the best safety on the team, but as of now hes probably 3rd at best.

[Prodigal19]

Originally Posted by Broncos4Life

Bottom line is, Moore is not a play-maker, and is not as advertised. He was supposed to be the ballhawk of the draft. So far all he's been is a gifted athlete with bad instincts. Basically a back up.

There have been many a safety on this team since the great DS and SA. Unless Moore gets his **** together and does something this year, or better, within the next 2-3 weeks, JDR has to bench him and insert someone that can make plays.

Like OU says. QC is better and he can tackle and catch. If Moore ever puts it together he'd be the best safety on the team, but as of now hes probably 3rd at best.

Bottom line is that this is only his SECOND year in the NFL. Give him some time. He has obviously progressed tremendously over last year. Im not sure why you say he cant tackle, as I can only remember 1 or 2 missed tackles so far this year. His technique has improved tremendously though. As he becomes more confident with his tackling he will be able to tackle harder and more aggressively.

He proved in college that he has good hands, he just hasnt shown it in the NFL yet. Just give him some time to adjust. Once again, this is only his second year. Most safeties take a few years to gain the awareness needed to be an impact player in the NFL. QC is a good safety but Moore's ceiling is MUCH higher.

[fwf]

Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

Rahim has oodles of talent. But he can't tackle, can't catch, has poor positioning and ball skills. Talented guy, no skill.

In short, he is the Tim Tebow of safeties.

I bet Tebow could play some safety. I'd say better then Rahim "The Latrine" Moore

[24champ]

Originally Posted by Action

If you can't figure out who the blown coverage was on, then your analysis of anything, let alone Moore being the problem on that play, is completely invalid.

Does a better safety make the play? MAYBE. But no one is saying Moore is an elite Safety.

So if you need to use someone like Ed Reed to make your point, you obviously are completely missing the point of what people are saying.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by Action

We are really blaming that last play on Rahim Moore....

It's just sad what some Broncos fans see when they watch games.

Well he needed to realize situation and get jones down after that catch. It didn't matter if Atlanta picked up the first by an inch or 50 yards game was over. There was time to break and stop that first down.

[Harvitz81]

Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

Well he needed to realize situation and get jones down after that catch. It didn't matter if Atlanta picked up the first by an inch or 50 yards game was over. There was time to break and stop that first down.

Lol, and you think if Julio Jones didn't make the 1st because Rahim Drove him back that the Atlanta fans would be calling for his head as well. I mean he has to know the situation and to get a 1st there.

I feel all these Moore threads have started because he didn't stop Julio short of the 1st on that last play. You know what, Atlanta's players are paid to play as well.

Without seeing the whole field, who even knows who is responsible for covering Jones. It was a 3 yard crossing route with our LBs blitzing. Is that the Safety? Nickel corner? Hell, maybe Moore was playing the deep end and came up all the way recognizing the route and just didn't have time to close fast enough.

Moore has been decent so far. He is tackling better and seems to be around the ball more than last year. Christ, this is only what - his 5th or 6th started game? Classic OM calling for a draftees head before they have time to adjust to the speed of the NFL.

Me, I'll wait until the end of year 3 and place judgement then. Just look at Beadles - last year and the year prior people were calling for a replacement. Now he is playing really well and is a solid starter. Give it time people.

[vancejohnson82]

Originally Posted by Harvitz81

Lol, and you think if Julio Jones didn't make the 1st because Rahim Drove him back that the Atlanta fans would be calling for his head as well. I mean he has to know the situation and to get a 1st there.

I feel all these Moore threads have started because he didn't stop Julio short of the 1st on that last play. You know what, Atlanta's players are paid to play as well.

Without seeing the whole field, who even knows who is responsible for covering Jones. It was a 3 yard crossing route with our LBs blitzing. Is that the Safety? Nickel corner? Hell, maybe Moore was playing the deep end and came up all the way recognizing the route and just didn't have time to close fast enough.

Moore has been decent so far. He is tackling better and seems to be around the ball more than last year. Christ, this is only what - his 5th or 6th started game? Classic OM calling for a draftees head before they have time to adjust to the speed of the NFL.

Me, I'll wait until the end of year 3 and place judgement then. Just look at Beadles - last year and the year prior people were calling for a replacement. Now he is playing really well and is a solid starter. Give it time people.

A number of us on this board watch the games and inspect plays a lot deeper than I think you are giving them credit for. The last play was nothing more than one play in a series of plays that Rahim Moore was a step too slow in closing on throughout the course of the game. As many have noted, it is because he may not fully trust his instincts yet, or he is late to recognize players coming into his zone. He was also late getting to his assignments on a few occassions Monday night too. Here's a hint for breaking down a defensive back's performance in very simple terms. If he is constantly making tackles on guys in front of him 1.5 seconds after the catch, it means he did not have a good break or was slow to recognize how the pattern was unfolding.

There really isn't a large contingent "calling for his head," just pointing out that one of our 2nd rounders is still not developed. In my opinion, he shoudl be further along at this point, but that is debatable.

If I had to rate his game on Monday it would be an "A"

for "awful"

[Bmore Manning]

Originally Posted by Harvitz81

Lol, and you think if Julio Jones didn't make the 1st because Rahim Drove him back that the Atlanta fans would be calling for his head as well. I mean he has to know the situation and to get a 1st there.

I feel all these Moore threads have started because he didn't stop Julio short of the 1st on that last play. You know what, Atlanta's players are paid to play as well.

Without seeing the whole field, who even knows who is responsible for covering Jones. It was a 3 yard crossing route with our LBs blitzing. Is that the Safety? Nickel corner? Hell, maybe Moore was playing the deep end and came up all the way recognizing the route and just didn't have time to close fast enough.

That's exactly what he is saying as well as several of us. Moore had no business being in position to play a deeper throw when the play is at the marker, not down the field.

I don't care how you twist it, the play is for the qb is to complete the pass, ideally for a first, and keep the clock moving! This means short pass to move the chains! Otherwise they kill as much clock as they can to make it harder on Manning, what does that mean? High Percentage Completition.. SHORT PASS! If he completes the pass for 7 or 17, you lose either way! The QB is going for the high percentage play! Again.. Short pass! So Moore should have been driving forward from the snap. And when he got there, he didn't make the stick, which was the theme for him throughout the night.

[teknic]

Anyone starting to change their minds about Rahim Moore yet?

I've seen noticeable improvement from him this year, he's starting to play well.

[vancejohnson82]

Originally Posted by teknic

Anyone starting to change their minds about Rahim Moore yet?

I've seen noticeable improvement from him this year, he's starting to play well.

definitely improving...i hope by the end of the season I can look back on this thread and be embarrassed that I started it

[Mediator12]

Originally Posted by teknic

Anyone starting to change their minds about Rahim Moore yet?

I've seen noticeable improvement from him this year, he's starting to play well.

Not after watching the Patriots game. Both safeties got schooled all day long and were out of position situationally for most of the game. He did make a few really nice plays, but he also made more boneheaded ones by my count.

[broncocalijohn]

While he pisses people off, seems Mays is taking most of the hits on defense. Is he improving? Yes and noticed it before this weekend but will he be someone that we can get behind knowing he will be elite? I doubt it. We come from the Dennis Smith/Steve Atwater/Lynch/Hawkins type of safety in Denver. Those guys spoiled us but it could be very much accepted come draft or free agency. Those are the type of receivers that make wide outs aligator arm the ball. Makethem scared **** to be near a safety. Moore doesn't do that nor I think he will be that type of guy.