We are the 99 Percent

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[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by alkemical

Why are Americans unable to face the fact that they have to be just as accountable in their everyday?

Back when the #Occupy protests started I had told my community that: "the goal should be #OWS (occupy wall street), Occupy_Local, then Occupy Office. You can't even get people to name their township supervisors, or who is on the school board.

America has turned into a country, that believes its own hype - but never delivers. "America, **** yeah!"

I could go on & on & ON about this. But then I sound like the guy in my 20's with the sandwich board, ringin' the bell. I'd rather just find solutions and implement them with people i can work with.

I don't know how you bypass stupidity...maybe I should use a cattle prod first. it's also some weird "spell" that keeps cognitive dissonance invisible to the "user". I don't get it either man, i don't.

Philosophy is a team sport folks.

Philosophy is NOT a team sport. Society is a team sport. Philosophy is personal, private, and individual. The minute you mandate religion or atheism you are are risk of being deceived.

Bypassing stupidity is also personal and private. Nobody gives a ****. No matter how idealistic we are as societies, ultimately, societies don't care. Think about it? How many Chinese died during WWII? We don't know because we don't care. Google is useless as a tool if you do not think for yourself.

This is why storming the Bastille is bad. Nobody cares if you save the world. History is written by cowards, bullies, and least common denominator among men. Show me where the history was written by the loser and i will show you a society that died heroically.

There is no real bypass to stupidity. We all have to start someplace. The Taliban figured out if you keep the people stupid they stay in your corner. This is what is happening in America. Our media, process rules, and vile politics is creating a system where "stupidity" can make you relevant.

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[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Odysseus

Philosophy is NOT a team sport. Society is a team sport. Philosophy is personal, private, and individual. The minute you mandate religion or atheism you are are risk of being deceived.

Bypassing stupidity is also personal and private. Nobody gives a ****. No matter how idealistic we are as societies, ultimately, societies don't care. Think about it? How many Chinese died during WWII? We don't know because we don't care. Google is useless as a tool if you do not think for yourself.

This is why storming the Bastille is bad. Nobody cares if you save the world. History is written by cowards, bullies, and least common denominator among men. Show me where the history was written by the loser and i will show you a society that died heroically.

There is no real bypass to stupidity. We all have to start someplace. The Taliban figured out if you keep the people stupid they stay in your corner. This is what is happening in America. Our media, process rules, and vile politics is creating a system where "stupidity" can make you relevant.

Totally disagree (even though it's as granular as the individual - that i do agree with): Philosophy IS a team sport. It's all around you, it's how you work with people..it's how people are galvanized or congregate together. Who said anything about MANDATING? (Well, other than you.)

Communities are philosophies in extension.

Capitalism is a philosophy - Ethics, are philosophies. How you live everyday, is a philosophy. How you responded to my posts, are reflective of your philosophies.

How groups work together, is also reflective of philosophies: A good example is the "food movement" in the USA. (sports teams, militaries, etc - if everyone's operating on independent directives - and there is no coordination, nothing gets done).

I'm not going to storm the bastille - i'll just dig a channel and let the water erode the wall and let it fall down. I'll just HELP nature along.


Humans often forget they are mammals, and they are prodded along by people who push the animal buttons. They are kept stupid, but the cleverness is that humans PAY people to do this to them & for them. So, if you can't join them - beat them.

I'm not worried about making history Ody - i'm more concerned with the future.

[alkemical]

http://www.disinfo.com/2012/04/150-m...re-in-poverty/

Tavis Smiley and Cornel West discuss their new book on Democracy Now!:

The latest census data shows nearly one in two Americans, or 150 million people, have fallen into poverty — or could be classified as low income. We’re joined by Dr. Cornel West and Tavis Smiley, who continue their efforts to spark a national dialog on the poverty crisis with the new book, The Rich and the Rest of Us: A Poverty Manifesto.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by alkemical

Totally disagree (even though it's as granular as the individual - that i do agree with): Philosophy IS a team sport. It's all around you, it's how you work with people..it's how people are galvanized or congregate together. Who said anything about MANDATING? (Well, other than you.)

Communities are philosophies in extension.

Capitalism is a philosophy - Ethics, are philosophies. How you live everyday, is a philosophy. How you responded to my posts, are reflective of your philosophies.

How groups work together, is also reflective of philosophies: A good example is the "food movement" in the USA. (sports teams, militaries, etc - if everyone's operating on independent directives - and there is no coordination, nothing gets done).

I'm not going to storm the bastille - i'll just dig a channel and let the water erode the wall and let it fall down. I'll just HELP nature along.

Humans often forget they are mammals, and they are prodded along by people who push the animal buttons. They are kept stupid, but the cleverness is that humans PAY people to do this to them & for them. So, if you can't join them - beat them.

I'm not worried about making history Ody - i'm more concerned with the future.

Capitalism, despite accolades to Adam Smith, is a philosophy that comes from David Hume but here is the problem....Philosophy, is what it is supposed to be but rarely what it actually is. I don't think Adam Smith would be very pleased with what we did with his philosophy.

I think that man, despite his best inspirations, is a herd animal. Even Machiavelli ended up being tortured despite knowing what works and does not work. Communities, in my opinion, are living organisms that could care less from what earth they have sprung. They do whatever it is they are intent on doing and even if you are it's creator it comes with it's own programming instructions and data set.

Philosophy, in my view, is like religion. It is personal, private, and even if you explained it nobody sits in your seat in whatever church you chose except for you. There are no two theist/atheist that are alike.

Society is an agreement forged in sacrifice. It is individuals agreeing to a perceived greater good and willing to compromise their own personal good for the good of the nation, king, and/or ideal.

I agree with you in concept but in reality the reason the 99% will not prosper is they are not approaching the 1% in a manner that is inclusive...thus the expanding divide. How do you convince the rich to consider the philosophy of the 99% when they are so divided. You have to consider who divided them and why.

The facts are out there but the rich have created doubt. The 1% innovation/create/expand their wealth but their philosophy disagrees with the 99%. How do you bridge THAT gap?

http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_fo...ent_truth.html

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by alkemical

http://www.disinfo.com/2012/04/150-m...re-in-poverty/

Tavis Smiley and Cornel West discuss their new book on Democracy Now!:

The latest census data shows nearly one in two Americans, or 150 million people, have fallen into poverty — or could be classified as low income. We’re joined by Dr. Cornel West and Tavis Smiley, who continue their efforts to spark a national dialog on the poverty crisis with the new book, The Rich and the Rest of Us: A Poverty Manifesto.

If you looked poverty globally you would see this in perspective as to why insourcing employment is so difficult. Global poverty is weighing down any considerations for America or Americans.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Odysseus

Capitalism, despite accolades to Adam Smith, is a philosophy that comes from David Hume but here is the problem....Philosophy, is what it is supposed to be but rarely what it actually is. I don't think Adam Smith would be very pleased with what we did with his philosophy.

I think that man, despite his best inspirations, is a herd animal. Even Machiavelli ended up being tortured despite knowing what works and does not work. Communities, in my opinion, are living organisms that could care less from what earth they have sprung. They do whatever it is they are intent on doing and even if you are it's creator it comes with it's own programming instructions and data set.

Philosophy, in my view, is like religion. It is personal, private, and even if you explained it nobody sits in your seat in whatever church you chose except for you. There are no two theist/atheist that are alike.

Society is an agreement forged in sacrifice. It is individuals agreeing to a perceived greater good and willing to compromise their own personal good for the good of the nation, king, and/or ideal.

I agree with you in concept but in reality the reason the 99% will not prosper is they are not approaching the 1% in a manner that is inclusive...thus the expanding divide. How do you convince the rich to consider the philosophy of the 99% when they are so divided. You have to consider who divided them and why.

The facts are out there but the rich have created doubt. The 1% innovation/create/expand their wealth but their philosophy disagrees with the 99%. How do you bridge THAT gap?

http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_fo...ent_truth.html

I will get back to this (i want to watch the vid), but i disagree. societies aren't an agreement, societies are the control mechanism. The way the conditioning works, is the individual doesn't set the taboo, their* community does.

There are ways to bridge the gaps Ody - that's what i'm working on. I walk between the two worlds.

In the internal information age, you don't teach philosophy as they did after feudalism. You perform it. If Aristotle were alive today he'd have a talk show.

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"around 3000 years ago, a group of human beings in Athens, Greece, developed a new philosophy... the basic religion of humanity, is called humanism... Socrates said, the aim of human life is to know thyself... create and design your own order out of chaos... Socrates did not give commandments, Socrates did not impose order, Socrates asked questions... he encouraged to speculate, design, create, interact their own versions of reality... Socrates said the way to perform philosophy, in small groups, raising questions, learning from each other, change, changing your mind, growing together, linking together... "

"it has been the authorities, the political, religious, educational authorities, who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations, in-forming, forming our minds, with their view of reality... to think for yourself, you must question authority, and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable open mindedness, chaotic, confused, vulnerability, to inform yourself..."

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by alkemical

I will get back to this (i want to watch the vid), but i disagree. societies aren't an agreement, societies are the control mechanism. The way the conditioning works, is the individual doesn't set the taboo, their* community does.

There are ways to bridge the gaps Ody - that's what i'm working on. I walk between the two worlds.
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We work between multiple worlds within worlds to be individuals in modern society. There is, for example, an entire gaming society that goes by it's own rules. There is the clan of Facebook, Google Plus, and even Orangemane. Each socialized network has it's own rules, governance, and issues. Remember when "what was good for GM was good for the nation"?

The underlying conversation was true but what it implied/revealed/shared was essentially true.

The problem the 99% percent face is that many of them have commonalities that they cannot be seen. Enemy of my enemy, in modern terms, is still my enemy. How do the 99% get a voice in the media with so many poorly shared or intuited connections?

We are faced, oddly enough, with too many choices. This is why stupidized mediocrity has gathered cult status. This is what makes Reagan great. This is why storming the Bastille is stupid. Gil Scott Heron was correct. The revolution will not be televised.

[Requiem]

We are the revolution, turd.

[sirhcyennek81]

This thread still exists?

[Requiem]

****ing right it does ****a.

[sirhcyennek81]

So have the 99% triumphed yet? I'm sure a police station still has intact windows somewhere in SF.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by Requiem

We are the revolution, turd.

There is a turd revolution?

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

So have the 99% triumphed yet? I'm sure a police station still has intact windows somewhere in SF.

The 99% are supposed to win?

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by Odysseus

The 99% are supposed to win?

Why yes. The memo clearly states rioting in Seattle, attacking police stations in SF and sending white powder to government buildings in NYC will make the 1% relent.

Duh.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Why yes. The memo clearly states rioting in Seattle, attacking police stations in SF and sending white powder to government buildings in NYC will make the 1% relent.

Duh.

White powder? Are you a racist? Why not green powder or cherry Gatorade?

Is rioting like claiming Jihad? Is it effective?

[Arkie]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

So have the 99% triumphed yet? I'm sure a police station still has intact windows somewhere in SF.

Oh, yeah! The 99% have triumphed. After we choose our next President, we can go Forward and Believe in America because we made our choice between red Goldman Sachs and blue Goldman Sachs.

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[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by Requiem

We are the revolution, turd.

Turds are revolting?

[alkemical]

http://feeds.boingboing.net/~r/boing...ants-to-o.html

Philly Police Union wants to oust retired officer for legally wearing uniform at an Occupy Wall Street rally


Radley Balko says:

The Philadelphia Fraternal Order of Police is looking to strip a retired captain of his union membership, because he had sex with a 14-year-old girl illegally raided immigrant-owned bodegas across the city, then stole from and threatened their owners illegally arrested and nearly killed a man for legally carrying a firearm beat his girlfriend and threatened to “stamp” her “heart out” sexually assaulted three women during drug raids . . . hmm. It appears to have been none of those.

… *****Embedded links @ source for the above section.

Lewis’ inexcusable offense?

He wore his police uniform to the Occupy Wall Street protest in Zuccotti Park last year.

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“He’s not respecting the uniform,” [union president John] McNesby said. “People died for that uniform. It’s not Halloween.”

Not only should Lewis be punished by the union, McNesby said, he “absolutely” should be locked up every time he sets foot in Philly with his uniform on.

Philly Police Union Looks To Oust Retired Cop

[alkemical]

http://feeds.boingboing.net/~r/boing...ates-jour.html

Occupy footage exonerates journalist; cop lied under oath

Photojournalist Alexander Arbuckle, arrested while covering Occupy Wall Street protests, was acquitted Tuesday after a short trial. Moreover, footage shown in court suggests that police lied about what happened.
Arbuckle was charged with disorderly conduct when police rounded up New Year's Day protestors near Sixth Avenue. The arresting officer claimed that he was blocking traffic in the street—a version of events repeated under oath.

Nick Pinto at The Village Voice:

There was a problem with the police account: it bore no resemblance to photographs and videos taken that night. Arbuckle's own photographs from the evening place him squarely on the sidewalk. All the video from the NYPD's Technical Research Assistance Unit, which follows the protesters with video-cameras (in almost certain violation of a federal consent decree), showed Arbuckle on the sidewalk. And in an indication of the way new media are transforming the dynamics of street protest, a clip from the live-stream of journalist Tim Pool showed that not only was Arbuckle on the sidewalk, so were all the other protesters. The only thing blocking traffic on 13th Street that night was the police themselves.
The arrests begin about 32 minutes into the clip embedded above.

BB reader Geoff Shively writes in:

This is the first win in a series of cases where the NYPD is accused of manufacturing false accounts to make arrests of journalists, activists and legal observers. I asked an NLG observer in Chicago yesterday if its likely the police officer could be charged for perjury and he replied "Unfortunately, police are rarely rarely rarely held accountable for false arrests". We hope Arbuckle can change that and bring a case to court against this officer so that police understand that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.

[Odysseus]

Mitt is looking polished.

Poor 99%

[alkemical]

Must be why Glenn Beck was talking about how retirement is an "idea", and you should have to work till you can't. Then depend on neighbors to help you out.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by alkemical

Must be why Glenn Beck was talking about how retirement is an "idea", and you should have to work till you can't. Then depend on neighbors to help you out.

What has happened is retirement, globally, is no longer an expectation. The crisis in Europe has revealed that and people in America are being forced to look globally for solutions to retirement rather than count on American institutions as they have in the past.

Social Security, as an entitlement, is being sold to the younger generations who won't have this as an option.

Retirement math is different than making a living math. What you have stashed as your retirement fund, if you want it to be stretched out to 30 years needs to be tapped 4% at a time. This is not good if you include inflation, cost of living, shrinking dollar value, increasing medical costs, and other costs associated with aging.

The 99 percent are screwed. They are either dealing with Clinton Jr. (Obama) or Bush III (Romney)