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Old 06-21-2012, 05:12 PM   #76
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Houston struggled in the first half of the season. Doesn't mean he isn't going to be a good player.
And a lot of Von's sacks came from teams focusing more on Dumervil in the first half of the season. Way to not bring that up.
God you make it way too easy. Ok I never said he wasn't a good player but I'm not the one saying he is better than Miller. Second you just proved that you watched zero Bronco games last year and just throw crap and hope it sticks to try and back up your garbage posts and claims. Did Von's sacks come from the attention Dumervil was getting on his bad shoulder and ankle or was it the attention in the games he didn't play? You have no clue what you are talking about.
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God you make it way too easy. Ok I never said he wasn't a good player but I'm not the one saying he is better than Miller. Second you just proved that you watched zero Bronco games last year and just throw crap and hope it sticks to try and back up your garbage posts and claims. Did Von's sacks come from the attention Dumervil was getting on his bad shoulder and ankle or was it the attention in the games he didn't play? You have no clue what you are talking about.
Never said Houston was better than Von. Try again.
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Never said Houston was better than Von. Try again


It can be argued that Von Miller isn't even the best OLB in his own draft class.



Justin Houston, Aldon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan
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OK what were those comments then? You need to go back and read the garbage you post.
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OK what were those comments then? You need to go back and read the garbage you post.
It can be argued that they are better. Never said they were clearly better than Von.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. The point was that Von isn't the clear-cut best OLB in the league, or even his class. Those players aren't far behind Von and could very well be better than Von.
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KCStud just had his trash handed to him.

KCStud: Justin Houston is better! Look at his stats compared to the games Miller missed to injury and played with one hand!

Everyone: Lol wut?

Sheepstud: Welll...um...there's more to playing football than just sacks! He better shape up!

Everyone: He led all rookies in tackles for a loss and finished third in the NFL.

Sheepstud: Well...um...uh....He's no Derrick Thomas!

Me: He probably knows how to put on a condom, so you're right about that!
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It can be argued that they are better. Never said they were clearly better than Von.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. The point was that Von isn't the clear-cut best OLB in the league, or even his class. Those players aren't far behind Von and could very well be better than Von.
Everything you type is wrong.
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So by your same thinking, Champ Bailey should NEVER be mentioned in the same breath as Ty Law, Deon Sanders, Charles Woodson, Ronde Barber, Darrell Green, or Rod Woodson simply because he hasn't had postseason success?

Got it.

Nice use of pretzel logic. Champ Bailey has been on teams that actually won in the playoffs AND had an impact on the games outcome unlike derrick Houdini thomas who would disappeared in big games.

Now answer the question...what happened in the biggest game of his entire career?


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You have obviously not experienced the rivalry in the 90s by watching. Any clear thinking person could see instantly the effect DT had in the game.

Trying to dismiss 7 sacks by asking who won is for those that struggle with logic. Its the record. Followed by not one but two 6 sack games by the end of his carreer. No one has come close. Including your boy Miller.

If DT played today he would be the best defender in the west. Bar None.

And ask Elway if he can tackle.


I've been to more chef games than you have...believe that and I worked out at the same Gold's gym as DT. He rented one of the clubs I was working at for his celebrity golf tournament after party also worked at the club where the Derrick Thomas & Neil Smith radio show was broadcast from. We went to the same nightclubs and knew the same people ran in same circles. So spare me fan boy...

The reason I brought up the seven sack game is because it encapsulates his entire career...alot of empty sacks with nothing to show for it. Now... answer the question..what happened on the last play of the game..

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As time expired, Seattle's Dave Krieg wriggled free of Thomas and heaved a desperation 25-yard touchdown pass to Paul Skansi in the end zone. Norm Johnson booted the extra point to give the Seahawks a 17-16 victory over the stunned Kansas City Chiefs.

"I thought I had him," said Thomas, a linebacker who won the A.F.C. defensive Rookie of the Year award last season. "He just stumbled back and caught his balance and threw the pass. That last sack I didn't get is the one I'm going to remember."

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If dt played today he would be Tamba Hali with a hangover.




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I've been to more chef games than you have...believe that and I worked out at the same Gold's gym as DT. He rented one of the clubs I was working at for his celebrity golf tournament after party also worked at the club where the Derrick Thomas & Neil Smith radio show was broadcast from. We went to the same nightclubs and knew the same people ran in same circles. So spare me fan boy...

The reason I brought up the seven sack game is because it encapsulates his entire career...alot of empty sacks with nothing to show for it. Now... answer the question..what happened on the last play of the game..




http://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/12/sp...s-7-sacks.html


If dt played today he would be Tamba Hali with a hangover.




Nothing to show? He is a HOFer

You may get a few laughs, but little respect with football takes like that. Further, to demand I owe you an answer of some sort are delusions of granduer. If you want to post something about DTs game...post it.

Ask Elway who was the best defender he ever faced. There you'll get your true answer. What you offer is empty cracks in grade school quality smack.

Have a gteat day. We will just have to disagree on this one.

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Nothing to show? He is a HOFer

You may get a few laughs, but little respect with football takes like that. Further, to demand I owe you an answer of some sort are delusions of granduer. If you want to post something about DTs game...post it.

Ask Elway who was the best defender he ever faced. There you'll get your true answer. What you offer is empty cracks in grade school quality smack.

Have a gteat day. We will just have to disagree on this one.
I think he meant DT's numbers didn't help kc win any meaningful games.
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Nothing to show? He is a HOFer

You may get a few laughs, but little respect with football takes like that. Further, to demand I owe you an answer of some sort are delusions of granduer. If you want to post something about DTs game...post it.
Ask Elway who was the best defender he ever faced. There you'll get your true answer. What you offer is empty cracks in grade school quality smack.

Have a gteat day. We will just have to disagree on this one.*


*Unilateral disarmament.....translation "I can't answer any of the questions"





That's the point..look at all the other pass rush specialist enshrined in Canton. They didn't disappear in big games, your weak attempts to deflect to conversation speaks volumes.

All chef fan says is kc was winningest team in the nineties yet glosses over their 3-7 post season record (during dt's tenure) who's "best player" vanished like a fart in the wind come the playoffs.

Bottomline his best games happened at Sparrowhead (due to the crowd noise) and during the regular season...That's not Canton-worthy.



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I think he meant DT's numbers didn't help kc win any meaningful games.
That reflects the team more than the player. Its the illogical nonsense you see on BBs all the time. It really has to do with nothing.

The original point I made was that DT was Millers favorite player growing up. Instead of debating the point (which no one can) they deflect.

A person would look more intelligent to say nothing than to go on about how Millers favorite player and HOFer was no good or disapeared in games.

Fact is, most of what he's saying isnt true.

Besides, I thought all games were meaningful. You better hope the players dont take the "meaningless games" posture you guys do. Tell Manning to look at the schedule and determine which games are meaningless.

Surely by not winning the SB last season you're not saying the Broncos season was meaningless?
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*Unilateral disarmament.....translation "I can't answer any of the questions"





That's the point..look at all the other pass rush specialist enshrined in Canton. They didn't disappear in big games, your weak attempts to deflect to conversation speaks volumes.

All chef fan says is kc was winningest team in the nineties yet glosses over their 3-7 post season record (during dt's tenure) who's "best player" vanished like a fart in the wind come the playoffs.

Bottomline his best games happened at Sparrowhead (due to the crowd noise) and during the regular season...That's not Canton-worthy.



The original question you're responding to was mine. You are deflecting. I simply could care less about your arguement based in BS.

This just in. He was in fact Canton worthy.

You know who aint done **** in this league? Von Miller. He may someday match DTs carreer. But I doubt it.

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This thread drove off the road and became paralyzed as soon as you guys started arguing with Chiefs fans. It's dead now, let it go.
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It had to have bugged Thomas to see Neil Smith win two rings as a Bronco especially since it was Thomas' new contract that signaled the end of Smith's career in KC.
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Nice use of pretzel logic. Champ Bailey has been on teams that actually won in the playoffs AND had an impact on the games outcome unlike derrick Houdini thomas who would disappeared in big games.

Now answer the question...what happened in the biggest game of his entire career?


DT has been on teams that have won in the playoffs too. He was there in the early 90's with Montana. In fact, DT has MORE playoff wins than Champ as of right now, so there goes your "pretzel logic".

And how about Champ disappearing when Peyton Manning threw 5 TD's and steamrolled you in 2003 to at 41-10 beatdown? Or how about Tom Brady doing the same in January? Where was Champ?

Oh that's right, he had a terrible game, just like his TEAM did, so don't even pull that garbage.

Your own logic shuts you up again.
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Bottomline his best games happened at Sparrowhead (due to the crowd noise) and during the regular season...That's not Canton-worthy.



That's what made Arrowhead one of the most feared places to play in the 90's and made him such a good player. For someone who lives in KC, you sure have no idea about the team.
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DT has been on teams that have won in the playoffs too. He was there in the early 90's with Montana. In fact, DT has MORE playoff wins than Champ as of right now, so there goes your "pretzel logic".

And how about Champ disappearing when Peyton Manning threw 5 TD's and steamrolled you in 2003 to at 41-10 beatdown? Or how about Tom Brady doing the same in January? Where was Champ?

Oh that's right, he had a terrible game, just like his TEAM did, so don't even pull that garbage.

Your own logic shuts you up again.

Last time I checked Champ Bailey started in all his playoff appearances unlike derrick thomas and he also showed up on the stat sheet unlike derrick thomas.

Champ has never had an entire defense bulit around him (I guess you don't remember the "FALCON" position) Nice try but you still can't answer these simple questions..


1.) Where was he in the biggest game of his career?
2.) Why did he disappear in the postseason?
3.) Why did the chefs lose the "epic" seven sack game?


Answer those and you'll understand...
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The original question you're responding to was mine. You are deflecting. I simply could care less about your arguement based in BS.

This just in. He was in fact Canton worthy.

You know who aint done **** in this league? Von Miller. He may someday match DTs carreer. But I doubt it.

Apparently a paint by numbers template must be employed.

Why didn't derrick thomas start in the 1993 AFC Championship game?

Why did the chefs lose derrick thomas's seven sack game.

Why did he disappear in the playoffs.

Thanks in advance!
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Last time I checked Champ Bailey started in all his playoff appearances unlike derrick thomas and he also showed up on the stat sheet unlike derrick thomas.

Champ has never had an entire defense bulit around him (I guess you don't remember the "FALCON" position) Nice try but you still can't answer these simple questions..


1.) Where was he in the biggest game of his career?
2.) Why did he disappear in the postseason?
3.) Why did the chefs lose the "epic" seven sack game?


Answer those and you'll understand...
So Champ gets a pass for not having a better team built around him, but yet DT doesn't get a pass when his offense never helped the defense out. Got it.

And you blaming the Seattle loss on DT is so amazingly laughable considering what he did.
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So Champ gets a pass for not having a better team built around him, but yet DT doesn't get a pass when his offense never helped the defense out. Got it.
Good enough to play in ten postseason games.



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And you blaming the Seattle loss on DT is so amazingly laughable considering what he did.
What happened on the last play of the game?



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Good enough to play in ten postseason games.





What happened on the last play of the game?



What happened to Champ in January? You would think the best CB in the league would have stopped Tom Brady from throwing 5 TD's in the first half. Looks like he "disappeared"

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What happened to Champ in January? You would think the best CB in the league would have stopped Tom Brady from throwing 5 TD's in the first half. Looks like he "disappeared"

Allow me to apolgize my overestimation of your ability to comprehend is an error.

I was at that game and know what happened on the last play and it's impact on the outcome.

Riddle me this...If holding the record for the number of sacks in a game is such a big deal why did that TEAM lose the game?

*SIGH* it goes to show how insignificant that record really is in regards to a team sport.

Look at all the other single game records and how they how they affected the outcome of games.

Hope that helps!
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Allow me to apolgize my overestimation of your ability to comprehend is an error.

I was at that game and know what happened on the last play and it's impact on the outcome.

Riddle me this...If holding the record for the number of sacks in a game is such a big deal why did that TEAM lose the game?

*SIGH* it goes to show how insignificant that record really is in regards to a team sport.

Look at all the other single game records and how they how they affected the outcome of games.

Hope that helps!
Yeah it sure is insignificant. It's so insignificant, that it's written in Canton for no reason. Try again, clown.
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Yeah it sure is insignificant. It's so insignificant, that it's written in Canton for no reason. Try again, clown.

So the game is played to obtain records and not for victories. Glynn Milburn made into Canton for a single game record that his team also lost. The only difference is you don't see Bronco fans thumping their chests about it.
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