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Old 05-01-2012, 01:36 PM   #576
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Shouldn't Vargo Hoat be showing up soon? I'm all confused with the timeline now that they're moving things around. SPOILER: ( I know Brienne still has to escort Jaime from the riverlands and all that, but I thought Hoat took over Harrenhal well before that. Maybe its after Tywin leaves. )
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I gave my reasons -- it's unnecessary (what people call "gratuitous") and therefore lessons the product. When something is put into the picture that seems gratuitous, it snaps you out of the "spell" that a movie or tv show can have and you, and makes it not as good. It's a criticism, and a valid one. The answer to all criticisms is not "well don't watch it." That's the answer to someone who wants it taken off the air. To someone who is watching it and enjoying it every week (myself), it's invalid to respond like that -- we are entitled to question the product on the screen, whether it's because it's boring, poorly acted, adapted from the books wrong, or in this case, containing too much gratuitous boobies. It makes a large part of the population not want to watch it, and I would prefer they make it for a slightly broader audience.
What do you find gratuitous? Im curious. Every sexual act and squirmy, cringe inducing scene has happened in real life I would bet. Gay sex? yes it has. Incest? yes it has. ****ed up **** happening in a brothel? yes it has. Murder and betrayal? yes it has. Demon shadow babies? errr...maybe not so much.

What outside of your own taste and opinion says that a show should only portray the happy and moral side of life. I understand that some people dont like watching sex and grisly death, it makes them uncomfortable. These need to realize that some people don't mind the realism it adds.

Like many others here have said.
If you don't like, fine, just dont watch it, and dont bother the people who enjoy it.
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Shouldn't Vargo Hoat be showing up soon? I'm all confused with the timeline now that they're moving things around. SPOILER: ( I know Brienne still has to escort Jaime from the riverlands and all that, but I thought Hoat took over Harrenhal well before that. Maybe its after Tywin leaves. )
SPOILER: ( Vargo captures brienne and jaime as they flee south, he brings them to harrenhal where Bolton is the current lord. Bolton frees Jaime and leaves the castle to Vargo. )
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:30 PM   #579
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SPOILER: ( While all true, JLessPe is right or close to right. He's introduced before the instances you mention... roughly at the time we're at now in the show only the equivalent in the books. He's the one Tywin leaves in charge when he leaves and then double crosses him by making the deal with Bolton )
SPOILER: ( If Im not mistaken, we only see Hoat and his companions once through Aryas pov at Harrenhel, before he captures jaime. Since Hoat hasnt been cast, they may just leave out that scene where Arya sees them riding through the courtyard. I also doubt they will have Jaime being captured this season, though Im relatively certain he will be released this season. )
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I wrote this for my blog...admittedly not my best work, but might give you a chuckle...i hope: http://peelingtheskin.blogspot.com/2...-obsessed.html
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I'm at the end of Storm of swords, and my head is spinning at how this entire universe has been flipped on its head. I can't wait to see if/how Littlefinger, Stanis, and Jon Snow's stories intercross - and what happens when Dany crosses the sea...
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yeah, i gotta stop reading this thread...i havent read the books
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:34 PM   #583
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I feel like a real a-hole now. Have every episode recorded and my grandma came and visited me bout 2 weeks ago, I turned her onto it, we watched every episode in marathon style from the first to the thirteenth, and she was b****ing about all the sex and violence. I'd known it was in there but kind of forgot how much was in there till she was b****ing about it. Oh well.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:54 PM   #584
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I feel like a real a-hole now. Have every episode recorded and my grandma came and visited me bout 2 weeks ago, I turned her onto it, we watched every episode in marathon style from the first to the thirteenth, and she was b****ing about all the sex and violence. I'd known it was in there but kind of forgot how much was in there till she was b****ing about it. Oh well.

My grandmother caught an episode where Theon's junk is on display. Apparently he reminds her of my grandfather when he was younger. Which is completely and utterly gross. I hope she means his face...

I really hope she means his face.

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A couple people have said that. What, exactly, makes it have a "soap" feel?
I would say the "soap" feel comes from having so many characters and all the dialog scene switching between all them and the fact there really is no lead character to help tie the plot to. And the amount of action for this type of series is more then a bit lacking. And there is a real void in the suspense department. I don't feel, between episodes, that I can't wait to see what happens next. I like the show, and I will still continue to watch it because there are some really good things I like about it but so far it's a bit of a let down overall.

Give Homeland a try. You'll get more action, more suspense. A very well made show so far.
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I would say the "soap" feel comes from having so many characters and all the dialog scene switching between all them and the fact there really is no lead character to help tie the plot to. And the amount of action for this type of series is more then a bit lacking. And there is a real void in the suspense department. I don't feel, between episodes, that I can't wait to see what happens next. I like the show, and I will still continue to watch it because there are some really good things I like about it but so far it's a bit of a let down overall.
I agree it's much more of an ensemble show than almost everything else on TV, though I would say that several characters emerge as the main characters (both in the books and the series): Dany, Jon, Ned (until he dies) and then Tyrion. Arya could be, but her story is so disconnected from the rest it's hard to classify what she is.

Anyway, I didn't realize that's "soapy" but OK =) I figured you were going to say it was too melodramatic or something like that.

It's doing a good job of being true to the source material despite the radical differences needed to make it a TV series. It's a very character driven/cerebral series, with a lot of the "happenings" going on in the character's head (Tyrion's chapters are generally a riot to read). The books don't have a ton of action. I would have been very upset had they converted it into a action packed, swords & sorcery type series.

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It's been on my list, but I don't have much time for TV these days. Hopefully showtime has some sort of streaming option like HBO that will let me watch at my leisure.
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What do you find gratuitous? Im curious. Every sexual act and squirmy, cringe inducing scene has happened in real life I would bet. Gay sex? yes it has. Incest? yes it has. ****ed up **** happening in a brothel? yes it has. Murder and betrayal? yes it has. Demon shadow babies? errr...maybe not so much.

What outside of your own taste and opinion says that a show should only portray the happy and moral side of life. I understand that some people dont like watching sex and grisly death, it makes them uncomfortable. These need to realize that some people don't mind the realism it adds.

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I would answer, but you're not genuinely interested. You kept going and repeated the "just don't watch it" tripe.
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I feel like a real a-hole now. Have every episode recorded and my grandma came and visited me bout 2 weeks ago, I turned her onto it, we watched every episode in marathon style from the first to the thirteenth, and she was b****ing about all the sex and violence. I'd known it was in there but kind of forgot how much was in there till she was b****ing about it. Oh well.

Yeah, I've had to watch carefully who I recommend it to. I have a broad group of friends, all sorts -- soccer moms, older men, coworkers, etc. -- who I don't want to offend. Last week Littlefinger wiped visible, creamy spunk off the mouth of a whore and sent her over to kiss on a guy.
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I would answer, but you're not genuinely interested. You kept going and repeated the "just don't watch it" tripe.
Probably because it's good advice to give someone who takes issue with the graphic nature of the story. BTW, if I wasn't interested, I wouldn't have asked.
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Probably because it's good advice to give someone who takes issue with the graphic nature of the story.
One day you'll develop a critical mind, and you'll learn it's okay to watch something and still have some critical thoughts about it. There's more categories between (1) love everything about it; and (2) don't watch it.
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... "The Mountain" is a straight evil dude that is probably the darkest character in the entire series, him or Roose Bolton's Bastard Son.
There are definitely a few characters who have no redeeming qualities at all. They tend to offset the vague grey types.
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This book is blowing my mind... It's 1:30am and I'm sitting here elated cheering for Sandor Clegane. I've got to get some sleep, but how can I with all this adrenaline!

SPOILER: ( ARYA GOT NEEDLE BACK! SO AWESOME! I LOVE IT! )
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Storm of Swords is going to be a tough book to follow. I'm preparing myself for a let down with the next two books. I don't see any way this gets better until the final climax in book six. I'm going to look at the next two books as building up to that.

But man... Storm of Swords - excellent, excellent, excellent.
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I liked aFfC way more than most, but it certainly doesnt compete with SoS

Also... There will be no final climax in book 6, sir
It feels like about 11 books at this point -- he's going all "Wheel of Time" on us.
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This thread is full of unmarked spoilers, not reading it anymore
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Storm of Swords is going to be a tough book to follow. I'm preparing myself for a let down with the next two books. I don't see any way this gets better until the final climax in book six. I'm going to look at the next two books as building up to that.

But man... Storm of Swords - excellent, excellent, excellent.
Most of the critics I've read agree that SoS is the book that really elevates this series into special territory.

You have one big advantage here, which is that you don't have to wait several years for books 4 and 5 to come out. Of course, who knows how long it will take for #6.
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Storm of Swords is going to be a tough book to follow. I'm preparing myself for a let down with the next two books. I don't see any way this gets better until the final climax in book six. I'm going to look at the next two books as building up to that.

But man... Storm of Swords - excellent, excellent, excellent.
I found book 4 and 5 to be a let down in the first 1/3 of each, but once Martin get's the particular arcs moving they are excellent, though certainly not SoS level of epicness.

The problem with Book4&5 (really they are one book) is they are pretty much the lul between storms. The War of Five Kings pretty much burns out by the end of SoS and AFfC focuses on everyone in the seven kingdoms picking up the pieces and trying to put them back together. That's the meaning of the title -- literally crows feasting on the bodies of the dead after a battle.

Dance with Dragons is much better as it's dealing much less with the fallout of the wary, and by the time the timelines of 4&5 merge at the end things start picking up again.


One of the things that I find most interesting about a Feast for Crows is that SPOILER: ( we learn that Cersei is just as ineffective a leader as her late husband. Both were skilled (in different ways) in gaining the throne, but both are miserable failures at sitting it. )
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I agree it's much more of an ensemble show than almost everything else on TV, though I would say that several characters emerge as the main characters (both in the books and the series): Dany, Jon, Ned (until he dies) and then Tyrion. Arya could be, but her story is so disconnected from the rest it's hard to classify what she is.

Anyway, I didn't realize that's "soapy" but OK =) I figured you were going to say it was too melodramatic or something like that.

It's doing a good job of being true to the source material despite the radical differences needed to make it a TV series. It's a very character driven/cerebral series, with a lot of the "happenings" going on in the character's head (Tyrion's chapters are generally a riot to read). The books don't have a ton of action. I would have been very upset had they converted it into a action packed, swords & sorcery type series.



It's been on my list, but I don't have much time for TV these days. Hopefully showtime has some sort of streaming option like HBO that will let me watch at my leisure.
Yeah I wasn't expecting it to be an action packed type of series but it is none the less lacking in that area. And the few action scenes of late have been terrible. I mean, some 6'5 duck footed women kicks the ass of that so called "
one of the best swordsmen" in that army, cmon.


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Yeah I wasn't expecting it to be an action packed type of series but it is none the less lacking in that area. And the few action scenes of late have been terrible. I mean, some 6'5 duck footed women kicks the ass of that so called "
one of the best swordsmen" in that army, cmon.
Brienne of Tarth is no slouch herself. And any fighting instructor will tell you, when you are facing an opponent who has 5 inches and 60 pounds on you and actually has a pretty decent clue of what they are doing in a fight, odds really aren't in your favor, no matter how good you are.

Ser Loras is very good. But Brienne is a Freak. Freak tends to trump very good.
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Brienne of Tarth is no slouch herself. And any fighting instructor will tell you, when you are facing an opponent who has 5 inches and 60 pounds on you and actually has a pretty decent clue of what they are doing in a fight, odds really aren't in your favor, no matter how good you are.

Ser Loras is very good. But Brienne is a Freak. Freak tends to trump very good.
Also, longsword fighting just isn't very elegant. There's a reason they call it "hack 'n slash". Our modern sensibilities about sword fighting have been informed by 50+ years of Erol Flynn/musketeer style fencing and Star Wars light sabers. BTW, if you like accurate portrayals of period fighting, rent Ironclad.
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