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BroncoBeavis · 07-31-2012, 09:21 AM

Yeah yeah, sure.

So when someone in the future says: "GD It! How many more times is McCoy going to run on first down!" They really should have said

"How many times more is McCoy going to run on first down!"

The first is common. The second is an odd use of the phrase.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 07-31-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Yeah yeah, sure.

So when someone in the future says: "GD It! How many more times is McCoy going to run on first down!" They really should have said

"How many times more is McCoy going to run on first down!"

The first is common. The second is an odd use of the phrase.

If it doesn't work in practice why put it in the game? Look at the jets camp right now. They are screaming at him to throw the ball. Game time comes what's gonna happen? Run plays cause the passing plays didn't work in practice that week.

BroncoBeavis · 07-31-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

If it doesn't work in practice why put it in the game? Look at the jets camp right now. They are screaming at him to throw the ball. Game time comes what's gonna happen? Run plays cause the passing plays didn't work in practice that week.

Circular logic. You assume it didn't work in practice because they didn't try it in the game. And they didn't try it in the game because it didn't work in practice.

Success comes from unpredictability.

Most OC's understand that throwing on 3rd and short is important every now and again to keep defenses honest. If you're doing it 2 times a season, there's no reason for a defense not to put 9 on the line on every 3rd and short. It's not like we were converting every 3rd and short. It was pretty frustrating watching them fall short while running straight into the teeth of midfield goal line defenses on virtually every 3rd and short.

Beantown Bronco · 07-31-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Most OC's understand that throwing on 3rd and short is important every now and again to keep defenses honest. If you're doing it 2 times a season, there's no reason for a defense not to put 9 on the line on every 3rd and short. It's not like we were converting every 3rd and short. It was pretty frustrating watching them fall short while running straight into the teeth of midfield goal line defenses on virtually every 3rd and short.

And your ENTIRE argument is based off of a flawed statistic. How many times on 3rd and short did Tebow run NOT because a run was called, but because he made the decision not to pass the ball. It's not the OC's fault if a pass is called, but Tebow chooses to run instead. If it happened just 5 or so times all season long, your 20:1 ratio gets completely shot. Just once per game? Even worse.

DENVERDUI55 · 07-31-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Circular logic. You assume it didn't work in practice because they didn't try it in the game. And they didn't try it in the game because it didn't work in practice.

Success comes from unpredictability.

Most OC's understand that throwing on 3rd and short is important every now and again to keep defenses honest. If you're doing it 2 times a season, there's no reason for a defense not to put 9 on the line on every 3rd and short. It's not like we were converting every 3rd and short. It was pretty frustrating watching them fall short while running straight into the teeth of midfield goal line defenses on virtually every 3rd and short.

Jets have him playing special teams. He is the only qb I've heard of that scrambles from the rush in 7 on 7. He is the hardest worker not named Peyton Manning but he also has been called not the smartest tool in the shed.

baja · 07-31-2012, 10:59 AM

This tune has been in to top 50 for 8 months. amazing

BroncoBeavis · 07-31-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

And your ENTIRE argument is based off of a flawed statistic. How many times on 3rd and short did Tebow run NOT because a run was called, but because he made the decision not to pass the ball. It's not the OC's fault if a pass is called, but Tebow chooses to run instead. If it happened just 5 or so times all season long, your 20:1 ratio gets completely shot. Just once per game? Even worse.

Looked it up. Didn't happen once during Tebow games this season.

27 3rd and shorts (less than 3)

25 called runs
2 called passes

baja · 07-31-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

Jets have him playing special teams. He is the only qb I've heard of that scrambles from the rush in 7 on 7. He is the hardest worker not named Peyton Manning but he also has been called not the smartest tool in the shed.

In light of new studies anyone that plays football will not end up being the sharpest tool in the shed.

But there is help;

http://www.amenclinics.com/dr-amen/l...-damaged-brain

Beantown Bronco · 07-31-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Looked it up. Didn't happen once during Tebow games this season.

27 3rd and shorts (less than 3)

25 called runs
2 called passes

Sure you did.

BroncoBeavis · 07-31-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Sure you did.

I think 7 or 8 were Tebow runs. The rest were RB calls.

errand · 07-31-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Ummmm, what? There are actually several scenarios where going 3-3 for 9 yards could benefit the team more than going 1-3 for 12.

Yes...like 3rd and goal from the opponent's 2 three times in a game

Beantown Bronco · 07-31-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

I think 7 or 8 were Tebow runs. The rest were RB calls.

So, you checked with the OC on all those plays to determine what was called vs what was run? Damn, you've got some connections. Why have you been holding out on us for so long?

errand · 07-31-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

This tune has been in to top 50 for 8 months. amazing

Somewhere Pink Floyd is getting nervous......

errand · 07-31-2012, 12:04 PM

I've never seen anyone defend the indefensible like Beavis has....

Is he the lone idiot that thinks Tebow >>>> Manning?

Turd_Ferguson · 07-31-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

If it doesn't work in practice why put it in the game? Look at the jets camp right now. They are screaming at him to throw the ball. Game time comes what's gonna happen? Run plays cause the passing plays didn't work in practice that week.

Come game time Tebow will be the personal protector for the punter.

errand · 07-31-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

So, you checked with the OC on all those plays to determine what was called vs what was run? Damn, you've got some connections. Why have you been holding out on us for so long?

He doesn't know....that's why he said "I think...."

errand · 07-31-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Turd_Ferguson

Come game time Tebow will be the personal protector for the punter.

This season is gonna be so entertaining....especially on here

BroncoBeavis · 07-31-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

So, you checked with the OC on all those plays to determine what was called vs what was run? Damn, you've got some connections. Why have you been holding out on us for so long?

No, I relied on play descriptions, where the word "Scrambles" is used to describe a QB running on a pass call. That description was never used on a Tebow 3rd and short. But there were 10 instances of it on 3rd and 3 or more.

Beantown Bronco · 07-31-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

No, I relied on play descriptions, where the word "Scrambles" is used to describe a QB running on a pass call. That description was never used on a Tebow 3rd and short. But there were 10 instances of it on 3rd and 3 or more.

This just gets better and better.

BroncoBeavis · 07-31-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by errand

He doesn't know....that's why he said "I think...."

"Tebow defies stats!!! He Trixed the Scorekeepers!"

Beantown Bronco · 07-31-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

"Tebow defies stats!!! He Trixed the Scorekeepers!"

There are official stats now for audibles and number of designed passes that turned into runs?!? Learn something every day.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 07-31-2012, 12:18 PM

BroncoBeavis · 07-31-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

There are official stats now for audibles and number of designed passes that turned into runs?!? Learn something every day.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201112...ost-playbyplay

Have a look. NFL makes the distinction.

DENVERDUI55 · 07-31-2012, 12:27 PM

Beavis might be Becky for griese in disguise.

Beantown Bronco · 07-31-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201112...ost-playbyplay

Have a look. NFL makes the distinction.

No, no they don't.

Unless you really believe that there were zero audibles called by either QB in that game.....or any other game.

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07-31-2012, 09:21 AM	#1301
BroncoBeavis Just Draughted Lupus Methylphenthylaminus? Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 6,892	Yeah yeah, sure. So when someone in the future says: "GD It! How many more times is McCoy going to run on first down!" They really should have said "How many times more is McCoy going to run on first down!" The first is common. The second is an odd use of the phrase.

07-31-2012, 10:59 AM	#1306
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,869 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	This tune has been in to top 50 for 8 months. amazing

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errand Ring of Famer Forgot more than you'll ever know Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Western NC mountains Posts: 15,051	I've never seen anyone defend the indefensible like Beavis has.... Is he the lone idiot that thinks Tebow >>>> Manning?

07-31-2012, 12:27 PM	#1324
DENVERDUI55 Drunk on Arrival! New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,157 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	Beavis might be Becky for griese in disguise.