New Broncos Coordinator Jack Del Rio says Denver Expects to have a Top-10 Defense

[Drek]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Mays is the starter.

1. You don't pay a guy $4M per year to sit the bench.
2. And you definitely don't pay a Mays $4M per year (for 3 years) if Irving had shown any indication that he could start at MLB in the NFL.
3. You also don't sign 2 UDFA's who can play MLB, if you thought Irving was starting MLB material.

That 3 year, $12M deal has $4M guaranteed, i.e. nothing but year one is guaranteed.

They've set it up for Mays to come in as the incumbent and take the next step, but the door has been left wide open for Irving to take it from him. The two UDFAs are low cost insurance bets on neither of Mays or Irving getting it done.

I think the "Idiot Cannonball" nickname is perfectly apt with Mays but I'm also not disingenuous enough to let my distaste for his shortcomings last year to completely cloud my perspective for this year. Mays will now be spending year 2 back in a 4-3 since coming to Denver, getting his first off-season of work in this system, and working with a good former LB, great LB coach, and very good DC all rolled in one with JDR. The chances he doesn't make at least marginal improvement over what he gave us last year is pretty slim.

Now take those benefits and apply them to Nate Irving who is a better athlete with better coverage technique and younger. Put him under JDR's tutelage for the whole OTAs/camp/pre-season. I'd say there is some reason to be bullish on Irving long term as well.

That honestly is a big missed point in the whole Benedict Allen being replaced with JDR. Not just that JDR is a good defensive coach, but that our weakest unit for overall play last year were the LBs. Del Rio has always had some pretty solid LB play everywhere he's been. We've already got Champ regulating the DBs on the field and Fox is a former DBs guy himself. Now we have Del Rio giving us that same level of expertise with the front seven in general and LBs in particular.

[Wes Mantooth]

Originally Posted by houghtam

So if you grew up a fan, you can't get fed up with your team? Got it. Thanks for clearing that up, superfan.

Well I certainly don't care to be an objective fan. Thought you were always suppose to stick with your team through thick and thin. In fact, I always thought watching and following your favorite team was always suppose to be a departure from reality.

I guess if you have come to the conclusion watching Bronco football equates choosing a cell phone carrier or deciding which smart phone os to buy, you should move on.

Good luck.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Oh, you think Irving will be starting MLB this year too? Or EVER for that matter? I definitely would be willing to wager on that.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Oh, you think Irving will be starting MLB this year too? Or EVER for that matter? I definitely would be willing to wager on that.

I will take that bet that he will get more playing time then the UDFA's.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by Drek

That 3 year, $12M deal has $4M guaranteed, i.e. nothing but year one is guaranteed.

They've set it up for Mays to come in as the incumbent and take the next step, but the door has been left wide open for Irving to take it from him. The two UDFAs are low cost insurance bets on neither of Mays or Irving getting it done.

I think the "Idiot Cannonball" nickname is perfectly apt with Mays but I'm also not disingenuous enough to let my distaste for his shortcomings last year to completely cloud my perspective for this year. Mays will now be spending year 2 back in a 4-3 since coming to Denver, getting his first off-season of work in this system, and working with a good former LB, great LB coach, and very good DC all rolled in one with JDR. The chances he doesn't make at least marginal improvement over what he gave us last year is pretty slim.

I like Mays, he's a good player, a good guy, and was probably the best option going into this year (unless you think we should have drafted Hightower...too bad we didn't need a QBOTF eh?). However, he is simply too slow (4.9 forty) to ever be anything more than a liability in pass coverage.

Originally Posted by Drek

Now take those benefits and apply them to Nate Irving who is a better athlete with better coverage technique and younger. Put him under JDR's tutelage for the whole OTAs/camp/pre-season. I'd say there is some reason to be bullish on Irving long term as well.

I had high hopes for Irving coming out of the draft...but we literally have seen nothing that would indicate he can become a player in the NFL. Compounding this is the fact that he has a metal rod in his leg. I hope he develops into something special...but from what I've seen, I have my doubts.

I think Danny Trevathan is a better prospect at MLB, honestly.

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

I will take that bet that he will get more playing time then the UDFA's.

The point is that the Broncos are not sold on who we have at MLB. Do you have anything to dispute that, or are you just nitpicking posts?

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by pricejj

I like Mays, he's a good player, a good guy, and was probably the best option going into this year (unless you think we should have drafted Hightower...too bad we didn't need a QBOTF eh?). However, he is simply too slow (4.9 forty) to ever be anything more than a liability in pass coverage.



I had high hopes for Irving coming out of the draft...but we literally have seen nothing that would indicate he can become a player in the NFL. Compounding this is the fact that he has a metal rod in his leg. I hope he develops into something special...but from what I've seen, I have my doubts.

I think Danny Trevathan is a better prospect at MLB, honestly.




The point is that the Broncos are not sold on who we have at MLB. Do you have anything to dispute that, or are you just nitpicking posts?

Um Denver brought back Mays and didn't draft another MLB. I think that says they are sold on either Mays or Irving. Signing a couple of camp scrubs doesn't help your point at all.

[DBroncos4life]

Danny Trevathan at MLB? A 230 pound MLB? Are you ****ing nuts?

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Danny Trevathan at MLB? A 230 pound MLB? Are you ****ing nuts?

Danny Trevathan is 237 lbs.
Al Wilson is 239 lbs.

Similar size, speed, and production. Trevathan is an Al Wilson clone.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Danny Trevathan is 237 lbs.
Al Wilson is 239 lbs.

Similar size, speed, and production. Trevathan is an Al Wilson clone.

He doesn't weight 237, he didn't run a 4.56 40 time like Al. STFU up with calling him a Al Willson clone.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Um Denver brought back Mays and didn't draft another MLB. I think that says they are sold on either Mays or Irving. Signing a couple of camp scrubs doesn't help your point at all.

I didn't say they weren't "sold" on Mays for the 2011 season. However, he has some limitations that have been well documented.

Like I said, I don't think Irving will ever play MLB for the Broncos.

[Tombstone RJ]

Irving is expected to be the Broncos next MLBer. Mays has a 1 year contract and after this year he's probably finished as the starting MLB. The Broncos want Irving to be the guy but if he can't do it might be a guy like Franklin or Trevathan or maybe the kid from KU.

[DBroncos4life]

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Yeah they look so close.....

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

He doesn't weight 237

Really? That's weird, because he did at the combine.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...012&genpos=OLB

He is also 1/2" taller than Al Wilson, and could put on 5 lbs. easy, without slowing him down at all.

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

he didn't run a 4.56 40 time like Al. STFU up with calling him a Al Willson clone.

Well, Trevathan ran 4.45 a few years ago...4.56 is probably pretty dang close to his actual forty time.

http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-...n_danny00.html

Trevathan's college production was unreal, and he showed flashes in rookie mini-camp. I think he may have what it takes to start at MLB.

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Trevathan or maybe the kid from KU.

same guy

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Yeah they look so close.....

So let me get this straight...

You are disputing that scales are weighing Trevathan wrong?

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by pricejj

same guy

The kid from Kansas homey.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Really? That's weird, because he did at the combine.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...012&genpos=OLB

He is also 1/2" taller than Al Wilson, and could put on 5 lbs. easy, without slowing him down at all.



Well, Trevathan ran 4.45 a few years ago...4.56 is probably pretty dang close to his actual forty time.

http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-...n_danny00.html

Trevathan's college production was unreal, and he showed flashes in rookie mini-camp. I think he may have what it takes to start at MLB.

Lol putting on combine weight is SOOOOOOO much different then NFL playing weight. Hell I bet he is about 230 after rookie camp now.

He ran a 4.84 just this year so I think 4.84 is closer to his real time then your made up 4.56.

The fact that his college playing weight was around 230 and that extra 7 pounds he put on for the combine slowed him from a 4.5 to a 4.8 means he can't put on another 5 pounds and not slow down.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by pricejj

So let me get this straight...

You are disputing that scales are weighing Trevathan wrong?

Are you saying Trevathan looks two pounds lighter then Al Wilson by looking at those pictures

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Are you saying Trevathan looks two pounds lighter then Al Wilson by looking at those pictures

Trevathan added 15 lbs. of muscle to his frame after his Sophomore year, and has been playing around 237 ever since. The picture I posted, shows Trevathan is pretty jacked.

Danny Trevathan 225 lb. bench reps - 18
Al Wilson 225 lb. bench reps - 17



Yeah, I'm rooting for Trevathan.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Lol putting on combine weight is SOOOOOOO much different then NFL playing weight. Hell I bet he is about 230 after rookie camp now.

He ran a 4.84 just this year so I think 4.84 is closer to his real time then your made up 4.56.

The fact that his college playing weight was around 230 and that extra 7 pounds he put on for the combine slowed him from a 4.5 to a 4.8 means he can't put on another 5 pounds and not slow down.

Like I said, he ran a 4.45 in High School. He had a pulled hamstring at the combine.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Trevathan added 15 lbs. of muscle to his frame after his Sophomore year, and has been playing around 237 ever since. The picture I posted, shows Trevathan is pretty jacked.

Danny Trevathan 225 lb. bench reps - 18
Al Wilson 225 lb. bench reps - 17



Yeah, I'm rooting for Trevathan.

Al Wilson didn't need to bulk up to play MLB in the NFL. That means he didn't lose the weight he bulked up to during the season. Trevathan isn't 237 and didn't play that at that weight. There are EQUAL as many things on the web saying he is 230. Even if he bulked up to 237 or the combine during an NFL season where you don't lift as often and you take a beating he will be down to 230 or less by the end of the season. This happened to Portis EVERY year.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Like I said, he ran a 4.45 in High School. He had a pulled hamstring at the combine.

He isn't getting faster as he gets older and bigger.

[DBroncos4life]

You are drunk if you think this....




Is 3 pounds less then this....

[mhgaffney]

drunk is good.

[kappys]

Nothing like the offseason where newly minted 6th round pick equals best Broncos MLB in the last 20 years.

[DENVERDUI55]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

You are drunk if you think this....




Is 3 pounds less then this....

Funny shiat two guys arguing weight through pictures.