US embassy in Libya in flames, ambassador dead

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Interesting.

I don't have the links quite yet, but several news sources are now reporting that there was a peaceful protest outside the gates to the embassy. Then a 4 car caravan pulling up with black Islamic flags and heavily armed occupants rolls down the street, busts through the gates, and goes through all four single-story buildings in the compound, shooting the place up.

NPR is reporting "A lot of the witnesses that we've spoken to — neighbors, the son of the landlord, a Libyan guard who was wounded during the first part of the attack on Tuesday night — all say there was no protest at all," Leila reports. "They say that it began as an organized attack on the consulate."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...nghazi-planned

More later.

It wasn't the movie, it was an organized 9-11 anniversary attack. I wouldn't be surprised it the movie was part of the plan.

[ghwk]

Originally Posted by elsid13

TRIPOLI (Reuters) - Libyan authorities have made four arrests in the investigation into the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in which the U.S. ambassador and three embassy staff were killed, the deputy interior minister said on Thursday.


"Four men are in custody and we are interrogating them because they are suspected of helping instigate the events at the U.S. consulate," Wanis Sharif told Reuters.
He gave no more details.


U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other Americans died after the gunmen attacked the U.S. consulate and a safe house refuge in the eastern city of Benghazi on Tuesday night. The attackers were part of a mob blaming America for a film they said insulted the Prophet Mohammad.


http://news.yahoo.com/libya-makes-ar...175308342.html

The only thing I know for sure is those four guys are having their skin peeled off a layer at a time.

[barryr]

Apparently that embassy was warned well ahead of time of a possible attack, but not much was done to prepare for it, if anything. If this was Bush, the media in a frenzy. It's Obama, so time to change the subject.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

I don't think speaking the obvious about a religion is either incitement or a hate crime - but then again simply offending certain groups is considered both, as if they have a special right to not be offended which overrides the right of free expression.

There are countless vids on YouTube of people insulting Muslims in every way imaginable, just as there are countless vids there of Muslims insulting everyone else in every way imaginable.

We should not allow Muslim chimpouts to dictate our right to free speech. If we do so we cave in to fear of violence (from a self-declared peaceful religion, no less) and allow theocratic hoodlums dictate our basic rights.

If you wouldn't allow Christians to dictate your right to free speech, why would you let Muslims?

well said,

but way beyond their means to process it.. why bother?

[Smiling Assassin27]

President sworn to uphold Constitution (yes, including the 1st amendment) goes the other way:

Richard Grenell ‏@RichardGrenell
NPR just reported that the "White House asked YouTube to pull down the film"

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

President sworn to uphold Constitution (yes, including the 1st amendment) goes the other way:

Asked?

[ant1999e]

This reminds me of my favorite Southpark episode. Appeasement at the cost of freedom isnt the solution.

The President should not ask Youtube to do anything. If they want to take it down, it's on them but pressure from the Pres isn't cool.

The movie is not the real cause of any of this. It's just an excuse. These people love to hate us. And in the case of Libya, that was a calculated attack from a terrorist organization.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by ghwk

The only thing I know for sure is those four guys are having their skin peeled off a layer at a time.

And they're probably just scapegoats...

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

This reminds me of my favorite Southpark episode. Appeasement at the cost of freedom isnt the solution.

The President should not ask Youtube to do anything. If they want to take it down, it's on them but pressure from the Pres isn't cool.

The movie is not the real cause of any of this. It's just an excuse. These people love to hate us. And in the case of Libya, that was a calculated attack from a terrorist organization.

Yup.

We keep trying to pinpoint things that we can eliminate in order to appease them and try and make them like us. It won't happen. It's two completely different world views at odds here. That will never change and they will never be happy until the entire world is Islamic.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

This reminds me of my favorite Southpark episode. Appeasement at the cost of freedom isnt the solution.

The President should not ask Youtube to do anything. If they want to take it down, it's on them but pressure from the Pres isn't cool.

The movie is not the real cause of any of this. It's just an excuse. These people love to hate us. And in the case of Libya, that was a calculated attack from a terrorist organization.

Which one?

[Smiling Assassin27]

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Which one?

Come on kid.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Come on kid.

Kid? No, I kid you not.

Was the question too difficult?

If it was a terrorist organization, which one?? I'm interested.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Kid? No, I kid you not.

Was the question too difficult?

If it was a terrorist organization, which one?? I'm interested.

Islamic Order of Djabutie Stan Ques.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Islamic Order of Djabutie Stan Ques.

So you don't know. Ok.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

So you don't know. Ok.

I like how you changed what you said...

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

I like how you changed what you said...

I enjoyed your change too.

[Mecklomaniac]

During the assault on the U.S. embassy in Egypt, demonstrators reportedly chanted “Obama! Obama! We are all Osama!” They yelled this obvious reference to Osama bin Laden as an al Qaeda-style flag was hoisted and the American flag brought down. At least one of the protesters at the anti-American rally knows a thing or two about al Qaeda: Mohammed al Zawahiri, who is the younger brother of al Qaeda’s emir, Ayman al Zawahiri.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...lt_652217.html

[DenverBrit]

3:46 PM – Today
What Was Really Behind The Benghazi Attack?

Writing in the New Yorker, Hisham Matar argues that the attack on the U.S. embassy in Libya was not motivated by the anti-Islam film making waves around the world.

No specific group claimed responsibility for the attack, which was well orchestrated and involved heavy weapons. It is thought to be the work of an extremist faction who, like the Salafis, are willing to use force to exact their will. These groups have perpetrated other similar assaults in Benghazi and elsewhere in Libya. They are utlra-religious, authoritarian groups who justify their actions through selective, corrupt, and ultimately self-serving interpretations of Islam. Under Qaddafi, they kept quiet. In the early days of the revolution some of them claimed that fighting Qaddafi was un-Islamic and conveniently issued a fatwa demanding full obedience to the ruler. This is Libya’s extreme right. And, while much is still uncertain, Tuesday’s attack appears to have been their attempt to escalate a strategy they have employed ever since the Libyan revolution overthrew Colonel Qaddafi’s dictatorship. They see in these days, in which the new Libya and its young institutions are still fragile, an opportunity to grab power. They want to exploit the impatient resentments of young people in particular in order to disrupt progress and the development of democratic institutions.

http://huff.to/R6mQOS

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

3:46 PM – Today
What Was Really Behind The Benghazi Attack?

Writing in the New Yorker, Hisham Matar argues that the attack on the U.S. embassy in Libya was not motivated by the anti-Islam film making waves around the world.


http://huff.to/R6mQOS

You mean it wasn't about the cartoon

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Here's hoping these sh*t stains meet the same fate as Bin Laden.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

You mean it wasn't about the cartoon

What cartoon??

Put the mushrooms down and step away!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

What cartoon??

Put the mushrooms down and step away!

But "yew posted a cartoon!" is one of the only "rebuttals" he knows.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

What cartoon??

Put the mushrooms down and step away!

I meant movie but I won't change what I posted.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

I meant movie but I won't change what I posted.

Hey, all I asked was if you knew which terror group staged the attack.

It seemed like a simple question.

The answer is: "I don't know."