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[jhns]

Originally Posted by TonyR

jhns saying he's "right". Funny stuff. I say this:



He attacks me for it, says Elway has nothing to do with who the QB is, and calls me dumb. And then today claims he's "right".

You again prove to be too stupid for message boards. Learn to read.

[CEH]

Maybe we need to see what an offense can do to help out a defense that doesn't consistently go 5-6 straight 3 and outs? How about an offense that actaully extends a 2nd half lead?

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

It's not irrelevant at all. It just proves NO ONE wins a Super Bowl ranked dead last in passing.

Attempt the fewest passes, end with the fewest yards. Not rocket science.

If you look at yards per attempt, you'll see that Tebow edged out Cassel, Ponder, Painter, Bradford, McCoy, and Gabbert.

Or in other words, almost every young prospect in the league. And as an added bonus delivered the best rushing attack in football.

Originally Posted by vancejohnson82

I actually just heard Griese say that we had a top 5 OL....I almost shat myself

Chris Mortenson also said that...as did Simms...and if a QB gets in there that actually throws the ball instead of holding it, maybe they will show it....Orton 9 sacks in 5 games...tebow 33 in the rest....same Oline...different QB..

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

i noticed Spano is quiet today? maybe he realized its now time to insert foot in mouth...IMO Titans have the "95%" chance

Im done guessing until we actually hear. Putting a percentage on something like this is retarded

[montrose]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Of course, there are many things that don't make the stats sheet. How many plays did Tebow make that weren't in the playbook? In other words, how many times did he not read the D, break the pocket after his first read was covered, and then make something up that goes in the books as a completion? How much of the standard playbook was not even available because he can't do a three step drop and a quick out or throw a quick slant over the middle or a button hook? I charted every play in two games and Tebow threw one, quick button hook to Royal over the middle. And that one, Royal had to fall on because it was so low. No YAC. How many drops were from receivers running all over the field trying to make something up? That doesn't show up in the stats sheet.

Tebow is exciting to watch. No doubt. So is a demolition derby.

How do you plan ahead when so many plays are made up on the run?

Sure, I agree. I just think we have enough evidence with these players playing with a different, conventioanl QB to know that they don't suck BECAUSE of the QB. They mostly just suck.

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Attempt the fewest passes, end with the fewest yards. Not rocket science.

If you look at yards per attempt, you'll see that Tebow edged out Cassel, Ponder, Painter, Bradford, McCoy, and Gabbert.

Or in other words, pretty much every young prospect in the league. And as an added bonus delivered the best rushing attack in football.

Yards per Attempt drops with more completions....if a QB goes 2-20 for 100 yards hes got a 50 a completion....not rocket science..

i see you left Dalton and Cam off there...2 rookies

[Garcia Bronco]

You guys are literally arguing nonsense. It's both...it's everything last year from an oline/QB/defense perspective

I still don't understand why you people think Tennesse has some advantage...they don't.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Not well. Unless you see making Tebow throw out of formations he and nobody else have ever thrown out of before was designed to improve his passing.

When Tebow excelled was when he had lots of receivers on the field spread out just like he did in Florida. Unfortunately we only gave that to him when we were behind and desperate.

I've still never had anyone show me a play where Cam Newton was throwing out of a 2WR set.

Unfortunately Fox may not be the best coach for Tebow, I agree with you on this. That being said, they absolutely changed the offense the fit his style of play, this you cannot reasonably deny. As for going with 3+ WRs sets to fit Tebow's style, we shall see if this happens if Manning goes elswhere. Again, I'd love for Tebow to work out, the question is can he work in Fox's system?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

You guys are literally arguing nonsense. It's both...it's everything last year from an oline/QB/defense perspective

I still don't understand why you people think Tennesse has some advantage...they don't.

Agreed. Its just classic managing expectations by being negative

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

You guys are literally arguing nonsense. It's both...it's everything last year from an oline/QB/defense perspective

I still don't understand why you people think Tennesse has some advantage...they don't.

Titans had a better record than denver....better RB....better Oline....better WRs....better Defense..in a division where manning knows everything about the teams in it.....he sees 2 easy wins against the colts....titans also have a lunatic owner willing to give Manning millions upon millions of dollars and shares of ownership..

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Unfortunately Fox may not be the best coach for Tebow, I agree with you on this. That being said, they absolutely changed the offense the fit his style of play, this you cannot reasonably deny. As for going with 3+ WRs sets to fit Tebow's style, we shall see if this happens if Manning goes elswhere. Again, I'd love for Tebow to work out, the question is can he work in Fox's system?

He wont be able to work in any system until he learns to read defenses and not panic when his first option is covered. I love his moxie, i love his skill when hes confident, but he never improved upon the mental side of his game all season. Maybe he's just not incredibly football smart, or maybe its something that comes with time.

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Yards per Attempt drops with more completion....if a QB goes 2-20 for 100 yards hes got a 50 a completion....not rocket science..

"A" stands for Attempt. 2 for 20 for 100 yards would be a 5 ypa.

It's probably the most 'fair' single QB stat there is.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Titans had a better record than denver....better RB....better Oline....better WRs....better Defense..in a division where manning knows everything about the teams in it.....he sees 2 easy wins against the colts....

Better RB yes, if they are better anywhere else, its marginal.

I think Tenn's advantage is that he went to school there and his wife is from there. Thats it. I strongly believe they dont have any real football advantage.

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

"A" stands for Attempt. 2 for 20 for 100 yards would be a 5 ypa.

It's probably the most 'fair' single QB stat there is.

oh i see what you are saying...my bad..

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Titans had a better record than denver....better RB....better Oline....better WRs....better Defense..in a division where manning knows everything about the teams in it.....he sees 2 easy wins against the colts....

That sounds like a bunch of subjective crapola to me. They don't have better anything than us. And what about Peytons perfprmance over the past 10 years says to you that he'd have trouble learning any team anywhere at anytime? None. He's literally beaten everyone. So I find it hard to believe he'll make a life changing decision based on playing the Colts twice a year. Or playing in a dome. Or playing with different personal. Or playing for a dollar amount.

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Better RB yes, if they are better anywhere else, its marginal.

I think Tenn's advantage is that he went to school there and his wife is from there. Thats it. I strongly believe they dont have any real football advantage.

he likes that dirty south murky humid hot air...

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Better RB yes, if they are better anywhere else, its marginal.

I think Tenn's advantage is that he went to school there and his wife is from there. Thats it. I strongly believe they dont have any real football advantage.

I would think the in-laws angle gives Denver the edge, not Tennessee.

[Rohirrim]

Let's see, my beer drinking buddies live in Denver and my in-laws live in Tennessee...

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Better RB yes, if they are better anywhere else, its marginal.

I think Tenn's advantage is that he went to school there and his wife is from there. Thats it. I strongly believe they dont have any real football advantage.

If it's down to that then there is no contest for me. Denver is a mile better place to live than anywhere in Tennesse.

[Rother8]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Chris Mortenson also said that...as did Simms...and if a QB gets in there that actually throws the ball instead of holding it, maybe they will show it....Orton 9 sacks in 5 games...tebow 33 in the rest....same Oline...different QB..

Our o-line's great at run blocking and average to slightly above average at pass blocking imo. That's probably good enough for top 5 but it's not like having the Pats' line back there in terms of pass protection.

Plus, first year starters tend to hold on to the ball a little longer, especially ones touted to be 3-4 year projects.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Let's see, my beer drinking buddies live in Denver and my in-laws live in Tennessee...

The only disadvantage there is when the visit...it's an overnight trip.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Rother8

Our o-line's great at run blocking and average to slightly above average at pass blocking imo. That's probably good enough for top 5 but it's not like having the Pats' line back there in terms of pass protection.

Plus, first year starters tend to hold on to the ball a little longer, especially ones touted to be 3-4 year projects.

Manning gets rid of the ball so quick that'll make our o-line seem like the best in the league. Manning protects the line with his study and preperation.

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

That sounds like a bunch of subjective crapola to me. They don't have better anything than us. And what about Peytons perfprmance over the past 10 years says to you that he'd have trouble learning any team anywhere at anytime? None. He's literally beaten everyone. So I find it hard to believe he'll make a life changing decision based on playing the Colts twice a year. Or playing in a dome. Or playing with different personal. Or playing for a dollar amount.

Tenn Den
Points per game 21st 25th
Total yards game 17th 23rd
Rush yards game 31st 1st
pass yards game 12th 31st

Defense
Points per game 8th 24th
total yards game 18th 20th
rush yards game 24th 22nd
pass yards game 14th 18th

titans lead in 6 of 8 catagories.....clearly not subjective.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

.titans also have a lunatic owner willing to give Manning millions upon millions of dollars and shares of ownership..

The tried and true OMane method of repeating something enough times, maybe people will eventually believe it.