If facts don’t lie, is Mexico safer than the U.S.?

[alkemical]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...DdT_story.html

For first time since Depression, more Mexicans leave U.S. than enter

[baja]

Pew: immigration from Mexico drops to net zero



Immigration from Mexico has reached a net zero, with as many Mexicans moving back to Mexico as are entering the United States, according to the Pew Research Center’s Jeffrey Passel, a highly regarded demographer who used data from both countries.

The report released Wednesday cited several possible reasons, including, “the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, the long-term decline in Mexico’s birth rates and changing economic conditions in Mexico.”

The Mexican migration has been one of the largest in the nation’s history. About 12 million Mexicans have crossed the border, more than half illegally. That flow not only stopped but may have actually have begun to reverse, an equally historic shift. The report found that from 2005 to 2010, “about 1.4 million Mexicans immigrated to the United States and about 1.4 million Mexican immigrants and their U.S.-born children moved from the United States to Mexico.”

The drop is the first of any significance in more than two decades. There are 40 million immigrants in the U.S. today. Mexicans account for 58 percent of the illegal population and 30 percent of all U.S. immigrants. China is the next largest country of origin, but accounts for only 5 percent of the total number of immigrants.

http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election...rick.net&tsp=1

[baja]

Now that the USA FTA's "Fast and Furious" program of exported death has been exposed and stopped Mexico has become less violent.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by baja

Pew: immigration from Mexico drops to net zero



Immigration from Mexico has reached a net zero, with as many Mexicans moving back to Mexico as are entering the United States, according to the Pew Research Center’s Jeffrey Passel, a highly regarded demographer who used data from both countries.

The report released Wednesday cited several possible reasons, including, “the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, the long-term decline in Mexico’s birth rates and changing economic conditions in Mexico.”

The Mexican migration has been one of the largest in the nation’s history. About 12 million Mexicans have crossed the border, more than half illegally. That flow not only stopped but may have actually have begun to reverse, an equally historic shift. The report found that from 2005 to 2010, “about 1.4 million Mexicans immigrated to the United States and about 1.4 million Mexican immigrants and their U.S.-born children moved from the United States to Mexico.”

The drop is the first of any significance in more than two decades. There are 40 million immigrants in the U.S. today. Mexicans account for 58 percent of the illegal population and 30 percent of all U.S. immigrants. China is the next largest country of origin, but accounts for only 5 percent of the total number of immigrants.

http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election...rick.net&tsp=1

They come up here for a few years, see some Fox News, watch our political primaries, and go, "You people are ****ing crazy. I'm going home."

[jhns]

Baja is still trying to convince himself?

Poor Mexico homer. Your country will never be as good as mine at anything. Sorry.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by baja

Now that the USA FTA's "Fast and Furious" program of exported death has been exposed and stopped Mexico has become less violent.

Well, that's some of the interesting things i've thought about when reading this article.

how much of the 'war on drugs', has had a negative impact on Mexico? How much has NAFTA been designed to further the impoverished?

[baja]

Originally Posted by jhns

Baja is still trying to convince himself?

Poor Mexico homer. Your country will never be as good as mine at anything. Sorry.

My country / your country.... such gibberish

Just be a human being it's all that is required of you.

[baja]

Originally Posted by alkemical

Well, that's some of the interesting things i've thought about when reading this article.

how much of the 'war on drugs', has had a negative impact on Mexico? How much has NAFTA been designed to further the impoverished?

The only reason there is a "war on drugs" is to keep the price up and feed the prison system.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by baja

The only reason there is a "war on drugs" is to keep the price up and feed the prison system.

Trust me...i know.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by baja

My country / your country.... such gibberish

Just be a human being it's all that is required of you.

You only think this because you live in an inferior country. Psychology 101.

You are the one always trying to compare the two. Don't back down just because I come with facts.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by baja

The only reason there is a "war on drugs" is to keep the price up and feed the prison system.

Legal drugs cost more. The government doesn't make money off drugs or overcrowded prisons. Your post doesn't make sense.

[Requiem]

jhns bringing the heat today.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Requiem

jhns bringing the heat today.

this is what is known as idiot worship by and even bigger idiot.

1. I have stopped identifying with any one country years ago.

2. Your government members with the help of CIA and large banks are the ones making the lion's share of the illegal drug profits. Wake up sonny illegal drugs is big business in the USA. Why do you think American troops are cultivating poppies in Afghanistan. Why do you think ATF is supporting one side in the cartel wars in Mexico (Fast and Furious)? I'll tell ya, because one group launders it's drug money with large American banks and the other does not. Which side do you think got the guns?

[baja]

Originally Posted by jhns

Legal drugs cost more. The government doesn't make money off drugs or overcrowded prisons. Your post doesn't make sense.

Do do not know what you are talking about but that has never stopped you before.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by baja

Do do not know what you are talking about but that has never stopped you before.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.

You are an idiot.

See?

[baja]

Originally Posted by jhns

I know exactly what I'm talking about.

You are an idiot.

See?

No! No you do not. But no force on earth can get you to realize that. That is what makes you an idiot, see?

[jhns]

Originally Posted by baja

No! No you do not. But no force on earth can get you to realize that. That is what makes you an idiot, see?

You can claim whatever you want. It won't make it true. You will learn this someday.

[baja]

Mexicans Fleeing Third World Country, Heading Back to Mexico



By McCullough
Wednesday April 25, 2012


A four-decade tidal wave of Mexican immigration to the United States has receded, causing a historic shift in migration patterns as more Mexicans appear to be leaving the United States for Mexico than the other way around, according to a report from the Pew Hispanic Center.

It looks to be the first reversal in the trend since the Depression, and experts say that a declining Mexican birthrate and other factors may make it permanent. “I think the massive boom in Mexican immigration is over and I don’t think it will ever return to the numbers we saw in the 1990s and 2000s,” said Douglas Massey, a professor of sociology and public affairs at Princeton University and co-director of the Mexican Migration Project, which has been gathering data on the subject for 30 years.

Nearly 1.4 million Mexicans moved from the United States to Mexico between 2005 and 2010, double the number who did so a decade earlier. The number of Mexicans who moved to the United States during that period fell to less than half of the 3 million who came between 1995 and 2000.

The trend could have major political consequences, underscoring the delicate dance by the Republican and Democratic parties as they struggle with immigration policies and court the increasingly important Latino vote.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by alkemical

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...DdT_story.html

For first time since Depression, more Mexicans leave U.S. than enter

While something positive about that (and I am talking about illegal aliens going back home), it shows our economy has not recovered enough. Amazing what jobs Americans used to be able to get 10-15 years ago is now in the hands of illegal aliens. This is our Catch 22.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

While something positive about that (and I am talking about illegal aliens going back home), it shows our economy has not recovered enough. Amazing what jobs Americans used to be able to get 10-15 years ago is now in the hands of illegal aliens. This is our Catch 22.

Americans could still do those jobs...they just don't want to.

"Dem mexicans are stealin' our jobs! But I don't want to compete with them for it!"

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by alkemical

Americans could still do those jobs...they just don't want to.

"Dem mexicans are stealin' our jobs! But I don't want to compete with them for it!"

How can you compete when an air conditioning tech (or construction) was getting $15-$20 an hour is now being done by illegals for less? It isn't that they don't want to do it but that the employers have found a group of workers that will do it at $10 or less and they can't complain because they are paid under the table.
If you want to talk about the locals after Katrina not working when there was a ton of cleanup work, then you have a point. That is New Orleans not the West.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

How can you compete when an air conditioning tech (or construction) was getting $15-$20 an hour is now being done by illegals for less? It isn't that they don't want to do it but that the employers have found a group of workers that will do it at $10 or less and they can't complain because they are paid under the table.
If you want to talk about the locals after Katrina not working when there was a ton of cleanup work, then you have a point. That is New Orleans not the West.

Sorry man, it's the 'mentality' of the free market. If you don't want to compete, then stop b****ing about it. Is the goal of a company to pay workers less than they want, so you maintain high margins?

If you don't like it...start your own company and hire mexicans and compete that way.

"I'm not working for $10/hr less" - well, that's entitlement mentality right there.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by alkemical

Sorry man, it's the 'mentality' of the free market. If you don't want to compete, then stop b****ing about it. Is the goal of a company to pay workers less than they want, so you maintain high margins?

If you don't like it...start your own company and hire mexicans and compete that way.

"I'm not working for $10/hr less" - well, that's entitlement mentality right there.

I do own my own business and refuse to break the law on hiring by taking in illegals. I might be against Unions for the most part but I support them over illegal alien hiring anyday.

Where is the main sarcasm in that post, btw?

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

I do own my own business and refuse to break the law on hiring by taking in illegals. I might be against Unions for the most part but I support them over illegal alien hiring anyday.

Where is the main sarcasm in that post, btw?

I've been in the IT sector for a while BCJ - and when you have IBM tell you that you're competing with wages in India...it hits you that the idea of "not working for less than $X" sort of goes out the window. If you believe in "the free market", but do not like to compete...well that's where it gets interesting with Americans and the cake/eat it dilemma.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by alkemical

I've been in the IT sector for a while BCJ - and when you have IBM tell you that you're competing with wages in India...it hits you that the idea of "not working for less than $X" sort of goes out the window. If you believe in "the free market", but do not like to compete...well that's where it gets interesting with Americans and the cake/eat it dilemma.

I totally agree. You are either in Macro economy or go home with micro economy. We are global and we don't compete in many areas. I can't change the wage laws in other countries but we have a "go for the minimum" attitude in some business owners and then the unions want the "Give me as much as possible" wages.