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Old 07-14-2004, 07:19 PM   #176
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Just what jocks need, some ESPN clown in this new "Hot Seat" that Disney cooked up to make Athletes look foolish by throwing them rediculous questions rapid fire. From what I understand, he was goaded into the comment anyway. Chalk another one up for a network that has steadily become more and more rediculous despite more game programming.

Even Berman has seemed to become infected, complaining that a particuliar home run didn't allow him to say "Back Back Back" only three times, like that isn't worn out enough allready.

Then we had to listen to "Booya" a million times before Stewie seems to have put in the closet.

I am not even going near the incredibly hostile new NBA analyst who appears mad at the whole world, or, well, part of it.

What was so wrong with Peyton saying he was the best? I don't think he's that awesome, but who's better? He had a pretty crappy year when Griese went to the pro bowl if I remember right.

And Peyton stomping his foot and waving around like a lunatic in false audibles has stopped making teams go out of the proper defense.

Finally, the team spent way too much money on his contract. Agents and players keep thinking that salaries will keep going up like they did in the past. When Harrison's contract comes up, who is going to pay for it? The NFL doesn't have a luxury tax, thank God.

And another poster is right, Manning is horrible on play action and likes to hold the ball too long. He's a fine QB for sure so whatever. Both Elway, Marino and Favre were all better in their prime IMO.

Some of the backlash against Peyton revolves around his 38 million signing bonus which is rediculous, and Grandpa Archie down in the Bayou who is totally clueless at this point and made Eli look like a spoiled brat.

I don't know exactly what the imperitive to play for New York that has a bad team, bad weather, and a tyranical coach in Coughlin.
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:33 PM   #177
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Times are changing, its a new erra in football, why would you not want a mobile qb?
might wna let the last 5 superbowl champions know that the times have changed. they must have missed the memo.
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:35 PM   #178
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Manning has Harrison and Edge, but his playoff record is deplorable. McNabb has had a collection of garbage at the skill positions on offense and he gets to the NFC Championship Game every year.

You probably thought Marino was better than Elway, too. Stats shake out about the same in both cases.
manning's #'s will most likely not move when harrison leaves, and even when edge leaves. harrison's #'s will drop w/o manning.

and mcnabb has laid eggs before too, that INT in the 4th quarter against the bucs was a pretty big egg. and the eagles-mcnabb have been far more talented than the colts-manning.
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:37 PM   #179
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I'd take Jake's attitude over Peyton's anyday!
which attitude is that? his winning attitude, his tireless work ethic, or his feeling of responsibility towards the outcome of every game?
hell manning takes it hard when they get stuffed on a run play!
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:40 PM   #180
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delhomme actually had better playoff stats.

I wouldn't argue with him, though I'd take Brady or McNabb over him, and I suspect Vick and ... Leftwich .... and his lil bro will give him a challange. And, if Plummer can stay healthy for a year, while he may not have as many passing yards, I think Plummer might turn into a better qb. I like manning as a qb, but the fact is he doesn't make plays. His game is dependent upon his oline and his wrs. Twasnt so of Faver and Elway, and Montana could make plays all by his lonesome, and Peyton ain't in that class of competitor.
this is the biggest load of crap ever. out of all the ppl u named only vick could do more w/ less and I'd prolly debate that too. manning could throw for 400 yards w/ college starters if he's on. when manning is on its lights out.
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:44 PM   #181
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no way. for starters, Peyton has had a much better offesive line and better wideouts than Mcnair has. secondly, there were many times when Mcnair had to get out of trouble much like John in his heyday just to avoid many sacks. Peyton has no mobility whatsover. Peyton is good, but not THAT good.
it makes sense a broncos board would think mobility is the key to overperforming or "carrying" a team. u know actually MAKING THE THROWS U SHOULD, is far more important to winning than avoiding a few sacks or pulling a play out of ur ass.
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:47 PM   #182
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Sorry Yavoon most of the kidies talking sh*t about Peyton have gone to bed. You're talking to a deaf ear man.
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:49 PM   #183
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Peyton Manning practices and practices. He wants to execute a game plan to perfection. He often succeeds. However, that perfectionist attitude doesn't help when the game plan starts going awry. Then he is prone to frustration and making poor decisions. He has shown the ability to get back on track and make the comeback, but not consistently enough to trust he has the mental toughness to get back on his game. Once he does that, he will be as complete of QB as you could ask for. Little more mobility would be nice, but doesn't seem to have made much difference at this point.

I also admire David Carr. Getting busted for 70+ sacks his rookie year, well, the guy is tough. He is a leader, personable and loads of talent. I hope Dominick Davis continues to improve and takes some pressure off the guy.

Also want to see how Herrington looks this year after more time working with Mooch. That kid is a gamer and very talented. I hope to see his game step up, too.

Another youngster headed in the right direction is Pennington.

I'd take any of those last three guys in Shanahan's system.

As for Indianapolis? I wish we would've gotten their liquoured up idiot kicker....
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:50 PM   #184
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Goddamn, you sound like you have a serious man crush on him, Ozo.

Were you jealous of that chick when he showed her his ass?
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:56 PM   #185
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Goddamn, you sound like you have a serious man crush on him, Ozo.

Were you jealous of that chick when he showed her his ass?
Oh! So very jealous!
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Old 07-14-2004, 08:00 PM   #186
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How dare you not gargle the nuts of Peyton Manning slap??, He's the kiss stealin', wheelin' dealin', limo ridin', stylin', profilin', football flingin', self-professed greatest QB in the game today!! Woooooooo!!! rofl
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How dare you not gargle the nuts of Peyton Manning slap??, He's the kiss stealin', wheelin' dealin', limo ridin', stylin', profilin', football flingin', self-professed greatest QB in the game today!! Woooooooo!!! rofl
Oh yeah! You feelin it now right Hogan? You already said you dislike the guy
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How dare you not gargle the nuts of Peyton Manning slap??, He's the kiss stealin', wheelin' dealin', limo ridin', stylin', profilin', football flingin', self-professed greatest QB in the game today!! Woooooooo!!! rofl

Yeah, all the same, the whole nut gargling thing, even metaphorically, I'm a little uncomfortable with that.
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Old 07-14-2004, 08:07 PM   #189
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Oh yeah! You feelin it now right Hogan? You already said you dislike the guy
Yeah, that'll be the day......I was being sarcastic.
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Yeah, that'll be the day......I was being sarcastic.
So was I.
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Old 07-14-2004, 08:09 PM   #191
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Besides, Donovan McNabb is just as squeaky clean off the field and he handles controversy with lots of class. For example, the Philly fans stupidly booing him on Draft Day and Rush kicking him while he was down last year.



And lets see Peyton dunk over the crossbar.......
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Old 07-14-2004, 08:21 PM   #192
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Dan Fouts is a legend in San Diego and rightly so, and what exactly are you trying to say here? That Elway didn't want to play in Baltimore following a great QB like Johnny Unitas?

You better think about retracting that one before the dogpile commences.
Elway didn't want to play in Baltimore because Frank Kush was the coach and Elway despised Kush. Plain and simple.
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Old 07-14-2004, 08:26 PM   #193
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Quite a few guys have more throwing ability than Brady, but I'll take Tom anyday. We lived through the Bledsoe/Brady thing ad nauseum around here.

We know Drew has a stronger arm. Unfortunately, he's still connected to that head and feet. And he always tried to force that 1 more pass that always killed us.

Tom makes better decisions. And the comparisons to Montana are definitely there and hold some water. Marino was a better passer than Montana, but Joe got it done..... and done well under pressure.

I think Manning has some Bledsoe in him in that he tries to do too much himself. And he has more offensive help than Drew ever had.
I'd take Brady right near the top
He has the intangibles and now he has 2 rings. He's a leader and sometimes that is more valuable than being a great QB. He's a winner.
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Old 07-14-2004, 08:31 PM   #194
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Elway didn't want to play in Baltimore because Frank Kush was the coach and Elway despised Kush. Plain and simple.
I dont buy that . Not for a second....... Kush was gone halfway through the 84 season , and I think the Colts would have fired Kush if Elway said I will come if Kush is gone ...............
I think it ran deeper then that
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McNabb left it all on the field against Car. But, to be fair, I saw Peyton actually run and give himself up for a first down two years ago. I'd give them both the ok for being tough. McNabb can make plays on his own, while Manning makes better throws. But Manning isn't in the staubach, montana, elway, faver class. Unitas didn't move very well, and he was possibly the toughest I've seen.
I never had the pleasure of seeing Unitas, but I've seen Elway and to me he was the toughest QB out there. He's taken so many hits and got up and kept coming back. For a while he had very high sack numbers against him...

Also, didn't Elway have the skinniest arms you've ever seen on a guy who could throw so hard?
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I dont buy that . Not for a second....... Kush was gone halfway through the 84 season , and I think the Colts would have fired Kush if Elway said I will come if Kush is gone ...............
I think it ran deeper then that
You can throw in the "Daddy's boy" stuff, too, because Jack Elway was also influential where John signed. And yes, Frank Kush was a part of the problem with Baltimore. He had coached at Arizona while John was at Stanford and Elway Sr. despised him. This was known. If Baltimore was going to concede him as coach, seems like they could've indicated that prior to the draft.

It wasn't just Kush, it was also Irsay. The way he loaded up the vans in the dead of night and slunk out of Baltimore says enough about his character.

The biggest difference in Elway's situation is he was legitimately talented in another sport and had been drafted by the Yankees. He could've played baseball. He did have options.
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And lets see Peyton dunk over the crossbar.......


Unfortunately for guys like you and the media that is more important than being able to read a defense and hit a WR in stride.

Maybe if he worked a little more on trying to complete at least 60% of his passes instead of dunking over the cross bar he might someday break 3400 yards passing and sneak over 20 passing TD's again. But then again Ozzie Smith got in on the first ballot cause of popularity from a back flip so maybe dunking over the cross bar is more important.
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I dont buy that . Not for a second....... Kush was gone halfway through the 84 season , and I think the Colts would have fired Kush if Elway said I will come if Kush is gone ...............
I think it ran deeper then that

but Elway didn't know Kush would be gone.
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You can throw in the "Daddy's boy" stuff, too, because Jack Elway was also influential where John signed. And yes, Frank Kush was a part of the problem with Baltimore. He had coached at Arizona while John was at Stanford and Elway Sr. despised him. This was known. If Baltimore was going to concede him as coach, seems like they could've indicated that prior to the draft.

It wasn't just Kush, it was also Irsay. The way he loaded up the vans in the dead of night and slunk out of Baltimore says enough about his character.

The biggest difference in Elway's situation is he was legitimately talented in another sport and had been drafted by the Yankees. He could've played baseball. He did have options.
That could Be , I am just thankfull Rozzell Hated Davis
your are 100% correct on the baseball , Rozell wasnt going to lose what he thought was the best thing for the NFL to Baseball .........
I wold love to have been in the meetings back then and the fight for Elway ....
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but Elway didn't know Kush would be gone.
That could be , Like I said it was just a theory .......
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