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jungle
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I went back and watched SuperBowl XLI and XLIV, studying Manning's Offense, the formations, and the statistical production of the Colts players throughout their SuperBowl seasons. Some things became immediately clear:
1. Manning runs a no-huddle offense with NO substitutions (the RB's will rotate every other drive). 2. The Colts primarily operate out of 1 formation (only moving the TE's). 3. Manning never throws a bad ball...EVER. 4. The dude is freaking nails in the redzone. 5. When they call Manning, "one of the best ever"...that's 'cause he is. Let me answer a couple questions that have been asked on this board: 1. "What about our crappy O-Line?" Answer: Don't worry about it. In both 2006 and 2009, the Colts line consisted of primarily low-draft picks and UDFA's...undersized and not particularly accomplished. Even Jeff Saturday was undrafted and undersized. If J.D. Walton can get his sh*t together, we won't have to worry about anybody else. They are all quite a bit better than what the Colts had...and Manning made them look like All-Stars. 2. "Who's going to be the 3rd WR?" Answer: Probably no one. Caldwell, Hill, Stokley, Dell, etc....yeah those guys? They probably won't even get on the field. Below, are all the significant stats for Colts Offensive players in 2006. Notice only 6 guys got the ball ALL YEAR LONG. Only the RB's rotated (every other drive). Code:
2006 Season: Colts 12-4, won in SuperBowl XLI rec. speed height 1 Harrison(WR) 95 4.38 6'0" 2 Wayne(WR) 86 4.45 6'0" 3 Clark*(TE) 48 4.65 6'3" 4 Utecht(TE) 37 4.8 6'6" 5 Addai(RB) 40 4.4 5'11" 6 Rhodes(RB) 36 4.52 5'09" Manning 4,397 yards, 31 TD's (led the NFL) Addai 226 rushing attempts, 1,081 yards Rhodes 187 rushing attempts, 641 yards Code:
2009 Season: Colts 14-2, lost in SuperBowl XLIV rec. speed height 1 Wayne(WR) 100 4.45 6'0" 2 Clark(TE) 100 4.65 6'3" 3 Collie(WR) 60 4.56 6'0" 4 Garcon(WR) 47 4.42 5'11" 5 Addai(RB) 51 4.4 5'11" 6 Brown(RB) 11 4.46 5'10" Manning 4,500 yards, 33 TD's Addai 219 rushing attempts, 828 yards Brown 78 rushing attempts, 281 yards What does this mean? You can come to your own conclusions, but since the Broncos have Dreessen (who is better than Utecht), and want to establish a balanced pass/rush Offense, I think the Broncos will run a no-huddle Offense very similar to the Colts 2006. The 6 primary players are shown below: Code:
2012 Season: Broncos rec. speed height 1 Thomas(WR) 80 4.45 6'3" 2 Decker(WR) 80 4.54 6'3" 3 Tamme(TE) 80 4.58 6'3" 4 Dreessen(TE) 30 4.72 6'4" 5 Hillman(RB) 40 4.45 5'9" 6 McGahee(RB) 40 4.45 6'0" Manning 4,400 yards, 31 TD's McGahee 225 rushing attempts, 1,125 yards Hillman 150 rushing attempts, 750 yards 1. DT split-wide to the left 2. Tamme lined up in the slot (on either side) 3. Dreessen lined up covering the OT (on either side) 4. A single RB (either McGahee or Hillman) 5. Decker split-wide to the right Tell me what you think. Last edited by pricejj; 05-11-2012 at 01:49 AM.. |
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I agree with the conclusion on the bas formation, but I do think we'll use some 3WR sets.
I believe (not sure though) that the Colts were the only team to ever have three WRs with 100 catches in the same season. |
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jungle
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It was amazing how many different formations the Saints ran in SuperBowl XLIV, as opposed to the Colts vanilla base formation. Both were very effective. I just don't see a reliable 3rd WR option. One thing the 2009 Colts did was split Addai wide (rarely)...which I could see the Broncos doing with Hillman. I see nothing wrong with past Manning Offense's, and I hope Manning takes over the primary design of the offense and play-calling. I am tired of McCoy's gimmicks (Tebow) and bubble-screens (Orton). McCoy really needs to leave it to the expert (Manning). Neither Manning, nor Brady have consistently used a 3rd WR, if a viable 2nd TE option is present on the roster. The Broncos No-Huddle has an ability to be just as unstoppable as New England's Offense if DT and Decker can consistently get open and catch the ball. Demaryius Thomas is the deep-threat that the Patriots don't have. |
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The thing that stands out for me is that Manning will have huge targets all above 6'3" from WRs to TEs so I expect a LOT of yards after the catch from Decker/Thomas/Tamme because Manning is accurate enough to get the ball right in between their numbers and throw them open.
We already saw last year that if you get Decker/Thomas in space on one on one situations they are very difficult to bring down. |
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Harrison, Wayne, and Stokley all had over 1,000 yards in 2004.
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jungle
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McCoy's recent comments about wanting to establish a "2 back system", because the Broncos have "had so much success with it over the last 2 years", made me laugh.
Although having a 2-back look, at times could be helpful. The Broncos don't have a dependable fullback. The Colts had little success out of the 2-back look with Mike Hart in 2009. It would be helpful to have a pass-catching, dependable FB on the roster, for some short-yardage/goal line situations (2-3 times per game). Nothing more. The beauty of the Manning Offense is the simplistic formations, and ability of any skill player to catch the ball, on any play. Adding a non-pass catching FB to the base-formation would severely limit Manning's options. McCoy's failure to see this is unbelievable. Keep your g*ddamn hands off this offense, McCoy. Last edited by pricejj; 05-14-2012 at 11:34 AM.. |
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Price this is solid stuff.
Indy ran something like 80% of their plays from either 2TE or 3WR sets. So I agree I 100% expect to see that most of the time in Denver. Peyton doesn't even need an intricate play book to make a Super Bowl caliber offense, his audibles at the line put players in the right positions to make plays. He does not make bad throws, his picks are from great plays by defenders, many dropped or tipped passes from his receivers, a WR missing his route. He has typically had dreadful OLines, Denver's is better except at Center.. |
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Nice stuff Pricejj ... good read.
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holy analysis, that is great stuff. I like the idea of a no huddle, especially when it kicks in when the defensive subs out the first time.
What are chances Manning will have creative control on the offensive? |
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Having both Tamme and Dreessen in the game at the same time, creates a myriad of mismatches that adding a FB or 3rd WR could never hope to do. 2 big, fast TE's are almost unguardable, and significantly open up the running game. Last edited by pricejj; 05-14-2012 at 11:55 AM.. |
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McCoy who?
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i thought it was 1st team to have 3 - 1000 yard receivers in 1 season
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A nickel CB or LB could never guard Tamme. Dreessen is the secret weapon of this Offense, who if used correctly, could have a Shannon Sharpe effect on 3rd downs. |
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nice work price!
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I think at home the No Huddle could be exceptionally devastating. Just exponentially increases our home field advantage with the thin air.
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jungle
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Addai was deadly out of the backfield in both the passing and running game. The Colts used RB extensively, either carrying the rock, or running pass patterns on every play, sometimes splitting out wide. In this Offense, RB is the job of a young speedster. The thing I like about Hillman/McGahee is, that they should be able to pick up good yardage without a FB, which is absolutely imperative. Freaking this. |
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Great write up price.
I think Hilman will thrive in this offense. |
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Hillman will be huge...defenses better strap it on when they come to Denver, because Peyton and the no huddle are gonna suck the life out of them....OXYGEN...STAT!!
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In contrast, now it will be our offense all dialed in at a mile high and running full bore all day long and the opposing D will be crying for Mama and puking on their shoes by the second series of the second half in each of those home games! Ryan Clark, make DAMN sure you sit out that first game again in September at Mile High or it could well be the morgue for you after a game of Manning's no huddle brutality at altitude instead of just a typical flight back in defeat to Pittsburg. |
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