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Old 07-06-2012, 11:36 AM   #876
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Just finished. thanks for the summation, thats what I THOUGHT was going on but u was a little confused, especially where connington fit in.
While I've enjoyed the books, my main criticism of Martin would be that he starts too many different factions, too many different things going on, at a point where he needs to be reeling it in, bringing things together.
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Ya know, I kind of agree with you...it wouldn't be so bad IF he was pumping these out with a little more regularity. According to him, he plans on having two 1500 pagers to close things out, which would be MORE than enough writing to reel it all in. But having to wait for 10 years might propel the dissatisfaction that you have (and a lot of people share).

Are there some specific examples you're referring to, or were you talking in more of a general term?
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:09 PM   #878
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While I've enjoyed the books, my main criticism of Martin would be that he starts too many different factions, too many different things going on, at a point where he needs to be reeling it in, bringing things together.
Try the Wheel of Time series by Jordan. Thrice as bad.
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Try the Wheel of Time series by Jordan. Thrice as bad.
I read the first three, back in the day when they were coming out. I caught on to what he was doing.

I feel a little ashamed it took me three honking books, all the while thinking "maybe, just maybe . . . ."

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Yep. the fear with GRRM is that he's going to go "full Jordan" on us.
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Yep. the fear with GRRM is that he's going to go "full Jordan" on us.
Hey, I love the Jordan books too. Just saying there's considerably more characters and more plot lines than the GRRM series

Reading a complex series like this is easy for me if I read it after it is completely written, and therefore I can read one book after the other until I'm done. It's the waiting game between books that drives me nuts. This last Martin book took so long to come out that I had practically forgotten everything.

For the person who now starts the Jordan series, I think they're in for a good ride. Same for the Terry Goodkind Sword of Truth series (which I also really liked). But I talk to lots of people who just caught up to Martin's series....and I know the trash talk will now begin as they wait for more books.
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I've been left wanting at this point, so I'm looking at finding a new series to read. Bought and read the first Hunger Games book this weekend (wasn't a huge fan), so can I get some recomendations as to another good fantasy/sci-fi book?

What is the "full Jordan" you guys are talking about with the Wheel series? Is that something I want to stay away from?

Haven't read Dune, is that pretty decent?

The last time I really got into a series (aside from the Song of Ice and Fire) , was the Redwall series by Brian Jacques. It was in my teenage years, and I loved it.
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I've been left wanting at this point, so I'm looking at finding a new series to read. Bought and read the first Hunger Games book this weekend (wasn't a huge fan), so can I get some recomendations as to another good fantasy/sci-fi book?

What is the "full Jordan" you guys are talking about with the Wheel series? Is that something I want to stay away from?

Haven't read Dune, is that pretty decent?

The last time I really got into a series (aside from the Song of Ice and Fire) , was the Redwall series by Brian Jacques. It was in my teenage years, and I loved it.
The Dune Series is one of the greatest acheivments in the history of SciFi literature. I can't recommend it highly enough.

If you want fantasy though try either The Malazan Book of the Fallen series by Steven Erikson or The Prince of Nothing series by R Scott Bakker. Both are excellent.
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The Dune Series is one of the greatest acheivments in the history of SciFi literature. I can't recommend it highly enough.

If you want fantasy though try either The Malazan Book of the Fallen series by Steven Erikson or The Prince of Nothing series by R Scott Bakker. Both are excellent.
Thanks! I'll start looking into them.
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Try the Wheel of Time series by Jordan. Thrice as bad.
At least Jordan had a plan on how it would all come together and left detail notes after he died on how he wanted it to end. I still believe that Martin doesn't have clue on how he wants to wrap it up.
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If you want fantasy though try either The Malazan Book of the Fallen series by Steven Erikson or The Prince of Nothing series by R Scott Bakker. Both are excellent.
The Book of the Fallen are good, but be prepared for a whole host of characters that fall in and out of the 11 books. It is difficult at times to keep all them straight when there are minor characters in one book, that become major players in another then completely disappear for the rest of the series.
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The Book of the Fallen are good, but be prepared for a whole host of characters that fall in and out of the 11 books. It is difficult at times to keep all them straight when there are minor characters in one book, that become major players in another then completely disappear for the rest of the series.
While this is true, the first 7 or 8 books are pretty much self-contained. Each book also has a complete character glossary so I never really found it hard to keep track of who is who.
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While this is true, the first 7 or 8 books are pretty much self-contained. Each book also has a complete character glossary so I never really found it hard to keep track of who is who.
It little harder when you take a couple of years reading between books as I did, it very good series but it very epic in scale which means lots of different charactors. Also I recommend Ian Esslemont spin offs that close a lot of loose ends of the main books.
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I've been left wanting at this point, so I'm looking at finding a new series to read. Bought and read the first Hunger Games book this weekend (wasn't a huge fan), so can I get some recomendations as to another good fantasy/sci-fi book?

What is the "full Jordan" you guys are talking about with the Wheel series? Is that something I want to stay away from?

Haven't read Dune, is that pretty decent?

The last time I really got into a series (aside from the Song of Ice and Fire) , was the Redwall series by Brian Jacques. It was in my teenage years, and I loved it.
Dune is rad. Read it. Read all of them, except the ones by his son (Brian Herbert). Those are stupid.
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Damnit. Adding these books to the pile is really the straw that broke the camel's back in so far as my endless reading list is concerned. Speed listening here I come.
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I've been left wanting at this point, so I'm looking at finding a new series to read. Bought and read the first Hunger Games book this weekend (wasn't a huge fan), so can I get some recomendations as to another good fantasy/sci-fi book?

What is the "full Jordan" you guys are talking about with the Wheel series? Is that something I want to stay away from?

Haven't read Dune, is that pretty decent?

The last time I really got into a series (aside from the Song of Ice and Fire) , was the Redwall series by Brian Jacques. It was in my teenage years, and I loved it.
The best Fantasy Book/Series I read in long time is The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss. It very very very good. I read the 500 plus pages in less two days because I was so into that book and follow on one.

Also I liked JV Jones Sword of Shadows series. It is very solid read

And of course Cook's Black Company series which is master piece.
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The best Fantasy Book/Series I read in long time is The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss. It very very very good. I read the 500 plus pages in less two days because I was so into that book and follow on one.

Also I liked JV Jones Sword of Shadows series. It is very solid read

And of course Cook's Black Company series which is master piece.
Big fan of those as well, Elsid.
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I've been left wanting at this point, so I'm looking at finding a new series to read. Bought and read the first Hunger Games book this weekend (wasn't a huge fan), so can I get some recomendations as to another good fantasy/sci-fi book?

What is the "full Jordan" you guys are talking about with the Wheel series? Is that something I want to stay away from?

Haven't read Dune, is that pretty decent?

The last time I really got into a series (aside from the Song of Ice and Fire) , was the Redwall series by Brian Jacques. It was in my teenage years, and I loved it.
"The Full Jordan" means the author allowing the story to get away from him/her - creating 30 or more Points of View, 250+ significant characters and 1,200+ minor ones - and then dying.

Agree whole heartedly with the Rothfuss suggestion.

I also like Brian Sanderson (the guy annointed to sort out the Robert Jordan mess and finish Wheel of Time) and Joe Abercrombie, among the newer authors - and if you haven't read Dune, there may be a whole bunch of classic, classic series that you missed back in the '80;s and '90's: Try David Eddings or Barbara Hambly or Anne McCaffrey..

Oh - and Dune is awesome.

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