Free Agency Grades: AFC West - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

KCStud · 04-07-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gcver2ver3

is this a closet (or non closet) chiefs fan or something?...

the chiefs struck out on all the available QB options and they get the same grade as a team that made the biggest free agent acquistion in nfl history?...

they lost a top 5 calibur corner but i guess that doesnt matter...

he criticizes Denver for adding Caleb Hanie, but isnt' equally critical of chiefs adding brady quinn?...

dwayne bowe counts as an addition?...

whoever wroote this must reside in the chiefsplanet lounge... thats the only logical explanation...

A 36 year old Manning coming off 4 neck surgeries isn't the best FA pickup of all time....

Boltjolt · 04-07-2012, 08:26 PM

Agree...Peyto is still Peyton but on paper, who cares really. The players have to fit what your doing and teh guy is a HOF'er but he is 36 coming off a year of not playing and a new scheme. We'll see how he does. I suspect he will be good, but who knows? He is 4-5 against us.

DBroncos4life · 04-07-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

A 36 year old Manning coming off 4 neck surgeries isn't the best FA pickup of all time....

Yes it is.

KCStud · 04-07-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Yes it is.

Reggie White, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Deion Sanders. All better.

And you can argue that Rich Gannon and Joe Montana were too.

cutthemdown · 04-07-2012, 10:57 PM

I wouldn't say Porter has horrid cover skills like this guy does. He is sort of avg for the NFL but I think he's better then Goodman.

cutthemdown · 04-07-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

Reggie White, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Deion Sanders. All better.

And you can argue that Rich Gannon and Joe Montana were too.

Hard to really rate these things until after the dude plays for his new team. No doubt about it though your team wished it could have gotten Manning. Had you, right now you would be slobbering all over him.

KCStud · 04-07-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Hard to really rate these things until after the dude plays for his new team. No doubt about it though your team wished it could have gotten Manning. Had you, right now you would be slobbering all over him.

This is true, but the point is that he hasn't proven anything yet and crowning him as the best FA pickup ever is a bit silly right now.

Gcver2ver3 · 04-08-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

This is true, but the point is that he hasn't proven anything yet and crowning him as the best FA pickup ever is a bit silly right now.

perception is reality...

and the media's perception is this is the greatest free agent landing in nfl history...

errand · 04-08-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

This is true, but the point is that he hasn't proven anything yet and crowning him as the best FA pickup ever is a bit silly right now.

Well he's definitely one of the biggest names to be signed as FA....

I think he'll play very well this year.....

strafen · 04-08-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Rob

I'm predicting that the Kansas City Chiefs are stuck with Matt Cassel to do his bloated and undeserved contract that Scott Pioli bestowed upon him, and Clark Hunt is too cheap to eat it.

2011 - 12,250,000
2012 - 5,250,000
2013 - 7,500,000
2014 - 9,000,000

That's insane!

Bob's your Information Minister · 04-08-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by canadianbroncosfan

Wow no wonder they had to downgrade Carr.

It had nothing to do with that. We have tons of cap room.

Cassel's contract was stupid, but we've paid out all of his guaranteed money.

We could cut him tomorrow and owe him nothing.

KCStud · 04-08-2012, 08:58 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...el-questioned/

At the moment, Matt Cassel appears ready to step into the 2012 season as the clear starter in Kansas City. But that doesn’t necessarily mean the Chiefs’ brain trust is totally committed to Cassel going forward.

The Kansas City Star reports that the Chiefs haven’t seemed sold on Cassel this offseason and are giving off mixed signals about where he stands with the team.

Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel says he wants to see more consistency from Cassel.

“That consistency . . . I think that’s the biggest thing with Matt,” Crennel said. “I think he’s excited about this year, about having Brian Daboll as our offensive coordinator, because he knows Brian and he knows the system Brian brings, and I’ve talked to Matt several times in the offseason and . . . he’s ready to go to work. He can’t wait for April 16th [the start of the Chiefs’ offseason program] to get here so he can start getting into the playbook.”

However, the Kansas City Star suggests that a week after April 16th gets here, Cassel will have new competition for the job, in the form of Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill, whom the Chiefs worked out last week.

It seems unlikely at this point that Tannehill will still be there at No. 11, where the Chiefs pick. But if Tannehill takes an unexpected fall out of the Top 10, the Chiefs could be the team to catch him.

If that happens, there will be no doubt that the Chiefs plan to move on from Cassel. Right now, whether or not they believe in Cassel as their long-term quarterback is up in the air.

Rolandftw · 04-08-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

Reggie White, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Deion Sanders. All better.

And you can argue that Rich Gannon and Joe Montana were too.

lol. You should have stopped after Reggie White.

KCStud · 04-08-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rolandftw

lol. You should have stopped after Reggie White.

This isn't about what Manning has done in his career. It's about how he'll do as a FA pickup in Denver...and he has a lot to live up to to be better than those players.

Brees won a SB and has made the Saints an elite team for years, Warner took the Rams to 2 SB's and even took the Cardinals to one as a FA, Sanders played a big role in the Cowboys and 49ers winning the SB as a FA.

Rolandftw · 04-08-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...el-questioned/

At the moment, Matt Cassel appears ready to step into the 2012 season as the clear starter in Kansas City. But that doesn’t necessarily mean the Chiefs’ brain trust is totally committed to Cassel going forward.

The Kansas City Star reports that the Chiefs haven’t seemed sold on Cassel this offseason and are giving off mixed signals about where he stands with the team.

Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel says he wants to see more consistency from Cassel.

“That consistency . . . I think that’s the biggest thing with Matt,” Crennel said. “I think he’s excited about this year, about having Brian Daboll as our offensive coordinator, because he knows Brian and he knows the system Brian brings, and I’ve talked to Matt several times in the offseason and . . . he’s ready to go to work. He can’t wait for April 16th [the start of the Chiefs’ offseason program] to get here so he can start getting into the playbook.”

However, the Kansas City Star suggests that a week after April 16th gets here, Cassel will have new competition for the job, in the form of Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill, whom the Chiefs worked out last week.

It seems unlikely at this point that Tannehill will still be there at No. 11, where the Chiefs pick. But if Tannehill takes an unexpected fall out of the Top 10, the Chiefs could be the team to catch him.

If that happens, there will be no doubt that the Chiefs plan to move on from Cassel. Right now, whether or not they believe in Cassel as their long-term quarterback is up in the air.

So, you might get Ryan Tannehill if he drops? Awesome.

KCStud · 04-08-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rolandftw

So, you might get Ryan Tannehill if he drops? Awesome.

You missed the entire point Roland.

Rolandftw · 04-08-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

This isn't about what Manning has done in his career. It's about how he'll do as a FA pickup in Denver...and he has a lot to live up to to be better than those players.

Brees won a SB and has made the Saints an elite team for years, Warner took the Rams to 2 SB's and even took the Cardinals to one as a FA, Sanders played a big role in the Cowboys and 49ers winning the SB as a FA.

Ok, great. I don't think anyone expected Brees or Warner to do what they did either. At the times of their respective signings, Manning was the bigger get then all of them. Second biggest of all time probably.

Now 3 years from now, maybe Denver fans will feel how Chief fans felt after the Joe Montana years.. and it won't be seen quite as great.

I don't get how you could assume he won't have the same impact as those other players though. Nobody really knows. All I can do now is judge him where he is right now.

Rolandftw · 04-08-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

You missed the entire point Roland.

What was the point? That KC might be ready to move past Cassel? QB is the hardest position to find. Easier said then done.

Especially when the rest of KC's team is good enough that they're never going to get a top pick to nab a QB.

IF Kc's really not sold on Cassel, and they think Tannehill is the next great QB--should just trade up to get him I guess. I doubt he slips to 11.

KCStud · 04-08-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rolandftw

Ok, great. I don't think anyone expected Brees or Warner to do what they did either. At the times of their respective signings, Manning was the bigger get then all of them. Second biggest of all time probably.

Now 3 years from now, maybe Denver fans will feel how Chief fans felt after the Joe Montana years.. and it won't be seen quite as great.

I don't get how you could assume he won't have the same impact as those other players though. Nobody really knows. All I can do now is judge him where he is right now.

That's what makes them such great pickups.

But I will say this. All of those players had a lot of talent on their teams to help them succeed. I don't think Manning has that much talent around him in Denver as the other players did on their teams.

Crushaholic · 11-05-2012, 01:40 PM

I give a little credit to kc, for ending the Stanford Routt experiment...

baja · 11-05-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

A 36 year old Manning coming off 4 neck surgeries isn't the best FA pickup of all time....

What ever you say boss

Kaylore · 11-05-2012, 02:08 PM

Sheepstud has easily some of the worst takes ever.

Houshyamama · 11-05-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

A 36 year old Manning coming off 4 neck surgeries isn't the best FA pickup of all time....

This guy is a ****ing joke. Can we just ban him and be done with it?

Houshyamama · 11-05-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud

That's what makes them such great pickups.

But I will say this. All of those players had a lot of talent on their teams to help them succeed. I don't think Manning has that much talent around him in Denver as the other players did on their teams.

Crushaholic · 11-05-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Houshyamama

This guy is a ****ing joke. Can we just ban him and be done with it?

He IS currently banned...

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04-07-2012, 08:26 PM	#27
Boltjolt Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 806	Agree...Peyto is still Peyton but on paper, who cares really. The players have to fit what your doing and teh guy is a HOF'er but he is 36 coming off a year of not playing and a new scheme. We'll see how he does. I suspect he will be good, but who knows? He is 4-5 against us.

04-07-2012, 10:57 PM	#30
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,460	I wouldn't say Porter has horrid cover skills like this guy does. He is sort of avg for the NFL but I think he's better then Goodman.

04-08-2012, 08:58 PM	#37
KCStud Ring of Famer AmeriStanzi! Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,017 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...el-questioned/ At the moment, Matt Cassel appears ready to step into the 2012 season as the clear starter in Kansas City. But that doesn’t necessarily mean the Chiefs’ brain trust is totally committed to Cassel going forward. The Kansas City Star reports that the Chiefs haven’t seemed sold on Cassel this offseason and are giving off mixed signals about where he stands with the team. Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel says he wants to see more consistency from Cassel. “That consistency . . . I think that’s the biggest thing with Matt,” Crennel said. “I think he’s excited about this year, about having Brian Daboll as our offensive coordinator, because he knows Brian and he knows the system Brian brings, and I’ve talked to Matt several times in the offseason and . . . he’s ready to go to work. He can’t wait for April 16th [the start of the Chiefs’ offseason program] to get here so he can start getting into the playbook.” However, the Kansas City Star suggests that a week after April 16th gets here, Cassel will have new competition for the job, in the form of Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill, whom the Chiefs worked out last week. It seems unlikely at this point that Tannehill will still be there at No. 11, where the Chiefs pick. But if Tannehill takes an unexpected fall out of the Top 10, the Chiefs could be the team to catch him. If that happens, there will be no doubt that the Chiefs plan to move on from Cassel. Right now, whether or not they believe in Cassel as their long-term quarterback is up in the air.

11-05-2012, 01:40 PM	#45
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,043	I give a little credit to kc, for ending the Stanford Routt experiment...

11-05-2012, 02:08 PM	#47
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,038 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Sheepstud has easily some of the worst takes ever.