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Old 03-12-2012, 05:57 PM   #2251
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Denver in those first 5 games played 3 teams with winning records, 2 of which were playoff teams.

I'm guessing if Manning would have played instead of Orton, Denver would have won some of those games....maybe all of them except GB.

Good thing Manning plays MLB, DT and CB then. We would have gone 16-0...


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Old 03-12-2012, 05:57 PM   #2252
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Actually....you do.


With Tebow (who is a project and a half) Denver is very average. With Manning and the players that would come to Denver because Manning is here, Denver becomes an instant legit contender.
No, you don't. You tell him we can build a serious contender with our cap room with some of the players from the Colts, assuming they are healthy of course. A fighting chance is what a team like the Chiefs would say.
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No, you don't. You tell him we can build a serious contender with our cap room with some of the players from the Colts, assuming they are healthy of course. A fighting chance is what a team like the Chiefs would say.
Whatever....we basically said the same thing.
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Good thing Manning plays MLB, DT and CB then. We would have gone 16-0...


....damn....then he'd really hurt his neck.
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:25 PM   #2255
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The word I hear tonight from one league exec is he thinks Manning, Wayne and Clark all might be going to Denver
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:26 PM   #2256
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Anyone who is arguing that we would be better off from a win/loss standpoint with Tebow over Manning needs a reality check. That just isn't true.

Now if you want to argue that you want to develop Tebow, save the cap room, and make a run at a title in 3 years when Tebow has a better grasp of the NFL. Well you can argue for that. I do have bad news though. We are probably only going to win 4 to 6 games next year with Tebow at QB and that schedule and he will be jettisoned out of here regardless by John.

This is a lose/lose situation for Tebow. Look at the schedule. The cards are stacked against us next year with Tim.
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:27 PM   #2257
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:28 PM   #2258
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:29 PM   #2259
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Anyone who is arguing that we would be better off from a win/loss standpoint with Tebow over Manning needs a reality check. That just isn't true.

Now if you want to argue that you want to develop Tebow, save the cap room, and make a run at a title in 3 years when Tebow has a better grasp of the NFL. Well you can argue for that. I do have bad news though. We are probably only going to win 4 to 6 games next year with Tebow at QB and that schedule and he will be jettisoned out of here regardless by John.

This is a lose/lose situation for Tebow. Look at the schedule. The cards are stacked against us next year with Tim.
Never sweat the schedule months in advance. Everything changes once the season starts to roll.
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The word I hear tonight from one league exec is he thinks Manning, Wayne and Clark all might be going to Denver
I always figured they were a packaged deal. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they all sign the same amount of years contract. Probably 3 to 5 year deals.

I gotta say we are going to look very improved on Offense if this happens. With Fox and Del Rio working the D we should be a very good team.

I think we go DT in round 1 and possibly DB in RD 2 and we have the makings of a very good defense with quality depth. Ty Warren coming back could be a huge help on that DL rotation with Bunkley also. (Assuming he is resigned.)

Next up at MLB. Dan O'Connor come on down.
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Never sweat the schedule months in advance. Everything changes once the season starts to roll.
It would take another act of god for us to go 8-8. I'm talking multiple teams losing their starting QB's against us to get us there.

Timmy is going to have to own the AFC West to get us to 8-8.
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:33 PM   #2262
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I always figured they were a packaged deal. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they all sign the same amount of years contract. Probably 3 to 5 year deals.

I gotta say we are going to look very improved on Offense if this happens. With Fox and Del Rio working the D we should be a very good team.

I think we go DT in round 1 and possibly DB in RD 2 and we have the makings of a very good defense with quality depth. Ty Warren coming back could be a huge help on that DL rotation with Bunkley also. (Assuming he is resigned.)

Next up at MLB. Dan O'Connor come on down.
If this happens expect Dawkins and a few other veterans to step forward to make one huge push for a last ring or two, good point on Warren.
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Anyone who is arguing that we would be better off from a win/loss standpoint with Tebow over Manning needs a reality check. That just isn't true.

Now if you want to argue that you want to develop Tebow, save the cap room, and make a run at a title in 3 years when Tebow has a better grasp of the NFL. Well you can argue for that. I do have bad news though. We are probably only going to win 4 to 6 games next year with Tebow at QB and that schedule and he will be jettisoned out of here regardless by John.

This is a lose/lose situation for Tebow. Look at the schedule. The cards are stacked against us next year with Tim.
It's lose lose for the Broncos fans.. you are right that Tebow leaving is probably the best thing for him.. it didn't have to be that way though.. if the fanbase didn't let Elway screw it up it wouldn't be screwed up. This whole thing went to crap when he hired Fox. Fox never had a prayer of adapting to Tebow and Elway knew it...
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Great we're back to posting anonymous twitter leads about what people who won't make any decisions think.
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It would take another act of god for us to go 8-8. I'm talking multiple teams losing their starting QB's against us to get us there.

Timmy is going to have to own the AFC West to get us to 8-8.
You're also assuming that Tebow will not have improved at all from last season to the next. He will get better this offseason, with full camps and lots of time to train on things.
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Never sweat the schedule months in advance. Everything changes once the season starts to roll.
Just looked at that schedule again and with Timmy I think the over/under on wins is going to be 5 with a high likely hood on the under.

With Peyton/Wayne/Clark the over/under is probably 9. That's how rough that schedule is.

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Not to be a downer but since I'm a spurs fan thought id throw this out there. TJ ford had spinal fusion surgery a few years back. Got a stinger in the March 7th game and abruptly retired before their game tonight.
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I'm thinking Manning is demanding that whatever team he goes to signs, at the very least, Reggie Wayne.

There's no room for Wayne in KC with Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin. At least from Pioli's point of view, I'm sure.

If I have a chance at Peyton Manning I tell Steve Breaston to take a hike. But Pioli is not going to let a player run the show like that.
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You're also assuming that Tebow will not have improved at all from last season to the next. He will get better this offseason, with full camps and lots of time to train on things.
Say Tebow improves by 15 percent on his passing (reasonable). That would mean he completes about 53 to 55 percent of his passes. I still don't think that will be enough to sustain drives or score enough points to beat alot of teams on that schedule.

Like I have stated. He is going to have to own the AFC West. Outside of Cleveland we will be under dogs in the rest of those out of division games.
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It would take another act of god for us to go 8-8. I'm talking multiple teams losing their starting QB's against us to get us there.

Timmy is going to have to own the AFC West to get us to 8-8.

Cleveland Browns (4-12)
Houston Texans (10-6)
New Orleans Saints (13-3)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12
Baltimore Ravens (12-4)
Atlanta Falcons (10-6)
Carolina Panthers (6-10)

These are the 7 games we have that aren't teams we played last year. With a full offseason and some improvement, it's pretty easy to find at least 4 wins out of 7. NO is tough, but so was GB. Baltimore is tough, but so was Detroit. Outside of those two games I don't see any to be all that scared about.
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Not to be a downer but since I'm a spurs fan thought id throw this out there. TJ ford had spinal fusion surgery a few years back. Got a stinger in the March 7th game and abruptly retired before their game tonight.
At least he made it a few more years. I think John is just hoping for 3 more years out of Peyton.
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If the Broncos sign Manning, their main objective will be to go after the Super Bowl. Developing Tebow will not be important and he will not grow as a QB taking minimal snaps in camp and holding a clipboard for 2-3 more years. That has happened with Tebow since he's been a Bronco and not much development has occurred doing that.
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I'm thinking Manning is demanding that whatever team he goes to signs, at the very least, Reggie Wayne.

There's no room for Wayne in KC with Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin. At least from Pioli's point of view, I'm sure.

If I have a chance at Peyton Manning I tell Steve Breaston to take a hike. But Pioli is not going to let a player run the show like that.
You guys never had a chance because Pioli is a douche!!
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At least he made it a few more years. I think John is just hoping for 3 more years out of Peyton.
It's also basketball. Not football. Behind an O-Line that gives up lots of sacks. And plays the Saints this year... if you know what I mean.
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You guys never had a chance because Pioli is a douche!!
And it's KC and the Chiefs. Manning isn't desperate.
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