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Old 05-22-2012, 08:47 AM   #51
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Clady is a pro-bowl quality RT but when you have a QB that holds the ball way too long it going to make any Oline look bad. it's like CBs,they can only effectively cover a WR for so long.
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doh! my bad.
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Clady is a pro-bowl quality RT but when you have a QB that holds the ball way too long it going to make any Oline look bad. it's like CBs,they can only effectively cover a WR for so long.
Pay the man while his stock is down because he is going to look great with 18.
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I'd tread carefully on this if I were the Broncos. PFT had a post about Clady today and his decline statistically, it wasn't pretty. I think he needs to really prove himself this year before he gets seriously paid. He isn't the same and needs to get alot better.
I think a lot of that had to do with Tebow not knowing how to move in the pocket.

Plus he was playing injured. I still think Clady is a top-ten, possibly a top-five left tackle.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:40 AM   #56
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I think a lot of that had to do with Tebow not knowing how to move in the pocket.

Plus he was playing injured. I still think Clady is a top-ten, possibly a top-five left tackle.
the key to the whole thing is he ever going to get back to his rookie level?

Something tells me that he did not heal right and will never be that top 5 guy again..

I'll hope that Elway is smart enough to have perfomance clauses in the contract..
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the key to the whole thing is he ever going to get back to his rookie level?

Something tells me that he did not heal right and will never be that top 5 guy again..
Or that he never had a proper rehabilitation because of the lockout.

They were saying on the 'Herd that Clady is still an elite top-10 left tackle in the NFL... and he'll get better. Now is the time to get it done.

They're saying he should be getting D'brickashaw Ferguson money (about 10m a year).
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Or that he never had a proper rehabilitation because of the lockout.

They were saying on the 'Herd that Clady is still an elite top-10 left tackle in the NFL... and he'll get better. Now is the time to get it done.

They're saying he should be getting D'brickashaw Ferguson money (about 10m a year).
well I have stopped listening to the herd as he has been wrong more than right.

But a top ten OLT is indeed in the 8-10 a year guy..

I just do not see him as all that.. He needs to prove to me he is the guy he was in his rookie season..

as for lockout rehabb, I'm not buying that there is little he could not have done out of Dove valley than he could have done there..

his injury is very common place now days.. loads of greta doctors and rehabb places..

and IF he did nto rehabb like he should have without Greek standing over him, do we want a guy without the personal incentive to get it done?
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I'd tread carefully on this if I were the Broncos. PFT had a post about Clady today and his decline statistically, it wasn't pretty. I think he needs to really prove himself this year before he gets seriously paid. He isn't the same and needs to get alot better.
It is not like we are going to be able to do better over the next couple of years if Manning is healthy.

Just look at duh bears woes on the OL and though they really seem to go out of their way NOT to find guys that can play at Clady's level they do not have anyone on their OL who is as good or better than him.

We should be talking about what a great draft pick Clady was because he came in and started at an elite level as a rookie and played well until his injury.

I think he gets it back on track with Manning and will excel having Manning as a leader. I think there will be less confusion in the huddle and everyone will be on the same page.

I say lock him up. It is hard to find talent like Ryan's.
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well I have stopped listening to the herd as he has been wrong more than right.

But a top ten OLT is indeed in the 8-10 a year guy..

I just do not see him as all that.. He needs to prove to me he is the guy he was in his rookie season..

as for lockout rehabb, I'm not buying that there is little he could not have done out of Dove valley than he could have done there..

his injury is very common place now days.. loads of greta doctors and rehabb places..

and IF he did nto rehabb like he should have without Greek standing over him, do we want a guy without the personal incentive to get it done?
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He's on during my afternoon commute home.
he is on early where I live.. 8ish..

just stopped listening to him as he is like rush always trying to stir the pot..
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Some good Clady observations. (hat tip to pricejj who posted this in another thread)

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...ladys-contract
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:58 PM   #64
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Some good Clady observations. (hat tip to pricejj who posted this in another thread)

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...ladys-contract
Came here to post this. GREAT piece.
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:31 PM   #65
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Who is the IAOFM guy? Does he post here? I sure enjoy his articles.
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Who is the IAOFM guy? Does he post here? I sure enjoy his articles.
it is a web site that several quite knowledgeable guys post articles at with loads of others commneting on what they have said..

but let me comment it is a place for serious commentary the best in all of Bronco land that I have seen..
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Contract terms block Ryan Clady deal with Broncos


Contract negotiations between the Broncos and all-pro left tackle Ryan Clady have been snagged. The two sides recently exchanged multiyear proposals but the numbers were far enough apart that an NFL source said an extension by the time the Broncos are to report to training camp next Wednesday does not seem likely.

Clady, the Broncos' first-round pick in the 2008 draft, is scheduled to make $3.5 million this season in the final year of his rookie contract.




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Old 07-18-2012, 09:05 AM   #69
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Contract negotiations between the Broncos and all-pro left tackle Ryan Clady have been snagged. The two sides recently exchanged multiyear proposals but the numbers were far enough apart that an NFL source said an extension by the time the Broncos are to report to training camp next Wednesday does not seem likely.

Clady, the Broncos' first-round pick in the 2008 draft, is scheduled to make $3.5 million this season in the final year of his rookie contract.




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I say let him play this season out at 3.5. If he sucks, you can let him walk or offer him a reduced contract. If he plays out of this world, you can tag him or offer him a respectable contract, let him walk and take the compensatory pick.
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I say let him play this season out at 3.5. If he sucks, you can let him walk or offer him a reduced contract. If he plays out of this world, you can tag him or offer him a respectable contract, let him walk and take the compensatory pick.
Seems like a reasonable position for them to take. Reading between the lines, I would be willing to bet that contract talks have stalled because Clady wants to get paid on his pre-injury top 3 LT in the league form from a few years ago. If he thrives with Peyton at the helm and regains his status as a top 5 LT, break the bank and sign him to a long term deal. If he struggles in an offense with one of the most cerebral, hardest to sack QB's in the leauge, then he's probably never going to return to an elite level of play.
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Old 07-18-2012, 10:22 AM   #71
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I personally love it when guys are playing in a contract year. I'd be willing to wager that in the entire history of the NFL, players have had their worst season in a contract year less than 1% of the time; but on the flip side have had their best season of their careers over 75% of the time.

It's hardly a coincidence.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:13 AM   #72
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Better snag him up. Drafting a LT high shouldn't be a priority next year.
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I would say pay him now while his stock is a little low, but if we let him hit the market, somebody is going to overpay for him (ie-Jeremy Lin) and then we are back to square one. Then what do we do? Draft a new LT? Move Beadles out to tackle and Blake to guard? Harris or Franklin to LT? Peyton made marginal/average linemen look great and I believe that Clady is fourth or fifth in the league. At the bare minimum above average. Give him the extension or face way too many questions for a key position that protects our franchise.
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I would say pay him now while his stock is a little low,
They tried. The offers from either side aren't even close enough to pretend like they're going to get something done in the near future. Time to shelve it until Clady comes to his senses.


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but if we let him hit the market, somebody is going to overpay for him (ie-Jeremy Lin) and then we are back to square one.
Let them. Better someone else overpay than us.

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Precisely why we shouldn't overpay him.

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Give him the extension or face way too many questions for a key position that protects our franchise.
Again, they tried. The team, like most sane folks, are most likely trying to lowball a little because....like you said....his stock is at a low right now. Clady is probably looking for top 5 left tackle money. He clearly isn't worth that today.

Worst case, we franchise him next year. The only way he walks is if he sucks this year and still wants top money. They'll never let him go if he plays like he's capable of playing this season.
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Pay the man! They made a large investment in PM and they better have a competent LT to protect him
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