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Old 06-04-2012, 12:13 PM   #826
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Would bet money Howland is introduced in WoW and spills the beans.
I expect you're right, but Jojen and Meera may also know the truth - whatever the truth is.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:13 PM   #827
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That's just an assumption you're making. SPOILER: ( So little happens on Brans journey precoldhands that they could cut it all out outside of the one scene with jon and the wildlings. )
SPOILER: ( I'd say Bran being guided by Jojen learning to control his warging ability is fairly important, though it could be relegated to a handful of short scenes easily. I would bet that they seperate Bran and Rickon when the Reeds show up next season. )

In general I feel that they attributed way too much time to the events in Kings Landing, and the other more interesting and important plots suffered for it.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:16 PM   #828
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Would bet money Howland is introduced in WoW and spills the beans.
Im sure it will happen, wouldnt be surprised if he is somehow at the wall.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:34 PM   #829
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SPOILER: ( I'd say Bran being guided by Jojen learning to control his warging ability is fairly important, though it could be relegated to a handful of short scenes easily. I would bet that they seperate Bran and Rickon when the Reeds show up next season. )

In general I feel that they attributed way too much time to the events in Kings Landing, and the other more interesting and important plots suffered for it.
I agree. Probably cost related.
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SPOILER: ( I'd say Bran being guided by Jojen learning to control his warging ability is fairly important, though it could be relegated to a handful of short scenes easily. I would bet that they seperate Bran and Rickon when the Reeds show up next season. )

In general I feel that they attributed way too much time to the events in Kings Landing, and the other more interesting and important plots suffered for it.
Yeah, I really think HBO needs to increase to at least 12 epis, which is pretty normal for their series anyway.

I suggest they scrap the terrible "Girls" and reassign all its budget too.
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SPOILER: ( I'd say Bran being guided by Jojen learning to control his warging ability is fairly important, though it could be relegated to a handful of short scenes easily. I would bet that they seperate Bran and Rickon when the Reeds show up next season. )

In general I feel that they attributed way too much time to the events in Kings Landing, and the other more interesting and important plots suffered for it.
RE: your spoiler. I guess you didnt notice but Osha pretty much handled ALL of that this past season on the show.
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:06 PM   #833
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Im sure it will happen, wouldnt be surprised if he is somehow at the wall.
Haha yeah, EVERYONE needs to GTFUpthere or there's not enough pepper for the Westerosi collective anguses.
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:59 PM   #834
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So let's say I've watched seasons one and two but don't want to go back and read books one and two. Actually I would, but my reading time is filled up with lots of other books that must be read. Would I be able to pick up the third book and understand what was going on just having watched the first two on TV?

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So let's say I've watched seasons one and two but don't want to go back and read books one and two. Actually I would, but my reading time is filled up with lots of other books that must be read. Would I be able to pick up the third book and understand what was going on just having watched the first two on TV?

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Yeah; All of the major plot lines are in motion, though lots of little details have changed.
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Old 06-04-2012, 08:49 PM   #836
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So let's say I've watched seasons one and two but don't want to go back and read books one and two. Actually I would, but my reading time is filled up with lots of other books that must be read. Would I be able to pick up the third book and understand what was going on just having watched the first two on TV?

Thanks and I'll listen off the air.


Yes, for sure. The details you'd miss wouldn't be important enough to ruin your read. This would, however, be like going straight for dessert before having your steak and wine (Book three is the best book of the series in most opinions). You can't lose, to be sure - especially if you don't have the time to read the first two books. But the first two books provide better character details than you currently know - including the character of Westeros itself.

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Yes, for sure. The details you'd miss wouldn't be important enough to ruin your read. This would, however, be like going straight for dessert before having your steak and wine (Book three is the best book of the series in most opinions). You can't lose, to be sure - especially if you don't have the time to read the first two books. But the first two books provide better character details than you currently know - including the character of Westeros itself.
Nice way of putting it, Taco. I agree completely. Also, nice to see/read you here, Endy. Been awhile oldtimer.
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Nice way of putting it, Taco. I agree completely. Also, nice to see/read you here, Endy. Been awhile oldtimer.
Still read the mane every day. Don't post much though (obviously). I usually don't get into threads until they've hit the third/fourth page digression into idiocy. This is where I make the requisite statement about how good things used to be in the "Good Old Days" of OM when we all just hated the Chiefs/Raiders/Chargers and not each other.

Old is right though. That pic in my avatar is of my first son who was born in October 2003, about 7 months after I joined the OM. He's in 3rd grade now and travels every year to Denver to see at least one Broncos game. Should probably get around to changing that avatar some time.

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Old 06-06-2012, 09:25 AM   #839
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I finally watched the finale last night (I had gotten far behind, but watched five episodes the past two nights). I agree that the sacking of Winterfell was perplexing to someone who hasn't read the book yet.

I was also a bit confused by what happened to the Hound and Sansa--we see them leaving and then Sansa is in the throne room when Tywin rides his horse in, etc. Is there more to this part of the story that will be revealed later? Did I miss something?
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I finally watched the finale last night (I had gotten far behind, but watched five episodes the past two nights). I agree that the sacking of Winterfell was perplexing to someone who hasn't read the book yet.

I was also a bit confused by what happened to the Hound and Sansa--we see them leaving and then Sansa is in the throne room when Tywin rides his horse in, etc. Is there more to this part of the story that will be revealed later? Did I miss something?
Sansa didn't go with the Hound. She said no when he offered to take her away.
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Sansa didn't go with the Hound. She said no when he offered to take her away.
When i saw that in the show, I couldn't BELIEVE she didn't go with him!!!! About halfway through book 2 now, and the Hound is still one of my favorite characters. Tyrion is head and shoulders above everyone else though, that little (p)imp is just such an incredible character.

Also, one thing that I've noticed, is that Varys isn't getting some of the justice he deserves imo. In the books, he comes off as MUCH more cunning/capable than he does on t.v.

Can't put these books down, SO much more in depth!!!!!!!!
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When i saw that in the show, I couldn't BELIEVE she didn't go with him!!!! About halfway through book 2 now, and the Hound is still one of my favorite characters. Tyrion is head and shoulders above everyone else though, that little (p)imp is just such an incredible character.

Also, one thing that I've noticed, is that Varys isn't getting some of the justice he deserves imo. In the books, he comes off as MUCH more cunning/capable than he does on t.v.

Can't put these books down, SO much more in depth!!!!!!!!
Maybe so, but Varys also comes off FAR MORE likeable in the show than in the books, imo.
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Maybe so, but Varys also comes off FAR MORE likeable in the show than in the books, imo.

I would agree with that...however I'm not TOO far along yet, and as of right now the books convey a fairly soft side. Of course, he'll do anything to help the realm, and his little birds ARE everywhere, and jrrm HAS duped me into believing his lies much like Ned Stark did...SO MUCH DECEIT!!!!! NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED!!!!!!

Another quick thing - for someone that hasn't checked ahead for spoilers, I'm getting a strong feeling that Arya and Robert's Bastard Gendry are headed for big things. Seems like it could be a love story in the making? She'd be a pretty bowss queen (imo) someday, if Stannis/Rob/Joff/ are all killed off. I really like that there are soooo many possibilities! LOVE THIS SERIES!
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I'm getting a strong feeling that Arya and Robert's Bastard Gendry are headed for big things. Seems like it could be a love story in the making? She'd be a pretty bowss queen (imo) someday, if Stannis/Rob/Joff/ are all killed off. I really like that there are soooo many possibilities! LOVE THIS SERIES!
You'll have your answer in book three.
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I would agree with that...however I'm not TOO far along yet, and as of right now the books convey a fairly soft side. Of course, he'll do anything to help the realm, and his little birds ARE everywhere, and jrrm HAS duped me into believing his lies much like Ned Stark did...SO MUCH DECEIT!!!!! NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED!!!!!!

Another quick thing - for someone that hasn't checked ahead for spoilers, I'm getting a strong feeling that Arya and Robert's Bastard Gendry are headed for big things. Seems like it could be a love story in the making? She'd be a pretty bowss queen (imo) someday, if Stannis/Rob/Joff/ are all killed off. I really like that there are soooo many possibilities! LOVE THIS SERIES!
By the end of book 5 Arya is pregnant with Gendry's baby.
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By the end of book 5 Arya is pregnant with Gendry's baby.
And obviously dark magics were involved, or they are using rBGH in the milk in Westeros =)
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Jesus, waaaaaaaaaaaay too many spoilers in this thread. Somebody should have started a thread for the books and a thread for the show and prevented all this overlap.
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By the end of book 5 Arya is pregnant with Gendry's baby.
Good Laaaaawd if that's true when I get to the fifth book I'm warping back in time to superdragonpunch your genitalia.
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Jesus, waaaaaaaaaaaay too many spoilers in this thread. Somebody should have started a thread for the books and a thread for the show and prevented all this overlap.



Rev is effing with you guys on the baby part. He would just blast out a spoiler like that if it was true....Hes kind enough to put up the spoiler tags when needed.

Having said that I still cant believe SPOILER: that joffrey knocked up his own mother...End Spoiler---the incest runs deep in that family.
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