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Old 08-29-2012, 01:49 PM   #3576
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Where were you when so called fans wanted to lose against the Vikings so we would end up 7-9 (we didnt know what subpar 8-8 was before this in a long time) and get a better Top 10 draft pick? Well, we ended up winning that game and picked #12. Instead of top 10 quality, we get that scrub Clady.

He was being serious. Our whole season was saved by that big victory. He is an idiot.
Frankly if you think our whole season was bed by a cheap win over a team that had about half their starters in the game near the end then I feel for you..

I've seen this team play for going on 52 years now and beating them in OT while it felt good at the moment it was not worth losing draft choices 8 or more and the upcoming ass kicking they will bring on opening day..
At hat is a proud team and knowing that DEN knocked them outof the playoffs. Gonna be a long day for you..
We will see who the idiot is at that point..

Hell we will not have at least two of our big guns on opening day due to injury and stupidity.
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Old 08-29-2012, 01:50 PM   #3577
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If we lost to the Steelers and they lost to the Patriots, would Pittsburgh have drafted in our spot and us in their's?
We would have drafted with the 8-8 teams rotating with them and then PIT would have been drafting where we did..
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Old 08-29-2012, 01:52 PM   #3578
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I guess it doesn't matter. No one in the NFL gets paid to lose games to have a better draft position.

I think it worked in our favor to win a playoff game with a RB playing QB. I don't think PM would have came here if this team looked like total ass.

They got that far without a QB so I'm dying to see what they do with a HOF one.
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Old 08-29-2012, 01:54 PM   #3579
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I dont understand the fascination with obsessing over every player that gets cut should become a bronco. The percentages that we even get any of these players is minimal to zero.
Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a thread for every schmuck that gets cut with someone hyping the hell out of them like it would be a sure thing..

Most forget that they go through waivers and We would get them after 24 othe teams passes on them..
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Old 08-29-2012, 01:56 PM   #3580
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We would have drafted with the 8-8 teams rotating with them and then PIT would have been drafting where we did..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but instead of drafting #25 and #57, we would have drafted #24 and #56...in which we would have ended up with exactly the same draft picks (after trades).

No change...glad we won. The Tebow/DT OT touchdown was one of the greatest moments in Bronco history.
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Old 08-29-2012, 01:59 PM   #3581
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the upcoming ass kicking they will bring on opening day..

You think the Steelers are mad, and they're going to beat the Broncos on opening day, huh? I only have one thing to say to you...










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Old 08-29-2012, 02:00 PM   #3582
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Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a thread for every schmuck that gets cut with someone hyping the hell out of them like it would be a sure thing..

Most forget that they go through waivers and We would get them after 24 othe teams passes on them..
Apparently some forget that any player that has been in the league at least 4 years doesn't go through waivers
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Old 08-29-2012, 02:09 PM   #3583
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but instead of drafting #25 and #57, we would have drafted #24 and #56...in which we would have ended up with exactly the same draft picks (after trades).

No change...glad we won. The Tebow/DT OT touchdown was one of the greatest moments in Bronco history.
That's the impression I was under.

Also, I don't care what draft positions were on the line. Who in the hell HOPES their team loses, period.
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Its not every player. When there is a decent player cut a position that is generally regarded as one where we are lacking depth, we SHOULD be talking about it.

Gaffney is a good example since the WR depth is sparse after #2.
Same thing is going to be done if we see any decent LBs cut.
I came into this season thinking TE was in great shape but now I am not so sure. Tamme hasn't shown much and make you wonder if his single good season was an apparition. Dreessen was always going to be more in the blocking role relative to the other TEs. Julius Thomas likley is getting cut. Green has some potential but has a suspension. And Ingram hasnt shown enough yet and could likely be PS material. So for a QB like PFM who really likes to use the TE, why wouldnt it be smart to take a look. Downside is you get a guy who is hurt and you cut him and bring up Ingram/Thomas from the PS. Upside is you get the Cooley that has been one of the better pass catching TEs over the past several years, all while never having much at QB. That is a very palatable risk/reward scenario to me.

This is the time of the year where there are those veterans in the 1st cuts where the teams are trying to do them a favor to catch on somewhere else so these next few days are the peak of this.

But I agree that its unlikely we get any of them. If we do, I suspect its at WR, LB or TE. And maybe an outside shot of a veteran to replace Hanie.
Good logic. For the most part..
But think in this manner..

24 other teams have to pass on him before we would get him and IF we did then we would be on the hook for s contract as it stands..

Therefore more likely he will clear waivers and then try and make a deal with his best deal..

Most likely NOT in DEN because of the money crunch if they have any hope of tryiing to sign Clady this year..
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Good logic. For the most part..
But think in this manner..

24 other teams have to pass on him before we would get him and IF we did then we would be on the hook for s contract as it stands..

Therefore more likely he will clear waivers and then try and make a deal with his best deal..

Most likely NOT in DEN because of the money crunch if they have any hope of tryiing to sign Clady this year..
If you are talking about Cooley, he does not have to clear waivers. You have kept mentioning this...please see below

Player with 3 or fewer years in the league = Waived, must pass through waivers

Player with 4 or more years in league= Released, contract eliminated, free agent

You don't think that Manning went through waivers do you?
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Apparently some forget that any player that has been in the league at least 4 years doesn't go through waivers
Just quoting this because people keep overlooking it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but instead of drafting #25 and #57, we would have drafted #24 and #56...in which we would have ended up with exactly the same draft picks (after trades).

No change...glad we won. The Tebow/DT OT touchdown was one of the greatest moments in Bronco history.
No we would have drafted After the jets at #17 IIRC. And then rotaed with the other 8-8 teams between 13 and 21. For the rest of the draft..
http://www.nfl.com/standings?categor...&split=Overall
Yes that was one of the greatest pass in history but because of that we paid a price..

IMO not worth the win.. Considering the ass kicking we took the next week because that was not a playoff team..
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If you are talking about Cooley, he does not have to clear waivers. You have kept mentioning this...please see below

Player with 3 or fewer years in the league = Waived, must pass through waivers

Player with 4 or more years in league= Released, contract eliminated, free agent

You don't think that Manning went through waivers do you?
I think he meant Gaffney but, you're still right. Gaff been playing forever lol
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Old 08-29-2012, 02:26 PM   #3589
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That's the impression I was under.

Also, I don't care what draft positions were on the line. Who in the hell HOPES their team loses, period.
After looking at it, we would have been drafting #21 and #53, taking the place of the Bengals, with the worst record out of the teams who lost in the first round of the playoffs.

#21: The Patriots probably would have wanted to trade with us to get Chandler Jones at #21...in which case, we would have traded down in order to draft Derek Wolfe. I suppose there is a chance we would have drafted Brandon Weeden, but doubtful (we would have passed on Reiff and Decastro).

#53: We would have a choice between Devon Still, Ryan Broyles, Peter Konz, and Mike Adams. Would we have drafted Konz instead of Osweiler? Possibly, and that would be pretty sweet...but it sounds like Osweiler was the Broncos target, because we needed a back-up QB.
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Frankly if you think our whole season was bed by a cheap win over a team that had about half their starters in the game near the end then I feel for you..
You keep saying that. Is every win that a team gets over another team with injuries considered a cheap win?
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Good logic. For the most part..
But think in this manner..

24 other teams have to pass on him before we would get him and IF we did then we would be on the hook for s contract as it stands..

Therefore more likely he will clear waivers and then try and make a deal with his best deal..

Most likely NOT in DEN because of the money crunch if they have any hope of tryiing to sign Clady this year..
As 2KBack pointed out, I am generally talking about veteran players here so no waivers. Remember, there is no plan B. And I think the allure of playing on a team with PFM that they think they could bolster is a major reason why said example player would have Denver on the short list and maybe even take a slightly lesser contract.

The only 2 cuts that have caught my attention are Gaffney and Cooley. I will be very interested to see what shows up at LB.
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Old 08-29-2012, 02:28 PM   #3592
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No we would have drafted After the jets at #17 IIRC. And then rotaed with the other 8-8 teams between 13 and 21. For the rest of the draft..
Not true man, ALL playoff teams draft later than teams who didn't make the playoffs...no matter their record.

We probably would have ended up with the same players...Wolfe and Osweiler.
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After looking at it, we would have been drafting #21 and #53, taking the place of the Bengals, with the worst record out of the teams who lost in the first round of the playoffs.

#21: The Patriots probably would have wanted to trade with us to get Chandler Jones at #21...in which case, we would have traded down in order to draft Derek Wolfe. I suppose there is a chance we would have drafted Brandon Weeden, but doubtful (we would have passed on Reiff and Decastro).

#53: We would have a choice between Devon Still, Ryan Broyles, Peter Konz, and Mike Adams. Would we have drafted Konz instead of Osweiler? Possibly, and that would be pretty sweet...but it sounds like Osweiler was the Broncos target, because we needed a back-up QB.
Look again

http://www.nfl.com/standings?categor...&split=Overall.

Number 17. And not sure about draft pick #2. As it moves around with tied teams..
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If you are talking about Cooley, he does not have to clear waivers. You have kept mentioning this...please see below

Player with 3 or fewer years in the league = Waived, must pass through waivers

Player with 4 or more years in league= Released, contract eliminated, free agent

You don't think that Manning went through waivers do you?
Thanks was not aware of the new CBA. As for manning pretty sure he would have cleared waivers considering his injury and price tag..

I know I would not have taken him off waivers without knowing for sure he was fixed..
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You keep saying that. Is every win that a team gets over another team with injuries considered a cheap win?
Actually yes. Not that I would not normally take one. But considering that everyone was excited about winning the game with about half of their starters not able to play IMO that is a cheap win and if I'm in the playoffs I'd like the wins to be legit.. Considering the next game coming up.. I'd like my team KNOWING they beat the best and knowing they could play with the big boys.. something we have not done since John retired..

But that is just me.. A player down here and there that is wear and tear.. Almost half the starters not according to Hoyle.
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"The selection order is based on each team's win-loss record in the previous season and whether the team reached the playoffs. Teams that did not reach the playoffs the previous season are ranked in reverse order of their records (so the team with the fewest wins is awarded the first selection). "

Non-playoff teams: 120
Eliminated in Wild Card round: 2124
Eliminated in Divisional round: 2528
Eliminated in Conference Championships: 2930
Super Bowl losing team: 31
Super Bowl champion: 32

If the Giants would have lost the Superbowl, they would have picked #31...not where the other 9-7 teams picked...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_Draft#Rules_for_determini ng_draft_order
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"The selection order is based on each team's win-loss record in the previous season and whether the team reached the playoffs. Teams that did not reach the playoffs the previous season are ranked in reverse order of their records (so the team with the fewest wins is awarded the first selection). "

Non-playoff teams: 120
Eliminated in Wild Card round: 2124
Eliminated in Divisional round: 2528
Eliminated in Conference Championships: 2930
Super Bowl losing team: 31
Super Bowl champion: 32

If the Giants would have lost the Superbowl, they would have picked #31...not where the other 9-7 teams picked...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_Draft#Rules_for_determini ng_draft_order

Thanks. I was told regardless of playoffs or not because we won we slipped from the rankings. To where we were..

Losing 8 slots..

I'd still like to see the rule in something that has more cred's than wiki.
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It wasn't a cheap win, it was a top 10 moment in Broncos History.

Don't worry, after we kick the pee out of the Steelers in the opener, it will be all worth it.


If the Broncos didn't beat the Steelers in the playoffs, Manning probably wouldn't have picked us, because he would have thought we were too far away from winning the Superbowl. It's all good, my friend, GO BRONCOS!!
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It wasn't a cheap win, it was a top 10 moment in Broncos History.

Don't worry, after we kick the pee out of the Steelers in the opener, it will be all worth it.


If the Broncos didn't beat the Steelers in the playoffs, Manning probably wouldn't have picked us, because he would have thought we were too far away from winning the Superbowl. It's all good, my friend, GO BRONCOS!!
If that was the reason he picked us of SFO then he is dumber than dirt..
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If that was the reason he picked us of SFO then he is dumber than dirt..
It had to factor in. Without the playoff win, I don't think we're in the equation...kinda like the Chiefs. I don't think he picked SF because Eli's in the NFC. Manning could have ended up in Houston or Tennessee.
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