The Manning offense - Parts 1-6 - The Orange Mane

TonyR · 03-24-2012, 01:17 PM

Manning said at his introductory presser that he wasn’t going to be the offensive coordinator. That’s literally true, in the sense that he won’t have that title. He almost certainly will be leading the installation of his own offense, though. John Fox said on Sirius the other day that he expects there to be a collaboration process between what Manning and McCoy like. Translation: Manning's offense will be used.

Manning’s offense is the simplest in the NFL, which has the benefit of making it 100% callable from the line of scrimmage, and with every play available. For all the talk about audibling, most teams in the NFL primarily use a check-with-me system. That means that there will be a call made in the huddle, and also a coach-selected second call that should exploit a defense which is aligned well to defend the first call. By doing it this way, the QB can just yell out “ALERT! ALERT!” or something to that effect, and switch the play to the alternate call that everybody is expecting. Nothing is given away to the defense, because the check-off play will be something different every time the offense huddles.

The Manning offense (I call it that, because there’s nothing else like it) features about six running plays and 10 pass concepts. Each of those plays will have a number of different code words related to them, so that if I call out GLENGARRY once, and it’s an inside run, I don’t have to use GLENGARRY again for the same inside run later. I can have GLENGARRY, NEBRASKA, CHATTANOOGA, MARLINESPIKE, and AVALANCHE all mean the same inside running play.

I can also use a lot of dummy words, and have an activating word, which changes by the series. Manning has used that approach over the years. You might hear:

Odd 44, stack, calliope, 52’s the Mike, yellow 13, alert, alert, slide left, extra, reliable, GLENGARRY, maximum, overload right, green 27, set hut!

Most of that doesn’t mean anything – I just made it up, but let’s say Odd 44 means that the defense is in a three-man front and the two DEs are in 4-techniques. 52 is the Mike is self-explanatory. Reliable is the activating word, meaning that the word that comes after it, GLENGARRY, indicates the play call. The rest of it is dummy information. Maybe Manning says slide left, but that doesn’t mean the offensive line will. He says overload right, even if there isn’t an overload to the right.

Manning is the only QB in the NFL who is afforded the ability to call his own plays at the line of scrimmage whenever he feels he should. It’s worked really well, so there’s no reason to change that. We’ll get into recognition a little later, and how he chooses plays. For now, just understand that it’s up to him in those moments when he’s barking out random-sounding words, and that some of those words mean things.

Read the whole thing here: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...offense-part-1

GreeleyGrizzley · 03-24-2012, 01:28 PM

I can't wait to see Manning stand up there and do his thing, in orange! I still can't believe he's a Bronco. It's so great because I've seen him do it week in and week out, victimizing defenses across the league. Let's do it Manning!! I am pumped...

Alright, back to technical discussion of the offense...

Rohirrim · 03-24-2012, 01:30 PM

That's all well and good, but I'll bet I'll still be sitting there on Sunday thinking, "Snap the goddamn ball!"

I kid.

I'm looking forward to seeing this operate.

Agamemnon · 03-24-2012, 03:15 PM

It will certainly be better than anything McCoy would be able to manage. I'll say that much.

Cito Pelon · 03-24-2012, 03:28 PM

This pretty much illustrates what a ridiculous signing this was.

TonyR · 03-24-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

This pretty much illustrates what a ridiculous signing this was.

How so? Just curious what you mean.

SonOfLe-loLang · 03-24-2012, 03:33 PM

Yeah. How

KevinJames · 03-24-2012, 03:34 PM

UberBroncoMan · 03-24-2012, 03:36 PM

Was so sick of running on first down every ****ing time for 2nd and long.

Agamemnon · 03-24-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

Was so sick of running on first down every ****ing time for 2nd and long.

Well now we'll be passing on most first downs so rejoice!

Cito Pelon · 03-24-2012, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyR

How so? Just curious what you mean.

Manning's not gonna come in here and run some kind of kickass, no-huddle call it at the line offense, no way.

Agamemnon · 03-24-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames

God that has always annoyed me so much. Now I get to watch it every Sunday. We better win a ****ing Super Bowl. That's all I've got to say.

UberBroncoMan · 03-24-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames

**** do I miss Al Wilson.

He was our Peyton Manning of Defense. Downhill since.

Wish we could get him in to coach up and mentor Irving for the off-preseason.

Cito Pelon · 03-24-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Yeah. How

Manning won't come in here and take off from where he left off 3 years ago. Not gonna happen. Sorry, but it's not gonna happen. He wasn't the kickass guy people like to think of him anyway, except for reg season.

DenverBrit · 03-24-2012, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

**** do I miss Al Wilson.

He was our Peyton Manning of Defense. Downhill since.

Wish we could get him in to coach up and mentor Irving for the off-preseason.

Yeah, Al went to TN and knew Manning's theatrics were mostly nonsense.
He would shift the D at the last minute so there would be no time for PM to change the play again.

We really need another Al.

TonyR · 03-24-2012, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Manning won't come in here and take off from where he left off 3 years ago. Not gonna happen. Sorry, but it's not gonna happen. He wasn't the kickass guy people like to think of him anyway, except for reg season.

3 year ago? The season before last he passed for 4,700 yards (his best ever) and 33 TD's.

broncolife · 03-24-2012, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Yeah, Al went to TN and knew Manning's theatrics were mostly nonsense.
He would shift the D at the last minute so there would be no time for PM to change the play again.

We really need another Al.

but, but we have Joe Mays

Hercules Rockefeller · 03-24-2012, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

It will certainly be better than anything McCoy would be able to manage. I'll say that much.

Yeah, McCoy was able to run an offense with a QB who couldn't complete 1 out 2 passes and succeed. ****ing moron probably can't do jack with a real QB who can actually throw the ball.

jerseyguy4 · 03-24-2012, 04:59 PM

The "Peyton Manning Offense" has evolved a lot of his career.

Offhand, I would mark the huddle evolution points as:
- (start of career) regular QB who huddles except under 2 minutes
- started stretching the 2 minute no-huddle into longer stretches when needed
- no huddle all the time

similarly, the play calling has evolved....I only know what the articles said at the time. but it went something like this:
- regular. Tom Moore was calling the plays
- Moore would call in 3 plays, and allow Peyton to choose among them
- Moore would call in an "idea", and Peyton would work with that. Possibly it would be scrapped at the line if necessary
- Moore stopped calling plays, and instead would call in whatever information Peyton and he agreed was most useful. Peyton was basically running his own show.

Actually, I would be a little surprised if the Manning/McCoy agreement was straight "do whatever you think works" right out of the gate. One of Manning's best qualities is that he's been flexible over the years. McCoy and Manning need to come up with a new system, a Denver Broncos system, and a Manning-McCoy system.

Honestly, it could be just about anything and I wouldn't be surprised. I do expect it to be a damn good show though. As fans, we might need a little patience too. Might take a few games to find a rhythm.

bombay · 03-24-2012, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Manning won't come in here and take off from where he left off 3 years ago. Not gonna happen. Sorry, but it's not gonna happen. He wasn't the kickass guy people like to think of him anyway, except for reg season.

Three years ago?

I wonder what happened in 2010.

bombay · 03-24-2012, 05:02 PM

Whatever happens, Tebow is gone, so it will be about football, not who may get their feelings hurt, whether the OC can invent a high school offense on the fly, etc.

What a relief.

jerseyguy4 · 03-24-2012, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinJames

Not sure when this video was from, but Glenn retired after 2006.
To continue on my previous post, this was mid career Manning. You can see they were still showing huddles, which eventually were almost non existant.

Kinda joking, but Saturday and all the linemen often complained that they spent so much time at the line, it was killing their legs and knees. Maybe that's why he went to GB

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyR

Manning’s offense is the simplest in the NFL, which has the benefit of making it 100% callable from the line of scrimmage, and with every play available.

Very true.

extralife · 03-24-2012, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Manning won't come in here and take off from where he left off 3 years ago. Not gonna happen. Sorry, but it's not gonna happen. He wasn't the kickass guy people like to think of him anyway, except for reg season.

whelp, I'm convinced

BroncoBeavis · 03-24-2012, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombay

Three years ago?

I wonder what happened in 2010.

Had to rally to make the playoffs then one n done loss to the Jets in the Wild Card game.

Rohirrim · 03-24-2012, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Manning won't come in here and take off from where he left off 3 years ago. Not gonna happen. Sorry, but it's not gonna happen. He wasn't the kickass guy people like to think of him anyway, except for reg season.

Like the OP says, it's not that complex of an offense. I'm sure the Broncos won't have any trouble with it.

03-24-2012, 01:17 PM	#1
TonyR Franchise Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 15,581	The Manning offense - Parts 1-6 Manning said at his introductory presser that he wasn’t going to be the offensive coordinator. That’s literally true, in the sense that he won’t have that title. He almost certainly will be leading the installation of his own offense, though. John Fox said on Sirius the other day that he expects there to be a collaboration process between what Manning and McCoy like. Translation: Manning's offense will be used. Manning’s offense is the simplest in the NFL, which has the benefit of making it 100% callable from the line of scrimmage, and with every play available. For all the talk about audibling, most teams in the NFL primarily use a check-with-me system. That means that there will be a call made in the huddle, and also a coach-selected second call that should exploit a defense which is aligned well to defend the first call. By doing it this way, the QB can just yell out “ALERT! ALERT!” or something to that effect, and switch the play to the alternate call that everybody is expecting. Nothing is given away to the defense, because the check-off play will be something different every time the offense huddles. The Manning offense (I call it that, because there’s nothing else like it) features about six running plays and 10 pass concepts. Each of those plays will have a number of different code words related to them, so that if I call out GLENGARRY once, and it’s an inside run, I don’t have to use GLENGARRY again for the same inside run later. I can have GLENGARRY, NEBRASKA, CHATTANOOGA, MARLINESPIKE, and AVALANCHE all mean the same inside running play. I can also use a lot of dummy words, and have an activating word, which changes by the series. Manning has used that approach over the years. You might hear: Odd 44, stack, calliope, 52’s the Mike, yellow 13, alert, alert, slide left, extra, reliable, GLENGARRY, maximum, overload right, green 27, set hut! Most of that doesn’t mean anything – I just made it up, but let’s say Odd 44 means that the defense is in a three-man front and the two DEs are in 4-techniques. 52 is the Mike is self-explanatory. Reliable is the activating word, meaning that the word that comes after it, GLENGARRY, indicates the play call. The rest of it is dummy information. Maybe Manning says slide left, but that doesn’t mean the offensive line will. He says overload right, even if there isn’t an overload to the right. Manning is the only QB in the NFL who is afforded the ability to call his own plays at the line of scrimmage whenever he feels he should. It’s worked really well, so there’s no reason to change that. We’ll get into recognition a little later, and how he chooses plays. For now, just understand that it’s up to him in those moments when he’s barking out random-sounding words, and that some of those words mean things. Read the whole thing here: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...offense-part-1 Last edited by TonyR; 04-17-2012 at 12:25 PM..

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03-24-2012, 01:28 PM	#2
GreeleyGrizzley Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 60	I can't wait to see Manning stand up there and do his thing, in orange! I still can't believe he's a Bronco. It's so great because I've seen him do it week in and week out, victimizing defenses across the league. Let's do it Manning!! I am pumped... Alright, back to technical discussion of the offense...

03-24-2012, 01:30 PM	#3
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,843	That's all well and good, but I'll bet I'll still be sitting there on Sunday thinking, "Snap the goddamn ball!" I kid. I'm looking forward to seeing this operate.

03-24-2012, 03:15 PM	#4
Agamemnon Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 10,450 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	It will certainly be better than anything McCoy would be able to manage. I'll say that much.

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Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,194 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	This pretty much illustrates what a ridiculous signing this was.

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SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,228 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	Yeah. How

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03-24-2012, 04:59 PM	#19
jerseyguy4 Solid Starter Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Roxbury, NJ Posts: 209	The "Peyton Manning Offense" has evolved a lot of his career. Offhand, I would mark the huddle evolution points as: - (start of career) regular QB who huddles except under 2 minutes - started stretching the 2 minute no-huddle into longer stretches when needed - no huddle all the time similarly, the play calling has evolved....I only know what the articles said at the time. but it went something like this: - regular. Tom Moore was calling the plays - Moore would call in 3 plays, and allow Peyton to choose among them - Moore would call in an "idea", and Peyton would work with that. Possibly it would be scrapped at the line if necessary - Moore stopped calling plays, and instead would call in whatever information Peyton and he agreed was most useful. Peyton was basically running his own show. Actually, I would be a little surprised if the Manning/McCoy agreement was straight "do whatever you think works" right out of the gate. One of Manning's best qualities is that he's been flexible over the years. McCoy and Manning need to come up with a new system, a Denver Broncos system, and a Manning-McCoy system. Honestly, it could be just about anything and I wouldn't be surprised. I do expect it to be a damn good show though. As fans, we might need a little patience too. Might take a few games to find a rhythm.

03-24-2012, 05:02 PM	#21
bombay Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: denver Posts: 4,331	Whatever happens, Tebow is gone, so it will be about football, not who may get their feelings hurt, whether the OC can invent a high school offense on the fly, etc. What a relief.