Will 8-8 Be Considered A Success In 2012? Manning Edition

[That One Guy]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

But is our roster actually better? That's my point. Not whether or not Manning will have a positive effect on them. Right now we have lost our best DT, and added nothing of worth so far in return (leaving Manning out obviously). So again, how is this roster better than last year's?

The passing game will be better, the running game will be worse. In this league, that translates to points. That's how this should be judged. We didn't change the roster when Tebow became QB but the run game got more productive by way of how the players were used. The offense will be able to put up more points (in theory) so the team will be improved. Whether they can translate that new scenario into a more effective use of the D is what we'll be waiting to see. Some theorize they can send the pass rushers now and it'll make a difference but straight up the middle is possibly worse right now than anything Manning ever had on one of his Ds. As of right now, the D has gotten tremendously worse so at this point, we have to rely on the different usages of the players to bail us out or we're fooked.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by Play2Win

Shanny would call it a success...

and par for the course.

Hell no 8-8 isnt good enough. If Tebow was QB, I think 8-8 or 9-7 would be expected. We don't bring in a HOF QB for an 8-8 season. Period.

[BroncoMan4ever]

8-8 is failure. anything less than AFCCG and this place will explode when Tebow fans return to talk **** that the 96 million dollar man is no better than Tim was last season

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by That One Guy

The passing game will be better, the running game will be worse. In this league, that translates to points. That's how this should be judged. We didn't change the roster when Tebow became QB but the run game got more productive by way of how the players were used. The offense will be able to put up more points (in theory) so the team will be improved. Whether they can translate that new scenario into a more effective use of the D is what we'll be waiting to see. Some theorize they can send the pass rushers now and it'll make a difference but straight up the middle is possibly worse right now than anything Manning ever had on one of his Ds. As of right now, the D has gotten tremendously worse so at this point, we have to rely on the different usages of the players to bail us out or we're fooked.

This has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the roster has been improved. You are talking about something else entirely: how the team performs on the field.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

8-8 is failure. anything less than AFCCG and this place will explode when Tebow fans return to talk **** that the 96 million dollar man is no better than Tim was last season

Tebow fans won't have to return. Many long-time Bronco fans are Tebow fans too, despite the ridiculous notions many have to the contrary.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by baja

Every entity has is limit of production, our D had too much demanded of it last season and as a result their effectiveness was diminished you will see the same group preform at a higher level this year with PM running the O. thus improved.

Okay people, on the field performance is not the same thing as roster quality. Come on now.

[rbackfactory80]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...t=21690&page=3

[Bronco Rob]

Yes -- 22

No -- 113

Going 16-0 Baby! -- 9


Voters: 144

[That One Guy]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Okay people, on the field performance is not the same thing as roster quality. Come on now.

On the field performance is the only gauge of roster quality. Are you wanting to gauge off last year's fantasy stats?

[BroncoBen]

I see the Broncos going 10-6 or 11-5, winning the AFC-West and making a push in the playoffs. Anything less would be a disaster...

[g6matty]

we have a brutal schedule but hopefully our division will beat each other up like usual and we can squeak out the AFCW with a 10-6 record. probably wont get a first round bye in the playoffs but im all in with peyton at QB hopefully our guys pick up his system and were high flying and high scoring

[edog24]

Originally Posted by BroncoBen

I see the Broncos going 10-6 or 11-5, winning the AFC-West and making a push in the playoffs. Anything less would be a disaster...

Agreed, and your avy today is spectacular.

[Gort]

i voted "no", but we really don't know what sort of team we'll have this year until all the FA signings are done and the draft is done. then we need a very good camp to get everyone on the same page. this could still end up being 6-10 team this year, with this schedule, even if Manning is healthy. there is still alot more work to be done by the FO.

[maher_tyler]

Originally Posted by WhoIsJohnGalt

i voted "no", but we really don't know what sort of team we'll have this year until all the FA signings are done and the draft is done. then we need a very good camp to get everyone on the same page. this could still end up being 6-10 team this year, with this schedule, even if Manning is healthy. there is still alot more work to be done by the FO.

I don't care...you don't sign HoF PM and accept 8-8 as a success. I expect a division crown and 2nd round of the playoffs at the minimum!!

[GreatBronco16]

It doesn't matter if it's 8, 10, 14 etc. All I've heard from the anti Tebow people, is that Manning made us 100% better. So we should be in the Super Bowl for the next 3-4 years. Anything less than that, then going after Manning was a waste of time and money for the Broncos.

[Shananahan]

Remember when this thread was made and I said it was pointless, because we didn't know what would happen in FA and the draft, and then Peyton Manning became the QB and Tebow was traded?

[Gort]

Originally Posted by maher_tyler

I don't care...you don't sign HoF PM and accept 8-8 as a success. I expect a division crown and 2nd round of the playoffs at the minimum!!

so... exactly what Tebow gave us?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

But is our roster actually better? That's my point. Not whether or not Manning will have a positive effect on them. Right now we have lost our best DT, and added nothing of worth so far in return (leaving Manning out obviously). So again, how is this roster better than last year's?

We just got rid of a QB that completes 47% of his passes and 17 TDs, for one that completes 69%of his passes, thrown for 400 TDs and has won a SB.
Any more stupid questions?

[55CrushEm]

How in the hell could simply matching last year's record be considered a success? Given that we've just had a MAJOR upgrade at the most important position on the field....

Kind of a silly question......

[Dedhed]

8-8 would be nearly complete failure.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

8-8 would be nearly complete failure.

Someone here said he would be perfectly happy with 8 & 8

He should send off for a Russian mail order wife cause he will be happy with what ever he gets

[Rohirrim]

I expect 10 and 6 and the AFC West Title. Anything more than that and I'll be very happy.

Anybody seen our schedule?

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by baja

Someone here said he would be perfectly happy with 8 & 8

He should send off for a Russian mail order wife cause he will be happy with what ever he gets

He'd probably be happy with "Dis Peggy" from those bank commercials.

[GreatBronco16]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

We just got rid of a QB that completes 47% of his passes and 17 TDs, for one that completes 69%of his passes, thrown for 400 TDs and has won a SB.
Any more stupid questions?

Griese had won a super bowl and completed 60+% of his passes. How'd that turn out?

[broncswin]

8-8...wtf...it's not like we just pulled Plummer off the hand ball court and forced his a$$ to throw left handed jump passes...this is"F-U KC and my kneck is made outta steel Manning" we are talking about

11-5 or better

8-8...Fook me!!