Positions of Need and Value - The Orange Mane

Bmore Manning · 04-19-2012, 11:40 AM

When drafting the common thought is to take Best Player Available, let's be honest, this is not usually the case. In fact teams cross need with best player available, this represents the greatest value to the team. This is not always the case, teams will take BPA if they do not have holes on their roster, or a player falls much lower than expected.. I.E. Aaron Rodgers.

With the draft coming a week from today, it is absolutely imperative the FO nail the draft and find impact players/starters. Elway has said rounds 1-3 represent starters which is very common and the rest of the rounds should represent upgrades, potential starters, or impact players.

If rounds 1-3 represents starters, my question is which three positions should be addressed, and what round and player 1-3?
My Opinion:

Positions of need
UT, NT, WLB, RB, CB

Positions could use an upgrade
MLB, C, G, S, DE, Slot WR

Based on need and projected value I would like to see CB and DT addressed early, I think RB and LB are in the 3-4 range with a run stuffing NT who can push the pocket also in the mix.

A corner has to be taken with one of the first two to three picks, Bailey isn't getting younger, Porter is on a one year deal, and most impactful DBs are taken in early rounds of the draft. It becomes an expensive position to upgrade through FA. Having said that while DT is a need, unless one of the top DTs fall, I see more value to take one in round two then to reach when round one needs to make a difference. Even a CB on the Broncos taken in round one would be a rotational guy his first year but it shows better long term value.

What positions and in what order should the broncos address them in the draft?

DENVERDUI55 · 04-19-2012, 11:50 AM

CB OL DT in first for me. Where we are sitting at 25 is good spot for G or C. I wouldn't mind Fitz either. They don't bust very often. DT in second for sure.

Baba Booey · 04-19-2012, 11:53 AM

I think they like the receivers they have, but if a guy like Broyles is there in, say, the fourth, I think we should jump on it. Tough as nails, more fundamentally sound than pretty much any receiver in the draft, and produced at an absurd level in college. Would be going much higher if he never got hurt, but they say he's recovered miraculously (torn ACL I believe). Ran in the 4.5's post-injury on a pretty short turnaround.

Baba Booey · 04-19-2012, 11:54 AM

Speaking of value, Marcus Forston in the fifth. Do it.

Frosty78 · 04-19-2012, 12:14 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if they trade down at the position they are at in the draft. Elway has said they are drafting the best possible player regardless of position so it's going to be hard to project who they will pick. I think they like Doug Martin, Kirkpatrick, and Reyes for sure. That said, I just have a weird feeling the Coby Fleener will be our pick.

pricejj · 04-19-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty78

I wouldn't be surprised if they trade down at the position they are at in the draft. Elway has said they are drafting the best possible player regardless of position so it's going to be hard to project who they will pick. I think they like Doug Martin, Kirkpatrick, and Reyes for sure. That said, I just have a weird feeling the Coby Fleener will be our pick.

Fleener would be an awesome option...

BroncoInferno · 04-19-2012, 12:35 PM

I like Fleener, but I can't see where he fits. We signed Tamme and Dreesen in FA and invested 2 picks in TEs in last years draft. Unless they are writing off Orange Julius and Virgil Green already, I can't see them going with Fleener.

BroncoBen · 04-19-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty78

I wouldn't be surprised if they trade down at the position they are at in the draft. Elway has said they are drafting the best possible player regardless of position so it's going to be hard to project who they will pick. I think they like Doug Martin, Kirkpatrick, and Reyes for sure. That said, I just have a weird feeling the Coby Fleener will be our pick.

Really.. Coby Fleener, another TE ? I don't see it.. even if you go with the BAP (Best available player), I just don't see him as a BAP at #25 either.

No the more I read, the more I have a feeling the Broncos are going to go offense with the #25 pick. Too much depth at the DT coming out this year.

Now unless a player like LB Dont'a Hightower out of Alabama falls to #25.. I can see the Broncos drafting RB Doug Martin out of Boise State or WR Kendall Wright; Baylor. Both of these players will be immediate starters and special teams players.

And it has been noted more than once Elway is looking for 2-3 starters in this years draft.

pricejj · 04-19-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

I like Fleener, but I can't see where he fits. We signed Tamme and Dreesen in FA and invested 2 picks in TEs in last years draft. Unless they are writing off Orange Julius and Virgil Green already, I can't see them going with Fleener.

Fleener is just as fast as Decker, but is 6'5", and would be an absolutely deadly WR option.

Kendall Wright is a GAMEBREAKER.

Jonathan Martin, Peter Konz, or Mike Adams...all good picks.

Would be happy with Hightower or Nick Perry as well...

Frosty78 · 04-19-2012, 12:57 PM

The only player at 25 that is actually worth the 25th pick is Kirkpatrick. Which is why I said I wouldn't be surprised if they traded down. At that point Reyes and Doug Martin would be in play along with Coby Fleener.

Frosty78 · 04-19-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Fleener is just as fast as Decker, but is 6'5", and would be an absolutely deadly WR option.

And weighs 247 while running the 40 in the 4.45 range.

pricejj · 04-19-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty78

The only player at 25 that is actually worth the 25th pick is Kirkpatrick. Which is why I said I wouldn't be surprised if they traded down. At that point Reyes and Doug Martin would be in play along with Coby Fleener.

I'm not sold on Kirkpatrick...he might be a little slow to be an elite CB. I'm not sure he could hang with most #1/#2 WR's in the NFL. He also only had 3 INT's over his entire college career.

Fleener/Wright would own him 1-on-1.

Frosty78 · 04-19-2012, 01:28 PM

Won't matter. He's probably not getting past the Lions or Bengals.

pricejj · 04-19-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty78

Won't matter. He's probably not getting past the Lions or Bengals.

...or Steelers

Frosty78 · 04-19-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

...or Steelers

True, I think they'll have a hard time passing on Hightower though. Draft is always a guessing game after the first 5 picks.

cmhargrove · 04-19-2012, 01:44 PM

I think the thing we know, is that we just don't know how this group will draft (again).

We saw some of the Elway + Fox + Xanders drafting style last year, but who is to say JDR or Manning don't have a strong influence on our future decisions? If I was protecting my new $96 million dollar toy, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that finding a true pass blocking Right Tackle would be my first priority (and a good value at pick 25). Although, I don't feel strongly that is where our team will go because we also desperately need defense. So, we have needs and holes everywhere, and that is also a good thing. We can hardly go wrong because we can get better at almost every position across the board.

We just don't know a thing about this group (except we do know which one goes to get the pizza).

pricejj · 04-19-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty78

True, I think they'll have a hard time passing on Hightower though. Draft is always a guessing game after the first 5 picks.

Yep. Here's levels of excitement, based on who we pick in the 1st round:

1. Fist pumping sprint toward endzone: Kendall Wright, Coby Fleener

2. Look of elation while squealing the Range out of Dove Valley: Jonathan Martin, Pete Konz, Dont'e Hightower, Mark Barron, Derek Wolfe, Nick Perry, Cordy Glenn

3. Throat cough: Devon Still, Mike Adams, Kendall Reyes, Michael Brockers, Dre Kirkpatrick, Chandler Jones, Lamar Miller, Andre Branch

4. We're just trying to win a MOTHER****ING game: Doug Martin

5. DO YOUR JOB!!: Jerel Worthy, Janoris Jenkins, Dontari Poe

Requiem · 04-19-2012, 02:07 PM

I've already came to terms with the fact that we will be picking a loser.

pricejj · 04-19-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

I've already came to terms with the fact that we will be picking a loser.

You would only be happy with Worthy?

Frosty78 · 04-19-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Yep. Here's levels of excitement, based on who we pick in the 1st round:

1. Fist pumping sprint toward endzone: Kendall Wright, Coby Fleener

2. Look of elation while squealing the Range out of Dove Valley: Jonathan Martin, Pete Konz, Dont'e Hightower, Mark Barron, Derek Wolfe, Nick Perry

3. Throat cough: Devon Still, Mike Adams, Kendall Reyes, Michael Brockers, Dre Kirkpatrick, Chandler Jones, Lamar Miller

4. We're just trying to win a MOTHER****ING game: Doug Martin

5. DO YOUR JOB!!: Jerel Worthy, Janoris Jenkins, Dontari Poe

I'd agree with most of what you said here except in regards to Doug Martin. Don't think we will be picking O-Line early though.

pricejj · 04-19-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty78

I'd agree with most of what you said here except in regards to Doug Martin. Don't think we will be picking O-Line early though.

Jonathan Stewart is better than Doug Martin, and we could trade Carolina our 2nd round pick to get him.

***although I'm hoping we can snag JStew for #87 overall

Frosty78 · 04-19-2012, 02:24 PM

Stewart is better, but he's going to want a big contract, which is why I don't see us trading for him. Carolina won't get a second rounder for him though.

pricejj · 04-19-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty78

Stewart is better, but he's going to want a big contract, which is why I don't see us trading for him. Carolina won't get a second rounder for him though.

I can't see him landing too much more than Tolbert did. I'm sure he would accept ~$2.6M per year, like he is scheduled to make this year, which doesn't break the bank. If we picked Doug Martin, he would get $2M.

Heck, Stewart might even be cut prior to June 1...

DBroncos4life · 04-19-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

I can't see him landing too much more than Tolbert did. I'm sure he would accept ~$2.6M per year, like he is scheduled to make this year. Which doesn't break the bank. If we picked Doug Martin, he would get $2M.

Heck, Stewart might even be cut prior to June 1...

pricejj · 04-19-2012, 02:54 PM

Well Carolina does have over $12M tied up in the RB position...but they are under the cap, so I guess it doesn't make much sense.

Plus Tolbert is an FB...so you can still justify keeping Stewart...

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04-19-2012, 11:40 AM	#1
Bmore Manning Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,829 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Positions of Need and Value When drafting the common thought is to take Best Player Available, let's be honest, this is not usually the case. In fact teams cross need with best player available, this represents the greatest value to the team. This is not always the case, teams will take BPA if they do not have holes on their roster, or a player falls much lower than expected.. I.E. Aaron Rodgers. With the draft coming a week from today, it is absolutely imperative the FO nail the draft and find impact players/starters. Elway has said rounds 1-3 represent starters which is very common and the rest of the rounds should represent upgrades, potential starters, or impact players. If rounds 1-3 represents starters, my question is which three positions should be addressed, and what round and player 1-3? My Opinion: Positions of need UT, NT, WLB, RB, CB Positions could use an upgrade MLB, C, G, S, DE, Slot WR Based on need and projected value I would like to see CB and DT addressed early, I think RB and LB are in the 3-4 range with a run stuffing NT who can push the pocket also in the mix. A corner has to be taken with one of the first two to three picks, Bailey isn't getting younger, Porter is on a one year deal, and most impactful DBs are taken in early rounds of the draft. It becomes an expensive position to upgrade through FA. Having said that while DT is a need, unless one of the top DTs fall, I see more value to take one in round two then to reach when round one needs to make a difference. Even a CB on the Broncos taken in round one would be a rotational guy his first year but it shows better long term value. What positions and in what order should the broncos address them in the draft?

04-19-2012, 11:50 AM	#2
DENVERDUI55 Drunk on Arrival! New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,278 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	CB OL DT in first for me. Where we are sitting at 25 is good spot for G or C. I wouldn't mind Fitz either. They don't bust very often. DT in second for sure.

04-19-2012, 11:53 AM	#3
Baba Booey twitter: @dpieza HURRY HURRY! Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North of the Wall Posts: 2,075 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	I think they like the receivers they have, but if a guy like Broyles is there in, say, the fourth, I think we should jump on it. Tough as nails, more fundamentally sound than pretty much any receiver in the draft, and produced at an absurd level in college. Would be going much higher if he never got hurt, but they say he's recovered miraculously (torn ACL I believe). Ran in the 4.5's post-injury on a pretty short turnaround.

04-19-2012, 11:54 AM	#4
Baba Booey twitter: @dpieza HURRY HURRY! Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North of the Wall Posts: 2,075 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Speaking of value, Marcus Forston in the fifth. Do it.

04-19-2012, 12:14 PM	#5
Frosty78 Rookie New to the Forum Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 83 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I wouldn't be surprised if they trade down at the position they are at in the draft. Elway has said they are drafting the best possible player regardless of position so it's going to be hard to project who they will pick. I think they like Doug Martin, Kirkpatrick, and Reyes for sure. That said, I just have a weird feeling the Coby Fleener will be our pick.

04-19-2012, 12:35 PM	#7
BroncoInferno Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 13,032	I like Fleener, but I can't see where he fits. We signed Tamme and Dreesen in FA and invested 2 picks in TEs in last years draft. Unless they are writing off Orange Julius and Virgil Green already, I can't see them going with Fleener.

04-19-2012, 12:57 PM	#10
Frosty78 Rookie New to the Forum Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 83 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	The only player at 25 that is actually worth the 25th pick is Kirkpatrick. Which is why I said I wouldn't be surprised if they traded down. At that point Reyes and Doug Martin would be in play along with Coby Fleener.

04-19-2012, 01:28 PM	#13
Frosty78 Rookie New to the Forum Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 83 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Won't matter. He's probably not getting past the Lions or Bengals.

04-19-2012, 01:44 PM	#16
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,423 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	I think the thing we know, is that we just don't know how this group will draft (again). We saw some of the Elway + Fox + Xanders drafting style last year, but who is to say JDR or Manning don't have a strong influence on our future decisions? If I was protecting my new $96 million dollar toy, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that finding a true pass blocking Right Tackle would be my first priority (and a good value at pick 25). Although, I don't feel strongly that is where our team will go because we also desperately need defense. So, we have needs and holes everywhere, and that is also a good thing. We can hardly go wrong because we can get better at almost every position across the board. We just don't know a thing about this group (except we do know which one goes to get the pizza).

04-19-2012, 02:07 PM	#18
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,837 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	I've already came to terms with the fact that we will be picking a loser.

04-19-2012, 02:24 PM	#22
Frosty78 Rookie New to the Forum Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 83 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Stewart is better, but he's going to want a big contract, which is why I don't see us trading for him. Carolina won't get a second rounder for him though.

04-19-2012, 02:54 PM	#25
pricejj jungle Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisville, CO Posts: 5,277	Well Carolina does have over $12M tied up in the RB position...but they are under the cap, so I guess it doesn't make much sense. Plus Tolbert is an FB...so you can still justify keeping Stewart...