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Old 03-12-2012, 02:57 PM   #2251
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It was 5 sacks in the first game? So that means Orton only got sacked 4 times in the following 4 games.

Ya that O line really sucks
Yeah, any objective observer would look at a game like that and conclude the O-Line is stellar. Of course, once teams figured out KO was leading the league in INTs, they probably figured sacking him did more harm than good.

Anyway, if you look at common games (usually divisional) between 2010 Orton and 2011 Tebow, you'll see Tebow had fewer sacks. Although fewer attempts as well.

Mostly though you just need to watch the games to gauge the quality of our O-Line's pass protection. It is god awful.
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Old 03-12-2012, 02:59 PM   #2252
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yeah 9 sacks on orton vs 33 for tebow.
Just magnifies who holds onto the ball too long. That and the shotgun design runs. How many of tebows rushes that didn't make the line of scrimmage result in a sack?
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Old 03-12-2012, 02:59 PM   #2253
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Yeah, any objective observer would look at a game like that and conclude the O-Line is stellar. Of course, once teams figured out KO was leading the league in INTs, they probably figured sacking him did more harm than good.

Anyway, if you look at common games (usually divisional) between 2010 Orton and 2011 Tebow, you'll see Tebow had fewer sacks. Although fewer attempts as well.

Mostly though you just need to watch the games to gauge the quality of our O-Line's pass protection. It is god awful.
yeah,holding onto the ball for 5 minutes can make an oline look bad.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:01 PM   #2254
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Yeah, any objective observer would look at a game like that and conclude the O-Line is stellar. Of course, once teams figured out KO was leading the league in INTs, they probably figured sacking him did more harm than good.

Anyway, if you look at common games (usually divisional) between 2010 Orton and 2011 Tebow, you'll see Tebow had fewer sacks. Although fewer attempts as well.

Mostly though you just need to watch the games to gauge the quality of our O-Line's pass protection. It is god awful.
I don't see anything wrong with Kuper. Clady still performs at a high level. Franklin is learning. The other 2? Those are McDamits henchmen. We could do without.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:19 PM   #2255
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I don't see anything wrong with Kuper. Clady still performs at a high level. Franklin is learning. The other 2? Those are McDamits henchmen. We could do without.

A good read on the topic (also about Denver's **** offensive scheme)

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...tection-basics

Oh and McCoy was also McDamit's guy, Just FTR.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:43 PM   #2256
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Oh and McCoy was also McDamit's guy, Just FTR.
So is Tebow.....just saying.
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:05 PM   #2257
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So did we get him yet?
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:51 PM   #2258
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So did we get him yet?
I know right lol
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Old 03-12-2012, 05:11 PM   #2259
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Anyone get a chance to hear the stokley interview today with Alfred Williams?
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It does show how quickly things can change since just last season, most felt the Broncos would win only 5-6 games and they started 1-4 and changed QB's, still most did not see an 8 win team, much less making the playoffs and winning a playoff game. Now we get the Broncos want to sign Manning since they feel, as do some fans apparently, this team is not just a repeat playoff type of team, but a Super Bowl team all of a sudden. Even with a healthy 36 year old QB no matter how good, one has to wonder about that one. This roster is as good as the roster Elway had when he was 36? But wasn't long ago people were set on the Broncos drafting Luck and now, we have close to a Super Bowl roster. A team that was average at best, and horrible in others, in stats on offense and on defense except for running the ball, which would have to happen again in a new offense and different QB if Manning signs and likely less running plays to boot.
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Ironic as hell, while everybody was clamoring for "Suck for Luck", and Tebow plays us right out of that, only to find out Manning taking the helm in 2012.

God, I hope
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yeah 9 sacks on orton vs 33 for tebow.
1-4 with Orton.

7-4 with Tebow.

Whatever's clever though.


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1-4 with Orton.

7-4 with Tebow.

Whatever's clever though.




Tebows Wins:

vs. 6-10 Miami
vs. 8-8 Oakland
vs. 7-9 K.C.
vs. 8-8 NY Jets
vs. 8-8 San Diego
vs. 3-13 Minnesota
vs. 8-8 Chicago

He didn't have a win in the regular season vs. a winning team.

And I love how Denvers wins are solely Tims wins. Had nothing to do with the running game or the defense.
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Tebows Wins:

vs. 6-10 Miami
vs. 8-8 Oakland
vs. 7-9 K.C.
vs. 8-8 NY Jets
vs. 8-8 San Diego
vs. 3-13 Minnesota
vs. 8-8 Chicago

He didn't have a win in the regular season vs. a winning team.

And I love how Denvers wins are solely Tims wins. Had nothing to do with the running game or the defense.

Ah. I see. Wins only matter when you beat winning teams, and not who you play on the schedule.

Thanks for the clarification. Thank God it's college football.

And I love how people think we win 9 games this year without Tebow.

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Tebows Wins:

vs. 6-10 Miami
vs. 8-8 Oakland
vs. 7-9 K.C.
vs. 8-8 NY Jets
vs. 8-8 San Diego
vs. 3-13 Minnesota
vs. 8-8 Chicago

He didn't have a win in the regular season vs. a winning team.

And I love how Denvers wins are solely Tims wins. Had nothing to do with the running game or the defense.
But this team is a Peyton Manning away from a Super Bowl? We can't have it both ways no matter how hard we try.
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Ah. I see. Wins only matter when you beat winning teams, and not who you play on the schedule.

Thanks for the clarification. Thank God it's college football.

And I love how people think we win 9 games this year without Tebow.


Not only did Tebow not beat a team with a winning record, he performed poorly in most of the games he played in. Thankfully the teams Denver played against had terrible offenses that allowed Denver's defense to keep things close.

Shouldn't an NFL quarterback be able to complete 50% of his passes?
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But this team is a Peyton Manning away from a Super Bowl? We can't have it both ways no matter how hard we try.
Having Manning would mean that Denver would have a fighting chance against literally any team in the league....not just the bad to average teams Denver beat last year.
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Having Manning would mean that Denver would have a fighting chance against literally any team in the league....not just the bad to average teams Denver beat last year.
Fighting chance? Ah. Big difference than Super Bowl ready.
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Fighting chance? Ah. Big difference than Super Bowl ready.
Who said Super Bowl ready?


Get Manning....get through a piss poor division and get in the playoffs. Then see what happens.
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Who said Super Bowl ready?


Get Manning....get through a piss poor division and get in the playoffs. Then see what happens.
You don't sign Peyton Manning at this stage of his career to simply "give yourself a fighting chance" against the great teams. Hopefully the Broncos did not present that kind of argument to Manning when he visited.
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Not only did Tebow not beat a team with a winning record, he performed poorly in most of the games he played in. Thankfully the teams Denver played against had terrible offenses that allowed Denver's defense to keep things close.

Shouldn't an NFL quarterback be able to complete 50% of his passes?

Yet he won most of his starts...odd, really. If only that defense and ST showed up the first 5 games of the year, we could have had the "pretty passer" leading the team and the wins would matter more.


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You don't sign Peyton Manning at this stage of his career to simply "give yourself a fighting chance" against the great teams. Hopefully the Broncos did not present that kind of argument to Manning when he visited.
Actually....you do.


With Tebow (who is a project and a half) Denver is very average. With Manning and the players that would come to Denver because Manning is here, Denver becomes an instant legit contender.
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Yet he won most of his starts...odd, really. If only that defense and ST showed up the first 5 games of the year, we could have had the "pretty passer" leading the team and the wins would matter more.


Denver in those first 5 games played 3 teams with winning records, 2 of which were playoff teams.

I'm guessing if Manning would have played instead of Orton, Denver would have won some of those games....maybe all of them except GB.
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Denver in those first 5 games played 3 teams with winning records, 2 of which were playoff teams.

I'm guessing if Manning would have played instead of Orton, Denver would have won some of those games....maybe all of them except GB.

Good thing Manning plays MLB, DT and CB then. We would have gone 16-0...


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Actually....you do.


With Tebow (who is a project and a half) Denver is very average. With Manning and the players that would come to Denver because Manning is here, Denver becomes an instant legit contender.
No, you don't. You tell him we can build a serious contender with our cap room with some of the players from the Colts, assuming they are healthy of course. A fighting chance is what a team like the Chiefs would say.
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