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Old 03-08-2012, 10:20 PM   #1176
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Nothing has or will ever mean as much to the fans as Super Bowl 32. If Tebow hoists it someday it won't mean as much as that first one. Not even the second one meant as much as the first one...so whats your point? Who has said that a SB with Manning will mean as much or more than a SB with Elway?
Well if you go back and read the thread, my whole premise was that Peyton hoisting the trophy would feel kinda cheap compared to when Elway did it.

Which is the point where everyone lost their minds.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:21 PM   #1177
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Ummm, yes?

Sorry if I like winning. Sorry if I like watching one of the greatest of all time throw the ball.

You're also assuming that Tebow is a guy that will automatically make us contend for the next ten years. There's no evidence that he is, and so you're flipping the coin. I'd rather flip it with Manning.

If you asked me in 1997 if Denver winning a superbowl in back to back years would lead to what Denver has been since 1998 and would I be ok with it, I would have said yes.

Having been through that decade, I'm more hesitant to jump on it. I want Denver to be competitive long term. Not one and done.

As I said in another thread, I'd be fine with Manning here short term if it meant he mentors Tebow. Tebow gets traded and my opinion of the scenario completely changes.

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Old 03-08-2012, 10:21 PM   #1178
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Yeah yeah. In this dream of yours, when Bowlen raises the trophy and says "This one's for Peyton!" Do your eyes well up? Or do you just start sobbing.
And you're content watching an offense thats less attractive and less entertaining than watching a monkey riding a dog.

Besides, that isn't what will happen. Elway already said he's gonna hoist that trophy and say "This one's for Pat!"
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:22 PM   #1179
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Says the guy who'd be proud seeing Peyton frickin Manning hoisting a trophy in the Orange and Blue.
Nowhere do I see anything about Elway in this post.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:24 PM   #1180
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And you're content watching an offense thats less attractive and less entertaining than watching a monkey riding a dog.
See, Elway had those days in his career too. You want to skip all that and paper over growing a long-term QB by renting one.

I don't think it will work. But if we got lucky and it did, it wouldn't be the same.
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It would depend on the circumstance. For fans born in the mid 90's on, it would. For the rest of us, it would be sweet, but not 1997 sweet.

I don't give a **** about what those punk ass kids think.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:25 PM   #1182
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I want Denver to be competitive long term. Not one and done.
and I want my balls licked by Jessica Alba

if you can find the button that says "super bowl contenders for the next ten years," then go ahead and hit it, but last time I checked you get one or two of those per decade.

and it's not like the Broncos were awful after Elway retired anyway. Shanahan had two losing seasons during his post Elway years, and there were two teams that had as legitimate a shot at winning the super bowl as you can have without a QB like, ohh, I don't know, Peyton Manning
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Nowhere do I see anything about Elway in this post.
That wasn't the first post.
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See, Elway had those days in his career too. You want to skip all that and paper over growing a long-term QB by renting one.

I don't think it will work. But if we got lucky and it did, it wouldn't be the same.
We don't have a long term QB. We'll grab one in the draft and when the Golden Manning in Orange in Blue era ends, we'll stick him in there and hope for the best. Plenty of nice prospects coming out.
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How can you anyone deny that a healthy Peyton Manning does not improve the entire offense?

I cannot say the same about Tebow.
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We don't have a long term QB. We'll grab one in the draft and when the Golden Manning in Orange in Blue era ends, we'll stick him in there and hope for the best. Plenty of nice prospects coming out.
This.

Peyton Manning gives us 3 years to contend and yet find a QB of the Future. Best case scenario, we can get a QB prospect going into the third year of the contract and have Manning tutor him.
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How can you anyone deny that a healthy Peyton Manning does not improve the entire offense?

I cannot say the same about Tebow.
I've said that repeatedly. But he's not leading this team to a title. And he's only got a couple of years, if even that.

Meanwhile we just won our first playoff game with a QB in his first season's worth of games.

You're never going to develop a QB if every time you bring a new kid in you say "But we could improve on this rook who's never played by renting this old guy over here"

As I've said before, Aaron Rodgers was a step down from Brett Favre his first year. But for long term success, eventually every team has to go through that difficult stretch.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:32 PM   #1189
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This.

Peyton Manning gives us 3 years to contend and yet find a QB of the Future. Best case scenario, we can get a QB prospect going into the third year of the contract and have Manning tutor him.
And this is our issue in a Nutshell.

Teebhatas vs Teeb supporters. I think Tebow could be something special. You think he doesn't belong.

That's all it comes down to.
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and I want my balls licked by Jessica Alba

if you can find the button that says "super bowl contenders for the next ten years," then go ahead and hit it, but last time I checked you get one or two of those per decade.

and it's not like the Broncos were awful after Elway retired anyway. Shanahan had two losing seasons during his post Elway years, and there were two teams that had as legitimate a shot at winning the super bowl as you can have without a QB like, ohh, I don't know, Peyton Manning

Good enough to be average. Average after having a team in 5 superbowls over 13 years is awful. You get used to a certain level of excellence. You cannot say 1999-2011 was the same as 1983 to 1998.

I do think Tebow is the long term guy. He is raw and needs work. If Manning comes in for 2 or 3 seasons, and Tebow stays that's the best possible scenario in my opinion. It helps the franchise now and long term.

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How can you anyone deny that a healthy Peyton Manning does not improve the entire offense?

I cannot say the same about Tebow.
And Orton gives the Broncos the best chance to win over Tebow.. and Tebow can never beat the Steelers or Philip Rivers or the Jets D etc etc etc...

And BigBen could never win more championships than Manning...
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And this is our issue in a Nutshell.

Teebhatas vs Teeb supporters. I think Tebow could be something special. You think he doesn't belong.

That's all it comes down to.
I KNOW Manning is better, which is why I want him.

This is not Colt McCoy we're talking about, it is Peyton Manning.
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Good enough to be average. Average after having a team in 5 superbowls over 13 years is awful. You get used to a certain level of excellence. You cannot say 1999-2011 was the same as 1983 to 1998.

I do think Tebow is the long term guy. He is raw and needs work. If Manning comes in for 2 or 3 seasons, and Tebow stays that's the best possible scenario in my opinion. It helps the franchise now and long term.

I just don't see how the whole Manning/Tebow thing could work out though.
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**** the two of use if the Broncos get Manning and win a Super Bowl its party time in Downtown denver You whores
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I KNOW Manning is better, which is why I want him.

This is not Colt McCoy we're talking about, it is Peyton Manning.
It's 36 year old Peyton Manning. Who still isn't fully healed and may never be. Who's won 1 title in 14 years.

You want to trade our promising 24 year old prospect for a guy who's likely got a year or two left, and won a single title in 14 years. With a team that was built just for him over many years.
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I just don't see how the whole Manning/Tebow thing could work out though.

Tebow's contract is franchise friendly for a first round QB. He wants to be the guy, but he needs polish as a passer. Manning is a great passer. The only issue I see is of personality and how the two interact. I do not see Tebow being the guy that pouts or makes fun of Manning when he does wind sprints, do you?

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It's 36 year old Peyton Manning. Who still isn't fully healed and may never be. Who's won 1 title in 14 years.

You want to trade our promising 24 year old prospect for a guy who's likely got a year or two left, and won a single title in 14 years. With a team that was built just for him over many years.
Just stop please JUST STOP
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:40 PM   #1198
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I KNOW Manning is better, which is why I want him.

This is not Colt McCoy we're talking about, it is Peyton Manning.
Curious how the Brown's came out and said they are not interested in Manning.
Peyton wouldn't want to go where QBs go and suck anyway, but it's crazy for the Brown's not to pursue him. They must have a real aggressive plan to either get Flynn or Griffin.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:41 PM   #1199
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Tebow's contract is franchise friendly for a first round QB. He wants to be the guy, but he needs polish as a passer. Manning is a great passer. The only issue I see is of personality and how the two interact. I do not see Tebow being the guy that pouts or makes fun of Manning when he does wind sprints, do you?

No. I don't think it'd be Tebow. I just think if the FO was willing to go so far as to bet the farm on Manning, they'd be crazy enough to deal Tebow.
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Just stop please JUST STOP
You're right. Peyton Manning is really only 29 and completely healthy. No risk whatsoever.

You just want Tebow gone. That's all it's about.
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