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Old 04-23-2012, 12:07 PM   #1
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Default IAOFM's top 10 DT's

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1 Fletcher Cox Mississippi State 3-technique (3T) penetrator, most dynamic guy at position.
2 Michael Brockers LSU Scheme-indifferent 1T, 3T, or 5T. Young, inexperienced, and high potential.
3 Derek Wolfe Cincinnati High-effort and skilled 3T pass rusher in even front.
4 Dontari Poe Memphis Scheme-indifferent NT – size/speed guy with low production at UM.
5 Kendall Reyes UConn Excellent athlete, high effort. 4-3 3T who will be a long-time solid starter.
6 Devon Still Penn State 3T skills, average motor. I can take or leave him.
7 Jerel Worthy Michigan State Very similar to Still in skills and motor.
8 Billy Winn Boise State Less talented than the top seven, but productive 3T.
9 Brandon Thompson Clemson Best fit is as even-front NT. Good talent vs run.
10 Alameda Ta’amu California Huge odd-front NT, less of a fit in a 4-3.


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My thoughts exactly, coming from the best Broncos site on the planet. Read it and weep.

Derek Wolfe at #25, is probably the best pick the Broncos could take.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:10 PM   #2
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:15 PM   #3
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You beat me to it price. Lots of good draft commentary in this article.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...drafty-in-here
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:16 PM   #4
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Wolfe is the real deal. Patriots and Steelers are goo goo over him. Like I said, I wouldn't doubt the Patriots take him at #27 or #31.

C'mon EFX...grow some cajones. It's real tough to find impact UT's, and Wolfe has all the makings of something special.

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The DT I was pimping was Devon Still from Penn State, I like his size and wing span.. but it seems the consensus is the guy can't play an entire game.. that he fades out as he tires.

Some draftniks say don't expect much production from him in his first season.
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Those 10 guys are among the top 50 or 55 prospects, in my opinion. There are a couple more, like Mike Martin of Michigan and Jaye Howard of Florida, who I also really like. (Martin more for his effort, and Howard more for his talent.)

Among those 12 guys that I just mentioned, I only really consider Brockers, Poe, and Ta’amu to be very good fits in an odd front, and I think that Brockers and Poe fit an even front equally well. Guys like Wolfe, Still, and Worthy arguably have the size to two-gap, but I don’t think any of them have the functional strength for it, and all of them have pretty short arms for two-gapping, with all being around 33 inches. This is good for the Broncos, and other even-front teams.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:18 PM   #7
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The Broncos can beat the other teams in their division, particularly if they shore up their run defense at DT. The question they should be asking is, Can they beat the other top contenders in the AFC? Right now, I’d say probably not. They really need to get better in coverage in the middle of their defense to beat the Patriots. They need to get better against the run to beat the Texans, and they need to be more physical overall to beat the Ravens. They could also stand to find one or two more threatening offensive ballcarriers.

Generally, I’d rank their needs like this:

1. DT, both inside pass rush and run support

2. Inside coverage players

3. Threatening space players/return men

4. Developmental CB, OL, and LB depth
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Oh the Pats love him? I don't want him after hearing that.
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sweet draft value. i need two DT's from this draft in the top 4 rounds.
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Oh the drama in a few days when we don't take a DT early...cannot wait
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The real deal...I've been saying it now for a couple weeks.

You could live with Reyes, but Wolfe is better, any way you slice it.
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at Wolfe being taken in the first.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:27 PM   #13
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Oh the drama in a few days when we don't take a DT early...cannot wait
There really aren't any other viable options other than Konz, when you get down to it. And I'm sure Manning is fine with Walton.

Always better to go with meat and potatoes.
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I like Bartlet as the more entertaining writer at that blog, and I actually agree with Wolfe as the #3 DT prospect, but the rest of the list is a little off to me.

If we're ranking personal favorites, mine would go:

1. Fletcher Cox
2. Jerel Worthy
3. Derek Wolfe
4. Quinton Coples (as a 3)
5. Devon Still
6. Dontari Poe
7. Michael Brockers
8. Kendall Reyes
9. Brandon Thompson
10. Mike Martin
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1. Worthy ain't got it. Not strong enough, and not quick enough. A hair above Marcus Thomas.

2. I truly believe, once you get Brockers out of the LSU environment, his game will pick up, and he will become a very good run-stuffing DT once he puts on about 20 lbs.

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Brockers, whom everyone seems to hate, is fantastic. He could play either DT spot, because he offers exceptional ability to push the pocket, penetrate, and stop the run. I just hope his poor combine and average pro day drop him down to 25..
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1. Worthy ain't got it. Not strong enough, and not quick enough. A hair above Marcus Thomas.

2. I truly believe, once you get Brockers out of the LSU environment, his game will pick up, and he will become a very good run-stuffing DT once he puts on about 20 lbs.
You should go delete that thread were you have Worthy going to the Steelers in the first round to play NT to boot.
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Eh, I will be more pissed if we reach for need versus BPA to be honest.
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You beat me to it price. Lots of good draft commentary in this article.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...drafty-in-here
Interesting how that article doesn't mention Wolfe dropping 15 pounds between the combine and his pro day.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/pro...erek-wolfe-95/

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Will come off the ball upright and get stuck on blocks. Takes on blockers too narrow-based and lacks anchor strength to dig his heels in the dirt and hold ground vs. the double-team. Plays short-armed and hand use is raw — does not strike with violence or power. Curiously dropped 15 pounds from the Combine to his March 2 pro day, where he weighed 280 pounds. Matured as a senior, made his final season his best and had a solid showing at the Senior Bowl, as his stock has continued to climb. Still must prove that he can be more than a rotational nickel rusher in the pros, but clearly has upside to grow into a starter and might even warrant looks as a 3-4 defensive end.
Not a first rounder.
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The DT I was pimping was Devon Still from Penn State, I like his size and wing span.. but it seems the consensus is the guy can't play an entire game.. that he fades out as he tires.

Some draftniks say don't expect much production from him in his first season.
Depends what you want from Still. I watched quite a few games on him (twice), and I'm convinced he's more of a hybrid fit as a DT. I don't like him as a pure 3 tech because he's too much of a leaner, and he's not stout enough to be a true nose. Reminds me a lot of Marcus Thomas when he came out. That said, his effort is pretty good and he can be plenty disruptive. I think as a 4 year senior that has improved every season, he's one of the DTs that is most likely to contribute from Day 1, though in a hefty rotation. I also think he'd be stellar as a 34 end.

If I was choosing between Still and Brockers for a penetrating, disruptive DT (i.e. What I believe we should be looking for), I'd take Still every time.

I'd also be fine taking him at #25 if the DTs I rated higher were gone. I view Worthy as an elite penetrating player on a different level, but I think Wolfe and Still are on the same tier and very similar players. I just like Wolfe a tad better due to technique, athleticism, and medical.

Really, I'm a happy camper if we take Worthy, Still, or Wolfe in round 1. I think all three can make a difference from Day 1 as disruptive penetrators.
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Interesting how that article doesn't mention Wolfe dropping 15 pounds between the combine and his pro day.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/pro...erek-wolfe-95/
Wolfe only ran positional drills at his Pro day. He absolutely dominated the Big East at 295 lbs.
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Wolfe only ran positional drills at his Pro day. He absolutely dominated the Big East at 295 lbs.
Who even plays in the big east anymore.
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Brockers, whom everyone seems to hate, is fantastic. He could play either DT spot, because he offers exceptional ability to push the pocket, penetrate, and stop the run. I just hope his poor combine and average pro day drop him down to 25..

Wait, what?

What is this based off of?

His one season of semi-productive college ball where he did stop the run, but rarely pushed the pocket or penetrated? Keep in mind, he was seldom doubled.

He's also now up to 325 lbs, his playing weight was roughly 305. And his response to the massive weight gain was "whoops, guess I'm 325 now". I don't even know what you get with this guy long term, he might be the next Gilbert Brown. I do know he's *just* a Nose Tackle though, and I know D-linemen that can't pass rush have drastically reduced draft value.

I feel like I don't "hate" Brockers, I find his potential as a plugger intriguing, but this is a major boom-or-bust pick. Even Dontari Poe has three years of solid tape to refer back to. I don't want the first DT we actually decide to take in roughly a decade to be a risky pick.
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Reyes is nowhere near my top 10, he has busty mcbusterson written all over him.
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Wolfe only ran positional drills at his Pro day. He absolutely dominated the Big East at 295 lbs.
Soooo...dropping 15 pounds in a few days =/= concern?

Not a first rounder.
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