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Old 03-08-2012, 07:39 PM   #951
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I think this is what the Broncos were banking on.. it's a shame... I really think the excuse of signing Manning would have been best for both parties.. just horrible for the Broncos fans.

They would have to deal with the mess left over when they see how bad the team really is. Then Peyton retires and the Broncos have to rebuild all over again..
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I think this is what the Broncos were banking on.. it's a shame... I really think the excuse of signing Manning would have been best for both parties.. just horrible for the Broncos fans.

They would have to deal with the mess left over when they see how bad the team really is. Then Peyton retires and the Broncos have to rebuild all over again..
Manning at 35 and coming off neck injuries is going to want to go to a team that can contend now, not in a couple years. Somehow the Broncos can build this great team in free agency and the draft this offseason, but can't if Tebow is the QB. Whatever.
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I don't know why AZ wouldn't be his first choice. I guess the NFC does have better teams right now though.
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I don't know why AZ wouldn't be his first choice. I guess the NFC does have better teams right now though.
Playing with Fitz, and not worrying about weather, for starters....
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We did...until Tebow played us out of position of drafting either of them. Keep hating buddy. If we are trading to the top of the draft we are going for #1. If we have to mortgage the farm that's the only logical choice.
Yeah that is why John Elway and Xanders went to watch the OU/Baylor game right after Denver 4th win in 5 games.

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Yes.. it was a regular Algonquin Roundtable before...
The funny thing is that while some may miss Tebow, I doubt any one will miss you.
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Manning at 35 and coming off neck injuries is going to want to go to a team that can contend now, not in a couple years. Somehow the Broncos can build this great team in free agency and the draft this offseason, but can't if Tebow is the QB. Whatever.
Manning would draw people here. No?
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Manning would draw people here. No?
So he drew all that great talent to the Colts to be able to win even without him last season? Doesn't look like it.
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Yeah that is why John Elway and Xanders went to watch the OU/Baylor game right after Denver 4th win in 5 games.

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Yeah...we were 5-5 at that time...still bottom pickers. What was the story once we captured the west lead...and even better playoff win We are out of trading range. Sorry...that's just the way it is. Keep living in denial.
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So he drew all that great talent to the Colts to be able to win even without him last season? Doesn't look like it.
Well to be fair, they didn't have Willis McGahee or Eric Decker either.
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Based on the genius speculation on the internets, Arizona seems like a more likely scenario than Denver.

Arizona: has Larry Fitzgerald and a stronger offense (other than QB), a dome, better weather, a weaker division to win and coach Peyton seems to approve of.

Denver has a nasty history of eating it's QBs alive and Tebow is a huge media storm right now and I doubt Peyton would want that anymore than he would want to deal with the crap to come if he went to NYC. Peyton from a fan perspective is the only QB in general anyone would be okay with benching Tim for so he could mentor him, but the price tag and the things Peyton will want are unlikely to work but hey if Peyton loves Elway that much I am sure he'd do it just for the chance to work with inexperienced receivers and a beat up o-line in an open air stadium and cold weather.

He's not coming here. I would bank on it. If we actually do manage to get Peyton here I will take whatever repercussions that Hotrod makes up a poll for (within reason, no animals, dead things or illegal things).
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Went to Longhorn Steakhouse today for lunch, and was wearing Broncos hoodie....one of the other patrons walks up and says "God I hope your team doesn't sign Manning"

I'm figuring he's gotta be a non-bronco fan, so I ask him "why?" Thinking he'll say he wants his team to sign him.

He says "Tebow, man...that's my boy!"

Turns out I was right.....he's no Broncos fan.
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I was lurking over at the broncos.com forums, and I happened to read a very well written post about the difference between picking us or the dolphins.

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Let's breakdown Miami and Denver at this time.

Denver will need a QB no matter what. You have Tebow and Weber, that's all. Miami has Matt Moore who played respectively. The problem is Denver must get another QB, Miami does not. If they get Manning, they are all in. Manning will not be going to any team to "groom" some other QB. He may help in some aspects but he is there to win a ring. So anyone thinking Manning will groom some other QB forget it. Its all or nothing with Manning.

Next point, Miami has the #8 pick, Denver 26th (I forget but around here). Miami will not be using that for a QB, most likely a lineman to add with Poucney and Long who is one of the best LTs in the game. Add Reggie Wayne with Marshall, Bess, Reggie Bush and Fasano and you have one hell of an offense. They have much better offensive weapons than we do. Let's not forget, Miami still finished the season with the 6th ranked defense while we had the 24th ranked defense. They have better pieces overall to work with.

I think Miami is sill especially when they could get Flynn and maybe get Tannenhill to groom for a few years (I am not high on the guy but he might be a good QB with a few years learning). If Flynn works out, they have a solid QB with an up and coming guy.

Manning is an all or nothing move that is similar to the Vikings situation with Farve. Look where that team is now. Do we want to go that route?

I know all of us want the Broncos to win badly but I think this would set us back to what was a great start to a rebuilding process. I don't think we will be great this year but we can add youth and a great foundation. If Tebow is garbage, you have a built up team primed to win for years on in if we grab a solid QB, see the Jets with Sanchez on this one.

Bottom line is if Manning comes here, its an all or nothing, win now atmosphere. If this move bombs in any way, we just set us back another year or so. Denver will need to grab pieces through FA and the draft because Manning won't be here to rebuild a team. We will need immediate starters. It can work but the backlash will be even greater if we don't get to an AFC championship or SB. I believe what this front office is doing and I applaud their efforts. No, it won't be this year but I think next year and years after this team will be the ones to talk about in the AFC. Maybe I am being overconfident but this team is on the right path without Manning.

Also, he didn't play for a year and has been doing alot of rehab. Does anyone think he will come out the same as he was a few years ago? It would take at best half a season to get him back in form. Its not a knock on Peyton as I would think all QBs would have this issue. See Brady after he broke his leg. He was good but not like he was before or even now. He struggled alot more than people remember and this was with a team Matt Cassel won with.

This team is going in the right direction, let's not screw it up now. In two years this team will be a force
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Well, if he's not going to take Denver to a Super Bowl in 3 years, remind me why he should be signed again?
Because he increases the chances of Broncos winning a title. Everyone keeps blasting his 9-10 playoff record and his two SB appearances in 14 seasons......completely disregarding he's carried his team to playoffs almost every year.....

Now how many teams have won a SB without making the playoffs first?
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Based on the genius speculation on the internets, Arizona seems like a more likely scenario than Denver.

Arizona: has Larry Fitzgerald and a stronger offense (other than QB), a dome, better weather, a weaker division to win and coach Peyton seems to approve of.

Denver has a nasty history of eating it's QBs alive and Tebow is a huge media storm right now and I doubt Peyton would want that anymore than he would want to deal with the crap to come if he went to NYC. Peyton from a fan perspective is the only QB in general anyone would be okay with benching Tim for so he could mentor him, but the price tag and the things Peyton will want are unlikely to work but hey if Peyton loves Elway that much I am sure he'd do it just for the chance to work with inexperienced receivers and a beat up o-line in an open air stadium and cold weather.

He's not coming here. I would bank on it. If we actually do manage to get Peyton here I will take whatever repercussions that Hotrod makes up a poll for (within reason, no animals, dead things or illegal things).
Yep, very true. I see more fans trying to talk themselves into Manning signing being a great idea, but it just makes little sense for Manning to sign with the Broncos other than because they offered the most money, which I doubt happens either anyway.
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Yeah...we were 5-5 at that time...still bottom pickers. What was the story once we captured the west lead...and even better playoff win We are out of trading range. Sorry...that's just the way it is. Keep living in denial.
There was 15 teams with the same or worse record then us at that time.
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Brees, Rodgers, and Manning laugh at that.
I read the post you responded to as sarcastic and wasn't sure based on your response if you got that Winston was in fact being facetious about Peyton not going to Arizona. I personally think Manning has a good chance to go there, but who the hell knows. At this point, maybe he will go be Aaron Rodgers back up in Green bay (note this is not serious....if he was going to be anyone's water boy it would clearly be Tom Brady's).
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Because he increases the chances of Broncos winning a title. Everyone keeps blasting his 9-10 playoff record and his two SB appearances in 14 seasons......completely disregarding he's carried his team to playoffs almo s5 t every year.....

Now how many teams have won a SB without making the playoffs first?
crack baby...

look at his postseason stats during his superbowl year.

He got carried by his defense.....
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Based on the genius speculation on the internets, Arizona seems like a more likely scenario than Denver.

Arizona: has Larry Fitzgerald and a stronger offense (other than QB), a dome, better weather, a weaker division to win and coach Peyton seems to approve of.

Denver has a nasty history of eating it's QBs alive and Tebow is a huge media storm right now and I doubt Peyton would want that anymore than he would want to deal with the crap to come if he went to NYC. Peyton from a fan perspective is the only QB in general anyone would be okay with benching Tim for so he could mentor him, but the price tag and the things Peyton will want are unlikely to work but hey if Peyton loves Elway that much I am sure he'd do it just for the chance to work with inexperienced receivers and a beat up o-line in an open air stadium and cold weather.

He's not coming here. I would bank on it. If we actually do manage to get Peyton here I will take whatever repercussions that Hotrod makes up a poll for (within reason, no animals, dead things or illegal things).
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Because he increases the chances of Broncos winning a title. Everyone keeps blasting his 9-10 playoff record and his two SB appearances in 14 seasons......completely disregarding he's carried his team to playoffs almo s5 t every year.....

Now how many teams have won a SB without making the playoffs first?
And the Broncos currently have more talent than those Colt teams? Manning can draw so much talent to the Broncos even though it doesn't seem like that was the case with the Colts? Again, I see more fantasy stuff happening here.
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Because he increases the chances of Broncos winning a title. Everyone keeps blasting his 9-10 playoff record and his two SB appearances in 14 seasons......completely disregarding he's carried his team to playoffs almo s5 t every year.....

Now how many teams have won a SB without making the playoffs first?
I'm not even taking his playoff record into account. If you're rolling the dice on an injury risk, 35 yeard old QB, anything less than hardware makes this a failure, especially when you still have an unknown factor in Tebow.

There have been many QB's to not win on teams more talented than this, but how many did win on teams that were less talented?
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true dat, but I still don't see Denver as holding much appeal to Peyton himself. I don't get it because Denver is awesome, but hey, dude has a peanut head so who knows what is going on in that noggin.
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I read the post you responded to as sarcastic and wasn't sure based on your response if you got that Winston was in fact being facetious about Peyton not going to Arizona. I personally think Manning has a good chance to go there, but who the hell knows. At this point, maybe he will go be Aaron Rodgers back up in Green bay (note this is not serious....if he was going to be anyone's water boy it would clearly be Tom Brady's).
No, I think AZ should be one of his top three choices, but I think his road to the SB is way harder in the NFC then it is the AFC. Kind of like I think his road to the playoffs are easier in the AFC West then AFC East.

I think his list should look like Houston, SF, and AZ. For whatever reason it is Mia, Denver and I forget the third team lol.
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