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Old 05-19-2012, 05:13 PM   #76
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Yeah, and if that's true then I wish they had let him walk. I realize he's the most experienced middle linebacker they've got, but they're also really hoping that Irving pans out and even if he doesn't they're going to need to upgrade the position eventually. I would have preferred the money be spent on another defensive tackle or something.
I'm not yet convinced either but knowng what otheri holes they had to fill they are making do or hoping he turns into another ray lewis..

If he does a good job his contract is such that he would be tradeable also IF Irving comes on strong..

I think most of Y'all fail to realize that there is no way you can afford 8 pro bowlers on each side of the LOS even IF they could find them..

There are always going to be role players.. Some players that are not quite pro bowlers but still good enough to turn the team into a top ten or 5 defense..

As I have always said up grade the DL and everyone behind them becomes better.. May never be all pro. But the DL and OL makes everyone behind them either great or lousy.

Simple fact of life.. Something DEN have failed to grasp for a long time..

Does anyone think that Emmet Smith would have lasted as long or set as many records had he played in DEN instead of DAL?
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Old 05-19-2012, 05:15 PM   #77
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McClain isn't going to be missing any time because of his sentence, don't kid yourself. Hopefully he's suspended for at least 4-6 games, though.
Sorry but not up to speed on Mc lain, are the charges federal or state?
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Old 05-19-2012, 05:39 PM   #78
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There were 7 3 and outs in Chicago game that is probably as close as it gets but Tebow led Bronco's led league in them.
You can't put that all on Tebow anymore than you can give him all the credit for them going from 1-4 to the playoffs. Half the time they would run on third and long, and most of the other half of the time Tebow only got to throw once, also on third down. People around here act like Tebow threw two or three times on most of those three and outs, when the truth is he often threw once or not at all.
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Old 05-19-2012, 05:47 PM   #79
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Sorry but not up to speed on Mc lain, are the charges federal or state?
4 misdemeanor counts 45 days each (to be served concurrently). Steinberg appealed requesting a jury trial. I think he's going to jail eventually...but not sure when.
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4 misdemeanor counts 45 days each (to be served concurrently). Steinberg appealed requesting a jury trial. I think he's going to jail eventually...but not sure when.
Where was he convicted? State or federal?
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You can't put that all on Tebow anymore than you can give him all the credit for them going from 1-4 to the playoffs. Half the time they would run on third and long, and most of the other half of the time Tebow only got to throw once, also on third down. People around here act like Tebow threw two or three times on most of those three and outs, when the truth is he often threw once or not at all.
Hard to get into rythm throwing only when you have to.
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Old 05-19-2012, 06:19 PM   #82
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I think he's going to jail eventually...but not sure when.
At his own convenience.
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Old 05-19-2012, 06:54 PM   #83
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Del Rio had a two gap NT scheme in Baltimore and early in JAX..
Baltimore Adams and Goose
JAX Henderson and Stroud

Then he adopted to a pass rushing UT, to adapt to the game evolving.
It was a run first league then, now it's a pass first league.

Price, I 100% agree this team is a NT away from a dominant 3-4 front. They have 4-3 coaches though and can't keep changing but a let's look at what the 3-4 look could be..

3-4
Wolfe DE, Warren DE
Bannan DE, Jackson DE
Siliga NT..... Need a starting NT

Miller OLB, Doom OLB
Hunter OLB, Woodyard and Trevathan Coverage OLBs

DJ ILB, Mays ILB,
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:11 PM   #84
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Where was he convicted? State or federal?
You don't get federal charges for misdemeanors. Hell, you don't even get federal charges for most felonies.
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Thus far, the Broncos personnel does not reflect Jacksonville's personnel, defensively, under Del Rio.

I am interested to see how he coaches this team. He hasn't been known for unleashing linebackers on the quarterback, yet that's what he has in Miller. He hasn't been known for penetrating defensive tackles, yet that's what we just drafted.

I'm a little concerned about scheme, because the defense we have doesn't fit into the JDR mold, in terms of what he's coached before.
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:50 PM   #86
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Thus far, the Broncos personnel does not reflect Jacksonville's personnel, defensively, under Del Rio.

I am interested to see how he coaches this team. He hasn't been known for unleashing linebackers on the quarterback, yet that's what he has in Miller. He hasn't been known for penetrating defensive tackles, yet that's what we just drafted.

I'm a little concerned about scheme, because the defense we have doesn't fit into the JDR mold, in terms of what he's coached before.
JDR must have had some input on the D. They drafted plenty, signed plenty i n FA.
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Del Rio had a two gap NT scheme in Baltimore and early in JAX..
Baltimore Adams and Goose
JAX Henderson and Stroud

Then he adopted to a pass rushing UT, to adapt to the game evolving.
It was a run first league then, now it's a pass first league.

Price, I 100% agree this team is a NT away from a dominant 3-4 front. They have 4-3 coaches though and can't keep changing but a let's look at what the 3-4 look could be..

3-4
Wolfe DE, Warren DE
Bannan DE, Jackson DE
Siliga NT..... Need a starting NT

Miller OLB, Doom OLB
Hunter OLB, Woodyard and Trevathan Coverage OLBs

DJ ILB, Mays ILB,
Irving ILB, Franklin ILB
The linebacking would stink.

dj-not good enough at shedding blocks or playing in traffic to play inside. Miller stinks at pass coverage. Doom stinks at coverage. Mays same as DJ, just not that physical or big. Inside backers in a 3-4 often take on guards. at DJ taking on guards. He can barely make it at weakside in a 4-3. The DE would work and that is about it. Horrible idea. Switching back to 4-3 the best move they could have made.
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:27 AM   #88
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You can't put that all on Tebow anymore than you can give him all the credit for them going from 1-4 to the playoffs. Half the time they would run on third and long, and most of the other half of the time Tebow only got to throw once, also on third down. People around here act like Tebow threw two or three times on most of those three and outs, when the truth is he often threw once or not at all.
That's because he can't throw abbd they had better chance for first down running.
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That's because he can't throw abbd they had better chance for first down running.
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JDR has his work cut out for him. With Dawkins gone and DJ Williams missing the first handful of games, it'll be tough.

Broncos struggled against top offenses. Detroit, NE 2X and GB went off on you guys.
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JDR has his work cut out for him. With Dawkins gone and DJ Williams missing the first handful of games, it'll be tough.

Broncos struggled against top offenses. Detroit, NE 2X and GB went off on you guys.
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JDR has his work cut out for him. With Dawkins gone and DJ Williams missing the first handful of games, it'll be tough.

Broncos struggled against top offenses. Detroit, NE 2X and GB went off on you guys.
You're right...

The Broncos D got rocked pretty much after Dawkins went out...and got rocked against Green Bay (with Orton).

Replacing Dawkins with Adams, and replacing Goodman with Porter isn't going to make a big positive difference. Hopefully Derek Wolfe lights a fire on the D-Line. We need a leader.
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Broncos struggled against top offenses. Detroit, NE 2X and GB went off on you guys.
Queefs defense struggled against top offenses (DET-48, NE-34) and mediocre offenses like MIA (31) and NYJ (37).

Queefs also gave up 41 to Buffalo and 28 to a Curtis Painter-led Colts team
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You're right...

The Broncos D got rocked pretty much after Dawkins went out...and got rocked against Green Bay (with Orton).

Replacing Dawkins with Adams, and replacing Goodman with Porter isn't going to make a big positive difference
. Hopefully Derek Wolfe lights a fire on the D-Line. We need a leader.
Lol wut?
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Lol wut?
Thats what I was thinking.

Price, Porter upgrades Goodman substantially, and it's not even close..
Mike Adams is a good all around Free Safety. One of the unknowns in the NFL, who quietly does his job well. While he's not the leader or hitter Dawkins is, he is good at tackling and good in coverage. I dare say he may be better as a ball hawk than Dawkins.
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And Dawkins is a SS, so Denver upgraded FS and CB 2... Carter played SS in Dawkins absence so it's not like they downgraded.
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Thats what I was thinking.

Price, Porter upgrades Goodman substantially, and it's not even close..
Mike Adams is a good all around Free Safety. One of the unknowns in the NFL, who quietly does his job well. While he's not the leader or hitter Dawkins is, he is good at tackling and good in coverage. I dare say he may be better as a ball hawk than Dawkins.
We lost Dawkins leadership but the three vets we brought in on the secondary and the fact that Moore ad Carter are no longer rookies should make up for that. Sometimes good old upgrades in talent out way the loss of leadership.
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I don't want McClain to miss any games. He's terrible and him on the field benefits everyone except the raiders.
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We lost Dawkins leadership but the three vets we brought in on the secondary and the fact that Moore ad Carter are no longer rookies should make up for that. Sometimes good old upgrades in talent out way the loss of leadership.
I agree, that's why I was not sure what Price was getting at.. Adams is a upgrade at FS over Moore and Carter should hopefully improve going into next year.
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Broncos struggled against top offenses. Detroit, NE 2X and GB went off on you guys.
Everybody struggled against those guys. That's why they were top offenses.

Denver is counting on dramatic offensive improvement to take the next step as a team. I think the very worst-case scenario for the defense is they're at least as good as they were last season, which is kinda comforting.
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