The Death Star Begins to Crumble...

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by KCStud

Even without Suggs they are really good on defense. Suggs is said to be coming back sometime during the season.
All kinds of great players on that team. Their offense looks much better too.

They're the most talented team in the AFC.

Yeah, I think you're right. Those dudes ain't playin' around.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by KCStud

They're the most talented team in the AFC.

Maybe. But I'm far from sold on Flacco.

[KCStud]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Maybe. But I'm far from sold on Flacco.

Well he did prove he could lead a team to the SB. Unfortunately that proof went right through Lee Evans' hands.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by KCStud

Well he did prove he could lead a team to the SB. Unfortunately that proof went right through Lee Evans' hands.

what?

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

what?

last year's afc championship

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

last year's afc championship

So he lead the team to the AFC Championship, not the actual SB.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

So he lead the team to the AFC Championship, not the actual SB.

Gisele Bundchen argument to follow.

[Rother8]

Originally Posted by Broncobiv

Honestly, that left hand going down first shows Doom's class. He could have put his whole body behind it and taken him down. It's either good coaching, Doom being a good guy, or maybe it had something to do with us getting slaughtered in that game.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Gisele Bundchen argument to follow.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Rother8

Honestly, that left hand going down first shows Doom's class. He could have put his whole body behind it and taken him down. It's either good coaching, Doom being a good guy, or maybe it had something to do with us getting slaughtered in that game.

Actually, he should have put his facemask on the ball, causeing a fumble. That's how I was coached up to tackle. If Doom would have done that it would have been a fumble. Regardless, it was a thing of beauty.

[Crushaholic]

Oh, this is TOO easy. Cue Darth Vader telling the Emperor "Yes, my master"...

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1?csp=obinsite

Brady sounds like a guy who hasn't let his enormous success change the basic approach to the game. Like pleasing the coach. Mindful of performance, he maintains that ultimately he might not hold the decision of when to hang up his cleats.

He insisted -- with a straight face -- that maybe it will be Head Coach Bill Belichick's call.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Actually, he should have put his facemask on the ball, causeing a fumble. That's how I was coached up to tackle. If Doom would have done that it would have been a fumble. Regardless, it was a thing of beauty.

...Ball gets moved up and to the left (our right) at the last instant before impact.

[pricejj]

Brian Waters may be gone for good.

1. Last year, he reported the Sunday before their first game (now it's Tuesday).
2. The number he wore last year (#54) was given to Dont'a Hightower.
3. 4p.m. Eastern Time was the deadline to return to the organization in order to guarantee his $1.3M contract.
4. Basic items (shoulder pads, practice jersey) have been removed from his locker (though the nameplate remains).

Word is he wants to play for the Texans, and the Patriots are refusing to let him out of his contract.

[ozomulsion]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Doom's arms are only 32" long...Doom's best asset is 1. His leverage 2. His freaky moves.

Jones ain't got no moves...and only had 1 tackle with 1 assist in game 1. yawn

Jones is a damn stud. Have you realized that by now?

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by ozomulsion

Jones is a damn stud. Have you realized that by now?

I'm not buying the hype. He finally got his first sack of the preseason in the third game against Tampa Bay's 2nd string. Although, he is reportedly trying to learn some pass-rushing moves, so he has that going for him.

He's too weak too get past Clady. He's too slow to get past Clady. His arms are shorter than Clady's (Jones' primary athletic "attribute"), and he doesn't have any pass rush moves. He couldn't even produce at LDE at Syracuse...what makes you think he's going to do it in the NFL?

[Requiem]

Except he played RDE at Syracuse.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Except he played RDE at Syracuse.

Eh, that's what I meant...

[Requiem]

Yeah, I bet. I'm sure it was really hard for you to call him a LDE when every ****ing start of his career (and every game) was at RDE.

Probably not a typo either. As R is on one side of the keyboard and L is at the other. Methinks you probably just didn't see much of Chandler Jones play at Syracuse.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Yeah, I bet. I'm sure it was really hard for you to call him a LDE when every ****ing start of his career (and every game) was at RDE.

Probably not a typo either. As R is on one side of the keyboard and L is at the other. Methinks you probably just didn't see much of Chandler Jones play at Syracuse.

Wrong. I was thinking of Clady at LT, and typed Jones at LDE...of course he's on the right side of the DL, playing against Clady, which is RDE. Nice try though. It's pretty easy to see that you're trolling.

Jones' 2, 4, and 4.5 sacks at RDE over his career at Syracuse is no fluke. He lacks elite pass-rush ability. Compare that to Dumervil's college sack numbers at RDE.

What do you think? Do you think Jones is stud?

[Requiem]

It is pretty easy to see that you are full of **** and have not seen more than a handful of Syracuse games. Jones improved every year at Syracuse. He posted 4.5 sacks in 7 contests. You do realize he missed five games in his junior year, right?

I mean ****. You are the same person who admitted to cooling on your flavor of the week prospects because they were slimming down to play DE instead of DT. Which seemed odd, considering that's exactly what Wolfe did.

I'm calling bull**** on you actually watching Chandler Jones.

What full games did you watch of him last year? Really curious.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Patriot Way, finally exposed.

Not even Brady can make up for that crumbling roster.

Such a ****ing overrated franchise philosophy.

It has sucked everywhere it has gone but NE and ATL...and ATL succeeded because they deviated from the Patriot Way many times.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Requiem

It is pretty easy to see that you are full of **** and have not seen more than a handful of Syracuse games. Jones improved every year at Syracuse. He posted 4.5 sacks in 7 contests. You do realize he missed five games in his junior year, right?

I mean ****. You are the same person who admitted to cooling on your flavor of the week prospects because they were slimming down to play DE instead of DT. Which seemed odd, considering that's exactly what Wolfe did.

I'm calling bull**** on you actually watching Chandler Jones.

What full games did you watch of him last year? Really curious.

Pitt, UConn, and West Virginia. What games did you watch? Did you watch the last three games, in which he had zero sacks? Please don't switch your allegiance from Jerel Worthy to Chandler Jones. I was planning on relishing the Crick vs. Worthy battle this year...and for years to come.

I think Derek Wolfe will have more sacks from the UT position than Chandler Jones has at RDE...and not just because he's a Bronco.

[Requiem]

USC (he didn't play), West Virginia, Louisville and and Cincinatti. Interestingly enough, you watched games where he had his best sack efforts and even had an interception. He also had a variety of TFL in the games you watched, yet you came to the conclusion he wasn't a good player. Quite weird.

I think Jones will do well with the Patriots and end up becoming a good player in the NFL. He improved every year with the Orangemen and has an extremely high ceiling. Sky is the limit for him. And FWIW, Wolfe is starting at LDE for the Broncos and not UT and I'm pretty sure Chandler Jones is playing OLB for the Patriots.

[bronco militia]

oh yeah..and this clown is back

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Requiem

I think Jones will do well with the Patriots and end up becoming a good player in the NFL. He improved every year with the Orangemen and has an extremely high ceiling. Sky is the limit for him. And FWIW, Wolfe is starting at LDE for the Broncos and not UT and I'm pretty sure Chandler Jones is playing OLB for the Patriots.

I know Wolfe is starting at LDE. I said, Wolfe can get more sacks at UT, than Jones at RDE. I don't really like Wolfe at LDE, because it puts him on the field too much, and decreases his effectiveness on 3rd down (when we really need him).

Jones is starting RDE just like Dumervil. The Patriots now play a 4-3. Jones was mildly impressive at Syracuse, but nowhere near the draft pick that Belicheat traded up to pick him...which makes it even sweeter, because the Patriots no longer have two 1st round picks every single year. An average of 3 sacks per year as a Big East RDE is downright craptastic.

There's no doubt in my mind that Chandler Jones can be a somewhat competent NFL player, but I don't think he's the difference maker you and Patriot fans hope he becomes. He can easily get blown off the ball in the run game, and his pass-rush is nothing special. He would probably be much more effective if he put on about 30 lbs. and became a 3-4 DE.