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Old 08-14-2012, 10:59 PM   #76
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:00 AM   #77
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I love how the information is relegated onto the national media. Poe will be playing in the sub package, which Romeo ran about 60% of the time last year and will run more this year, since we obviously didn't against Tebow last year (heavy running team), but will this year in the two games against Manning (heavy throwing team).

He's playing passing downs because he has a lot of work to do against the run.
What exactly is Dontari Poe going to do against the pass?
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What exactly is Dontari Poe going to do against the pass?
His best asset right now is his pass rush. He was a pretty good pass rusher at Memphis and has a lot of quickness. Dude also ran a 4.98, which is ridiculous for a 350 pound man.

He's not ready to 2 gap.
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Anyone who is surprised by this clearly hasn't been paying attention. Everyone knew Poe was a project, and we won't really know whether he'll pan out for at least a couple seasons.
I remember our project player in George Foster. Waste of a high draft pick. You better hope it isn't that bad and yours is at #11.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:46 AM   #80
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His best asset right now is his pass rush. He was a pretty good pass rusher at Memphis and has a lot of quickness. Dude also ran a 4.98, which is ridiculous for a 350 pound man.

He's not ready to 2 gap.
The guy had five sacks in three years at the college level. Actually at Conference USA level to be precise.


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The guy had five sacks in three years at the college level. Actually at Conference USA level to be precise.

Doesn't mean he wasn't a good pass rusher. We're talking about a DT, not a DE or OLB.

A lot of scouting reports on the guy talked about his pass rush ability.

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Surprising athleticism, impressive first step, consistent get-off, good initial quickness, can beat linemen with his get-off and one move
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NFL Player Comparison: B.J. Raji
Raji is another guy who goes about 340 and is a very good pass rusher.

We drafted Poe in part to play in our nickel package because A) he could rush the passer and B) he's also big enough to hold up against the run in that package. Last year we had issues getting run on in our nickel.

I don't even like the pick, because he was drafted way too high, but the guy has talent as a pass rusher.
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Old 08-15-2012, 04:24 AM   #82
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Doesn't mean he wasn't a good pass rusher. We're talking about a DT, not a DE or OLB.

A lot of scouting reports on the guy talked about his pass rush ability.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1717351



http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings...#ixzz23bJFnZ7V



http://www.draftcountdown.com/Scouti...ontari-Poe.php



Raji is another guy who goes about 340 and is a very good pass rusher.

We drafted Poe in part to play in our nickel package because A) he could rush the passer and B) he's also big enough to hold up against the run in that package. Last year we had issues getting run on in our nickel.

I don't even like the pick, because he was drafted way too high, but the guy has talent as a pass rusher.
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Boob, he sucks you should save yourself embarrassment right now. He wishes he could be as good as Dorsey.
^ This.

There were LSU games where Dorsey looked like the most dominant D-lineman in the country. Poe, meh. Couldn't even dominate in C-USA.

BJ Raji? Raji was a real standout at BC. He made plays and looked dominant quite often. The only real question was if that was a product of being next to another "dominant" lineman (Ron Brace). Don't even try to compare Poe to Raji, their play and production are so tremendously different.
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Here's the most obvious difference between Raji and Poe to me. Everyone noticed BJ Raji while he was playing. Everyone noticed Poe after he worked out at the combine. All I need to know.
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His best asset right now is his pass rush. He was a pretty good pass rusher at Memphis and has a lot of quickness. Dude also ran a 4.98, which is ridiculous for a 350 pound man.

He's not ready to 2 gap.
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I think Haloti Ngata is the proper comparison for what Poe should be like as a player. Brian Billick did a great job explaining it (I'll have to find the video).

Even Ngata needed to be developed. Ngata didn't become a dominating DL until his 4th season, and he is playing on the freaking Ravens defense.
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I think Haloti Ngata is the proper comparison for what Poe should be like as a player. Brian Billick did a great job explaining it (I'll have to find the video).

Even Ngata needed to be developed. Ngata didn't become a dominating DL until his 4th season, and he is playing on the freaking Ravens defense.
You are clearly on meth if you think Ngata wasn't dominant until 2009. He was a freaking All-Pro in 2008.
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I think Haloti Ngata is the proper comparison for what Poe should be like as a player. Brian Billick did a great job explaining it (I'll have to find the video).

Even Ngata needed to be developed. Ngata didn't become a dominating DL until his 4th season, and he is playing on the freaking Ravens defense.
THAT is a very lofty comparison considering that Ngata actually started his rookie season. The "should" is really based on what most folks here have been pointing toward--production or the lack thereof.
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I think Haloti Ngata is the proper comparison for what Poe should be like as a player. Brian Billick did a great job explaining it (I'll have to find the video).

Even Ngata needed to be developed. Ngata didn't become a dominating DL until his 4th season, and he is playing on the freaking Ravens defense.
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The guy had five sacks in three years at the college level. Actually at Conference USA level to be precise.

That's what I don't get about "project players" with measurables. The guy is 350 pounds and runs a sub 5 second 40 and has overall ridiculous measurements for a guy his size, yet he was only 2nd team all conference USA. He had 5 sacks in three years while playing the likes of UTEP, Tulane, and Rice, and rushing the QB is his supposed to be his "strong suit."

If you can't get to the QB against Central Florida, how the **** are you going to get to the QB against Mike Iupati or Joe Thomas?
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The guy had five sacks in three years at the college level. Actually at Conference USA level to be precise.

Wasn't Poe the player that looked 'impressive' at the combine, but didn't really have much of college resume so to speak. I guess the proof is in the pudding.
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I wont rip on Conference USA players right now as we have Wolfe coming from the same conference. Of course our #1 draft pick (and much further back from Poe) will be in most plays. At #11, I would prefer a project guy like a QB. DT are hard to come by and I think the chiefs panicked.
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I wont rip on Conference USA players right now as we have Wolfe coming from the same conference. Of course our #1 draft pick (and much further back from Poe) will be in most plays. At #11, I would prefer a project guy like a QB. DT are hard to come by and I think the chiefs panicked.
Cincinnati is a Big East school. Memphis didn't move until this year. I get that Poe needs time to develop as a 2-gap. Still though the fact that the kid couldn't produce quality numbers in C-USA with his size, strength and speed is a massive red flag. Meth Wolfe was an All-American and averaged a sack per game facing the same level of competition, despite having less raw talent.

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I wont rip on Conference USA players right now as we have Wolfe coming from the same conference. Of course our #1 draft pick (and much further back from Poe) will be in most plays. At #11, I would prefer a project guy like a QB. DT are hard to come by and I think the chiefs panicked.
The problem is, we (the Chiefs) really didn't have a ton of holes aside from NT and QB. Say what you will about Cassel, but the Chiefs are a more complete team outside of him than any time in the past decade. Outside of those two positions, any pick at #11 would have had to take the place of either a solid starter or a young guy who is still developing.

By the time we got to #11, the only QB who was even CLOSE to that level of talent left was Weeden, and that would have been awful, awful value (not to mention all of the other issues with Weeden).

So basically, the Chiefs took a project guy who COULD work out to be absolutely incredible, but who they weren't really counting on to step in and be "the guy" day 1. Was it worth the #11 pick? Probably not. But aside from saying that we should have traded down (which is always much easier said than done), I'm not sure who I would have rather seen them take.
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The problem is, we (the Chiefs) really didn't have a ton of holes aside from NT and QB. Say what you will about Cassel, but the Chiefs are a more complete team outside of him than any time in the past decade. Outside of those two positions, any pick at #11 would have had to take the place of either a solid starter or a young guy who is still developing.

By the time we got to #11, the only QB who was even CLOSE to that level of talent left was Weeden, and that would have been awful, awful value (not to mention all of the other issues with Weeden).

So basically, the Chiefs took a project guy who COULD work out to be absolutely incredible, but who they weren't really counting on to step in and be "the guy" day 1. Was it worth the #11 pick? Probably not. But aside from saying that we should have traded down (which is always much easier said than done), I'm not sure who I would have rather seen them take.
This is a reasonable post. Isn't your OLine suspect or is my memory off base?
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This is a reasonable post. Isn't your OLine suspect or is my memory off base?
Suspect, yes. But much better than it has been in the past. The weak link on our OL has been RT, and we brought in Eric Winston from the Texans who has solidified that hole nicely.

The interior is the bigger concern at this point, but Jon Asamoah and Rodney Hudson are both young guys that are developing, so you can't really replace them through the draft.

Ryal Lilja is the one remaining old guy that could probably be upgraded, but we picked Jeff Allen in the 2nd round that will hopefully pan out and take his place. Regardless, I don't think anyone will argue that it's a good idea to take a guard at #11.

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The problem is, we (the Chiefs) really didn't have a ton of holes aside from NT and QB. Say what you will about Cassel, but the Chiefs are a more complete team outside of him than any time in the past decade. Outside of those two positions, any pick at #11 would have had to take the place of either a solid starter or a young guy who is still developing.

By the time we got to #11, the only QB who was even CLOSE to that level of talent left was Weeden, and that would have been awful, awful value (not to mention all of the other issues with Weeden).

So basically, the Chiefs took a project guy who COULD work out to be absolutely incredible, but who they weren't really counting on to step in and be "the guy" day 1. Was it worth the #11 pick? Probably not. But aside from saying that we should have traded down (which is always much easier said than done), I'm not sure who I would have rather seen them take.
fair enough but why not try to trade down? Even if kc took a trade that wasn't exactly great value, that is, they kinda did like the Broncos did and made a trade down that "could have been better"? At the very least you gain a few picks.

Heck, Pioli could have traded the #11 for something like a #1 in next year's draft and a #2 in this years draft, and some change.

Poe was just not worth the 11th pick IMHO. If I was Pioli I would have done everything possible to trade that pick even if it meant taking a trade that would be a little undervalued.
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fair enough but why not try to trade down? Even if kc took a trade that wasn't exactly great value, that is, they kinda did like the Broncos did and made a trade down that "could have been better"? At the very least you gain a few picks.

Heck, Pioli could have traded the #11 for something like a #1 in next year's draft and a #2 in this years draft, and some change.

Poe was just not worth the 11th pick IMHO. If I was Pioli I would have done everything possible to trade that pick even if it meant taking a trade that would be a little undervalued.
Yeah, I don't disagree. It would have been nice to get an extra pick or two out of it. But wouldn't you agree that trading down isn't always what you hope it will be? I know you guys got lots of extra picks this year by trading down, but doesn't a part of you wonder who you COULD have had if you'd just "reached" a bit?

I'm no Pioli apologist; his refusal to address the QB situation is nearly unforgivable at this point. But aside from that, he's quietly and slowly taken a team that was absolutely god awful a few years ago and made it respectable.

Along the way, we've reached for a number of guys (Dorsey, Jackson, and Poe are the poster children here), and they are definitely being paid way more than they are worth. But at the same time, Dorsey and Jackson have turned into very solid, if not spectacular players. If Pioli feels like he has to reach a bit to get the guys he really thinks are worth it, I can't fault him based on the recent track record.
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Suspect, yes. But much better than it has been in the past. The weak link on our OL has been RT, and we brought in Eric Winston from the Texans who has solidified that hole nicely.

The interior is the bigger concern at this point, but Jon Asamoah and Rodney Hudson are both young guys that are developing, so you can't really replace them through the draft.

Ryal Lilja is the one remaining old guy that could probably be upgraded, but we picked Jeff Allen in the 2nd round that will hopefully pan out and take his place. Regardless, I don't think anyone will argue that it's a good idea to take a guard at #11.
Yeah, we're more or less in the same boat at interior as Beadles and Walton are still developing.
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