Would you approve trading a 2nd round pick to the Panthers in exchange for RB Jonathan Stewart? - Page 5 - The Orange Mane

Swedish Extrovert · 04-04-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Rob

Some recent 2nd round picks by the Denver Broncos

• Rahim Moore
• Zane Beadles
• Alphonso Smith
• Darcel McBath
• Richard Quinn
• Tim Crowder
• Tatum Bell
• Terry Pierce

Jury is still out on Rahim Moore and Zane Beadles. It doesn't look good, but I'm holding out hope that they will be solid starters.

Alphonso Smith is a good corner, just not with us. (All the more reason not to give up on a guy.)

Darcel McBath is in Jax now and he has moved from Safety to corner. He was solid, just couldn't stay healthy. I'd say the jury is still out.

Richard Quinn - terrible pick. I didn't like it at the time. Never liked it.

Tim Crowder - same as above.

Tatum Bell had a good year. We also got Dre Bly for him who wasn't what I would call solid, but made a few plays.

I don't know much about Terry Pierce. I was in military school when he was drafted.

BroncoInferno · 04-04-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Yup, you're right. I misread his contract. He's got a club option that the Broncos can exercise if they want for a 6th season. Thought the option was for the 5th season. Kind of surprised a first round RB would potentially tie himself down for that long for such relatively small money.

Before the new CBA, five year deals were the standard for 1st round picks, weren't they? Then four years for the 2nd round, and three years for every round thereafter. Unless I'm misremembering.

*WARHORSE* · 04-04-2012, 02:05 PM

NO.

But a third next year? YES.

Beantown Bronco · 04-04-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Before the new CBA, five year deals were the standard for 1st round picks, weren't they? Then four years for the 2nd round, and three years for every round thereafter. Unless I'm misremembering.

Exactly. It's simply the extra 6th year that the team holds the option for that surprised me.

Gcver2ver3 · 04-04-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

Jury is still out on Rahim Moore and Zane Beadles. It doesn't look good, but I'm holding out hope that they will be solid starters.

Alphonso Smith is a good corner, just not with us. (All the more reason not to give up on a guy.)

Darcel McBath is in Jax now and he has moved from Safety to corner. He was solid, just couldn't stay healthy. I'd say the jury is still out.

Richard Quinn - terrible pick. I didn't like it at the time. Never liked it.

Tim Crowder - same as above.

Tatum Bell had a good year. We also got Dre Bly for him who wasn't what I would call solid, but made a few plays.

I don't know much about Terry Pierce. I was in military school when he was drafted.

Terry pierce was a disappointment...

Bronco Rob · 04-06-2012, 05:57 AM

Broncos want another RB regardless of Knowshon Moreno's condition

Moreno is a former first-round pick, just 24, and may have been having the best day of his career as a runner with 52 yards on four carries against the Chiefs when he was injured along the sideline. And with the offense the Broncos will run featuring Peyton Manning behind center, there would be a place for a back who catches the ball as well as Moreno does. Also, Moreno is well-versed in pass protection — a must for any NFL back to play on third down.

But Fox wants some more muscle in the backfield in support of 30-year-old Willis McGahee.

In his tenure with the Carolina Panthers, Fox was in the team's "war room" when it used two first-round picks on running backs — DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart — to have the kind of depth in the backfield he wanted. The strength of the draft board this year doesn't show any backs beyond Alabama's Trent Richardson with unquestionable first-round grades.

But there are numerous bigger backs with middle-round grades who will get a long look from the Broncos.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...edium=facebook

vancejohnson82 · 04-06-2012, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Rob

Broncos want another RB regardless of Knowshon Moreno's condition

Moreno is a former first-round pick, just 24, and may have been having the best day of his career as a runner with 52 yards on four carries against the Chiefs when he was injured along the sideline. And with the offense the Broncos will run featuring Peyton Manning behind center, there would be a place for a back who catches the ball as well as Moreno does. Also, Moreno is well-versed in pass protection — a must for any NFL back to play on third down.

But Fox wants some more muscle in the backfield in support of 30-year-old Willis McGahee.

In his tenure with the Carolina Panthers, Fox was in the team's "war room" when it used two first-round picks on running backs — DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart — to have the kind of depth in the backfield he wanted. The strength of the draft board this year doesn't show any backs beyond Alabama's Trent Richardson with unquestionable first-round grades.

But there are numerous bigger backs with middle-round grades who will get a long look from the Broncos.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...edium=facebook

Moreno being good at pass protection is news to me

Drek · 04-06-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by vancejohnson82

Moreno being good at pass protection is news to me

Seriously?

Just because the guy hasn't shown an ability to consistently see the lanes and run with authority doesn't mean he sucks at everything.

He was the best pass pro back on our team last year, including McGahee and Larsen. He runs routes better than most of our WRs. He catches better than most of our WRs. Dude just has ****ty vision at the line and as a result is indecisive as a runner.

He could be a great 3rd down back/slot weapon similar to what the Saints have done with Sproles and Bush over the last several years. He's just hasn't shown the ability to be a dominant every down back. We need a guy like that since McGahee is an old man by NFL RB standards.

DENVERDUI55 · 04-06-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Drek

He could be a great 3rd down back/slot weapon similar to what the Saints have done with Sproles and Bush over the last several years. He's just hasn't shown the ability to be a dominant every down back. We need a guy like that since McGahee is an old man by NFL RB standards.

I've always said this guy is a poor man's Kevin Faulk. He is more talented supposedly but the production isn't near as good.

Beantown Bronco · 04-06-2012, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

I've always said this guy is a poor man's Kevin Faulk. He is more talented supposedly but the production isn't near as good.

Is this a joke?!?

Kevin Faulk after his first 3 seasons vs Moreno after 3 seasons:

Faulk 1718 all purpose yards and 10 TDs
Moreno 2591 all purpose yards and 18 TDs

DENVERDUI55 · 04-06-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Is this a joke?!?

Kevin Faulk after his first 3 seasons vs Moreno after 3 seasons:

Faulk 1718 all purpose yards and 10 TDs
Moreno 2591 all purpose yards and 18 TDs

Yeah same guy. Rush for 3 to 400 yds catch 40 balls a year. Moreno should have better numbers he was tried as the guy but can't stay healthy or beat out a 31 year old. He is was he is 12 pick on 3 rd down back.

Beantown Bronco · 04-06-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

Yeah same guy. Rush for 3 to 400 yds catch 40 balls a year.

Again, are you joking?

Moreno's rookie year, he had 950 yards rushing. His 2nd year, 780.

In what world is that the equivalent of 300-400 yards rushing?

There is absolutely no way to make an argument that Faulk is the more productive back. I'm sorry. There just isn't.

Bronco Rob · 04-26-2012, 08:10 PM

Williams and Stewart both were first-round picks by the Panthers and are highly regarded by the team. But it’s pretty obvious the Panthers just sent a message that either one could be available and other teams are going to start calling to inquire about trades."

"It might be difficult to get a trade partner for Williams. The Panthers signed him to a huge contract last summer and that could scare off some suitors. But I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of the Panthers dealing Williams. Fox likes Williams a lot and could want a new toy for Peyton Manning in Denver. Some other team might be willing to take a shot on Williams."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/pos...ffle-backfield

Vegas_Bronco · 04-26-2012, 08:16 PM

Backs are a dime a dozen...we need impact players in this draft

1) oline depth
2) dline depth
3) secondary depth

How can you even think giving up a 2nd when you could fill 2 of these 3 needs quickly in the 2nd round?

rmsanger · 04-26-2012, 08:16 PM

Pass on Dwill.... Do want JStew for a the later 2nd or 3rd...

Vegas_Bronco · 04-26-2012, 08:18 PM

When is the last time this guy played 6-8 straight games?

Bronco Rob · 10-28-2012, 07:55 AM

Adam Schefter

With trade deadline Tuesday, teams around league have contacted Carolina to inquire about RB DeAngelo Williams. Panthers willing to listen.

BroncoMan4ever · 10-28-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Rob

Adam Schefter

With trade deadline Tuesday, teams around league have contacted Carolina to inquire about RB DeAngelo Williams. Panthers willing to listen.

With that contract; hell no!

If we trade for a RB it needs to be someone with less wear and tear. I say call Jacksonville about Rashard Jennings.

rugbythug · 10-28-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

With that contract; hell no!

If we trade for a RB it needs to be someone with less wear and tear. I say call Jacksonville about Rashard Jennings.

He is starting.

Hamrob · 10-28-2012, 08:50 AM

I'd give a 4th for Williams. He would be a nice addition and push Ball out of the picture.

They probably want a 2nd or a 3rd...but, it won't happen.

They may also consider a player plus a draft pick. We have some guys on our team that could be expendable. Guys like Julius Thomas, Knowshon Moreno, or Andre Caldwell.

Or, how about Tracy Porter straight across for D. Williams?

peacepipe · 10-28-2012, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas_Bronco

Backs are a dime a dozen...we need impact players in this draft

1) oline depth
2) dline depth
3) secondary depth

How can you even think giving up a 2nd when you could fill 2 of these 3 needs quickly in the 2nd round?

1)Dline
2)LB
3)secondary

IMO, would be our biggest needs. Oline has played pretty well overall. they can be better but aren't our biggest need.

Bacchus · 10-28-2012, 03:17 PM

No team is going to give a 2nd for stewart. I would for MJD but not Stewart.

Bacchus · 10-28-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Is this a joke?!?

Kevin Faulk after his first 3 seasons vs Moreno after 3 seasons:

Faulk 1718 all purpose yards and 10 TDs
Moreno 2591 all purpose yards and 18 TDs

that is because Moreno started for a whole season where as Faulk was never a started and never got starter's carries.

BroncoMan4ever · 10-28-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rugbythug

He is starting.

I know I just really wanted him in Denver.

lonestar · 10-28-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus

No team is going to give a 2nd for stewart. I would for MJD but not Stewart.

yep a guy on crutches is going to help..

he is a RB with a lot of wear and tear on him.. how about we look for a young stud instead..

Not all of them are day one picks.. in fact some are not even drafted..

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04-04-2012, 02:05 PM	#103
WARHORSE GNASHING OF TEETH Let the heads roll......... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kailua, Hawaii Posts: 518 Adopt-a-Bronco: Lombardi III	NO. But a third next year? YES.

04-06-2012, 05:57 AM	#106
Bronco Rob Ring of Famer There's A New Sheriff In Town Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,589 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bill Vinovich	Broncos want another RB regardless of Knowshon Moreno's condition Moreno is a former first-round pick, just 24, and may have been having the best day of his career as a runner with 52 yards on four carries against the Chiefs when he was injured along the sideline. And with the offense the Broncos will run featuring Peyton Manning behind center, there would be a place for a back who catches the ball as well as Moreno does. Also, Moreno is well-versed in pass protection — a must for any NFL back to play on third down. But Fox wants some more muscle in the backfield in support of 30-year-old Willis McGahee. In his tenure with the Carolina Panthers, Fox was in the team's "war room" when it used two first-round picks on running backs — DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart — to have the kind of depth in the backfield he wanted. The strength of the draft board this year doesn't show any backs beyond Alabama's Trent Richardson with unquestionable first-round grades. But there are numerous bigger backs with middle-round grades who will get a long look from the Broncos. http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...edium=facebook

04-26-2012, 08:10 PM	#113
Bronco Rob Ring of Famer There's A New Sheriff In Town Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,589 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bill Vinovich	Williams and Stewart both were first-round picks by the Panthers and are highly regarded by the team. But it’s pretty obvious the Panthers just sent a message that either one could be available and other teams are going to start calling to inquire about trades." "It might be difficult to get a trade partner for Williams. The Panthers signed him to a huge contract last summer and that could scare off some suitors. But I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of the Panthers dealing Williams. Fox likes Williams a lot and could want a new toy for Peyton Manning in Denver. Some other team might be willing to take a shot on Williams." http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/pos...ffle-backfield

04-26-2012, 08:16 PM	#114
Vegas_Bronco Ring of Famer Fear is a lack of preparation. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 63 Yards Out Posts: 4,051 Adopt-a-Bronco: 1 Elam 1	Backs are a dime a dozen...we need impact players in this draft 1) oline depth 2) dline depth 3) secondary depth How can you even think giving up a 2nd when you could fill 2 of these 3 needs quickly in the 2nd round?

04-26-2012, 08:16 PM	#115
rmsanger Ring of Famer Another one bites the dust! Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Pass on Dwill.... Do want JStew for a the later 2nd or 3rd...

04-26-2012, 08:18 PM	#116
Vegas_Bronco Ring of Famer Fear is a lack of preparation. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 63 Yards Out Posts: 4,051 Adopt-a-Bronco: 1 Elam 1	When is the last time this guy played 6-8 straight games?

10-28-2012, 07:55 AM	#117
Bronco Rob Ring of Famer There's A New Sheriff In Town Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,589 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bill Vinovich	Adam Schefter With trade deadline Tuesday, teams around league have contacted Carolina to inquire about RB DeAngelo Williams. Panthers willing to listen.

10-28-2012, 08:50 AM	#120
Hamrob All-American! All-American! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: DFW Posts: 4,756 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I'd give a 4th for Williams. He would be a nice addition and push Ball out of the picture. They probably want a 2nd or a 3rd...but, it won't happen. They may also consider a player plus a draft pick. We have some guys on our team that could be expendable. Guys like Julius Thomas, Knowshon Moreno, or Andre Caldwell. Or, how about Tracy Porter straight across for D. Williams?

10-28-2012, 03:17 PM	#122
Bacchus I'm buying Infraspinatus Fascia Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 5,583 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	No team is going to give a 2nd for stewart. I would for MJD but not Stewart.