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life as AA employees knew it is coming to an end.. UNions are toast..at least the contracts are.. |
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Merger Support Growing Among AMR Unions
April 20, 2012 At least two unions at bankrupt American Airlines would support a potential merger with US Airways and could issue a joint communication soon pressuring airline management to consider a deal, two sources said on Thursday. The sources said unions representing flight attendants and ground workers were open to talks between the two airlines. It was unclear if the union representing pilots also would support merger talks, they said. American Airlines parent AMR filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in November citing high labour costs. The company on Thursday posted a net loss of USD$1.7 billion for the first quarter. AMR has said repeatedly it wants to exit Chapter 11 as a stand-alone company. "As you know, there continues to be much takeover speculation in the press fuelled by those who seek to serve their own agendas, including the circulation of misleading information. I expect this to continue and to escalate," AMR chief executive Tom Horton said in a statement accompanying the airlines earnings report on Thursday. An AMR spokesman declined to comment beyond that statement. Sources have said US Airways, formed in 2005 from a merger with America West Airlines, has pitched merger proposals to members of AMR's creditors committee, which includes unions, in hopes of attracting support for a deal. For now, AMR has the right to reorganise without intrusion from outside parties. "Although we put a high probability that an eventual merger will happen, we believe that this could be aggressive timing since AMR management has the exclusive right to reorganise through the summer," said Ray Neidl, an airline analyst at Maxim. In March, US Airways gave a presentation to representatives of AMR's unsecured creditors and told them that a combination of the two airlines would create about USD$1.5 billion in synergies, according to people familiar with the matter. The briefing, which included US Airway's analysis as to how a proposed merger would reduce costs while boosting combined revenues, received positive response from the AMR creditors, they said. American has said it plans to eliminate 13,000 union jobs, or roughly 15 percent of its work force, as part of an overall drive to save roughly USD$1.25 billion in annual staff costs. The company has asked the bankruptcy court for permission to void the contracts. A hearing on the matter is set for next week. The company said on Wednesday it intended to cut another 1,200 non-unions jobs to reach that goal. Spokesmen for the Transport Workers Union, which represents ground workers, and the Association of Professional Flight Attendants declined to comment. A spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association was not reachable for comment. (Reuters) http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1334917455.html |
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The unions negotiated with the company and came to an agreement that was signed by the company. Why should they be forced by a judge to give up what was negotiated for and received in a legally binding contract? It's always the unions faults isn't it? It's never the companies failures. It's always the unions. Does responsibility only apply to the individual that can be stepped on and walked over?
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there has NEVER been a merger that did not cost jobs lost of them.. Initially they may not cut but when they merge ground staffs, cut flights in markets they both serve, boht Flight Attendents and pliots lose jobs.. theese unions are way out there in LALA land.. |
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American Airlines pilots knew the cuts were coming, but the union calls the new terms “atomic.” A company spokesperson tells NBC 5 that there’s no joy in making the cuts, but claims it has to be done for the airline to survive. “What they’ve elected to do is really kick the hornet’s nest. They told us they were going to go slow, that they’d like to get back to the bargaining table, but they’ve chosen the nuclear option here,” said First Officer Tom Hoban with the Allied Pilots Association. Hoban said the cuts coming from American Airlines are just fueling pilots frustrations. The company got the green light last week from a judge to start slashing $370 million in pilot costs. The airline isn’t wasting any time. “We’re going to be working more days with less pay, under some pretty significant, onerous conditions,” said Hoban. read more http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Ame...169608336.html just a matter of time before they redo all the union contracts they started with the big guns first and now coming after the rest of them.. |
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Amazing considering that at least from Denver, AA charges more than other airlines, and doesn't offer direct service. Most of their fleet are older McDonnell Douglasses, no? According to Wikipedia, their fleet is older than United and oddly I end up on United because other airlines like AA charge more and/or have weird hours for flights and irritating layovers.
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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
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The only thing I know for sure is Horton won't consider his or his other execs salaries, bonuses, etc. on the table. Easy to go cut other people's wages when you have a contract and a golden parachute. Takes no guts at all.
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I'm with you on this one. If the union has already made concessions and they're still having problems, maybe they need to cut costs somewhere else.
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Now taht is not saying that all the seats on the plane are at the lower rates.. they all have computer models that figre out the best "load" rates for x amounts of seats at the lowest fares going up to the full fares Y "Coach".. When one airline lowers/raises a fare in a certain market say DEN-LA all the other airlines match them most of the time.. May not dedicate the same number of seats to that fare but can say that the fares are the same.. Most of the airlines have old fleets with US Air probably being the oldest.. that is the airline that AA will probably be merged with and if you think AA is screwed up now just wait.. US Air still has not settled some of the Union issues they had when they merged with America West a very long time ago.. The last I heard they still have not merged the Flight attendant schedules and union rules because they are from different unions.. AA's hubs are in DAL, CHI and LAX IIRC so most of the time you will have to connect in one of those cities to get where you want to go.. Some of Uniteds hub cities are DEN, CHI, HOU, and Newark and LA, so taht is the reason you get direct (non Stop) flights.. |
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one of the perks of an education, working hard and knowing how to run a business..
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In the past strikes crippled both industries and then the money became bloated.. Now that said I really want the best pilot in the world driving the planes I'm on.. but to hear that these poor guys are going to have to be away from home 20 days of the month sorry but the money your making justifies that issue.. most people would love to have 10-11 days off a month.. at home with momma.. There are all sorts of regs that the FEDs have in place for crew rest, most flights over say 8 hours the pilots rotate out of the cockpit for a nap.. On longer flights say from NY to Asia there are two crews to make the flight each direction.. sometimes in life you can't have your cake and eat it also.. |
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I earned every promotion I got, in some cases more than once.. all form hard work very little arrogance involved at all.. |
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Wow! Talk about sanctimonious arrogance. I hope you live alone. It would be a shame to imagine some poor soul having to put up with such a bloated ego.
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And Jesus said to his disciples:
"And yea, whatsoever you do to the least of me people, that, you do unto me. But if you have a better education than someone, it's your goddamn right to fight for what's yours, no matter who you screw over in the process." |
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WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION
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Same with cable companies today, same with telephone service back in the day. The illusion of choice that props up companies who would otherwise fail when faced with legitimate competition goes directly against the alleged free market. |
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Pilots are living in poverty, donating plasma for money, surviving on foodstamps.
This is the quality of pilot you should expect on poverty wages, Here's the Hudson River hero, the type of pilot you're never going to see again: Skip to 3:35, "I don't know a single professional airline pilot who wants his or her children to follow in their footsteps" PBS has a good documentary on the problem, "Flying Cheap" http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ingcheap/view/ Last edited by Blart; 09-17-2012 at 10:20 AM.. |
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who needs facts when you've got God and "capitalism" to hide behind? |
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And people wonder why I refuse to fly.
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