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Old 03-08-2012, 06:45 PM   #901
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Elway really doesn't have much tact or guile, does he? it's been one misstep after another from him since he got the job. maybe Bowlen ought to look up Tommy Maddox and see if he'd be interested in being groomed for a FO job...

No, he's rather bush league when it comes to the PR and press relations. Would have been better here to hedge your bets in case it doesn't work out.
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Tebow won't. But this is the beginning of the end. Not because they went after Manning. But because they aggressively leaked that Tebow would be dumped if they got Manning.
I agree 100%. I don't get why other posters can't see it. As I said before I don't think the FO cares what is leaked about Tebow. We will see how much they offer Manning. If it's what we think it will be then we all know how they really feel.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:46 PM   #903
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No, he's rather bush league when it comes to the PR and press relations. Would have been better here to hedge your bets in case it doesn't work out.
It's pretty obvious he doesn't care.
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You should have stayed a non active poster. You ignore the fact that Denver was being linked as one of the teams talking to the Rams for the number two pick. Elway doesn't want Tebow I really don't get why you don't understand that.
Please show me a link that displays actual quotes from the Broncos and not a talk show host like Spanos or the media. Shefter has been wrong, Peter King has been wrong (both saying the Broncos where not going to trade Cutler, even though Cutler not calling Bowlen had happened).

You believe in everything they feed you... when actually most of the time the ones creating or leaking the rumors is the camp of the beneficiary.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:50 PM   #905
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It seems they forget this team finished 1-4, too.
After going 7 of 8.. knocking a guy for going 1 of 4 after going 7 of 8 is complete lunacy...
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:50 PM   #906
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what does Tebow have that Cam doesn't?
Nothing.
What does Cam have that Tebow doesn't?
He is a way way better pocket passer than Tebow is and Cam was a rookie last year, oh yeah he broke all of Manning's rookie records as well.
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Please show me a link that displays actual quotes from the Broncos and not a talk show host like Spanos or the media. Shefter has been wrong, Peter King has been wrong (both saying the Broncos where not going to trade Cutler, even though Cutler not calling Bowlen had happened).

You believe in everything they feed you... when actually most of the time the ones creating or leaking the rumors is the camp of the beneficiary.
Yes the Rams are really upping the bidding war by bringing Denver with its 25th pick in the draft I mean the Skins and Browns must be scared ****tless.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:52 PM   #908
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Again.. this was the point I was trying to make.. Manning had a system in place he built over his whole career.. you think that is going to happen overnight in Denver without any coaches helping him? We saw how well the Broncos coaches adapted to Tebow.. they were awful. and all they had to do was keep McD's offense in place that was already there.. that was Tebow's offense.. that was why McD brought Tebow in. And Peyton had tons of experienced guys running his offense.. Broncos don't have that..
No, they were terrific with adapting to Tebow by any reasonabnle, objective standard. They crafted an offense midseason to adjust to his poor passing but unique running skills.

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How is Manning going to do that when the Oline was a sieve? They couldn't protect Orton or Tebow.. look how much better Orton looked on the Chiefs.. and the Chiefs stunk.. You are blaming Tebow for the olines weakness and the receivers weaknesses.. Tebow didn't even have Lloyd.. Tebow beat Roethlisbeger head to head.. what makes you think he couldn't have beat Peyton head to head on the Colts? He beat Philip Rivers head to head too. And Carson Palmer... with the world stacked against him. And he did it when Orton couldn't.. a conventional passer... who looked much better on the Chiefs..
You totally ignored my point that a passer with a quick release and audibling skills can mask OL problems. Again, Manning had two poor OTs protecting him in 2010 and he threw for 4700 yards and they won 10 games.

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Tebow's mobility masked the protection ineptitude.. Manning has no mobility... he could get SLAUGHTERED behind the Broncos inexperienced line with weak coaches around him. Weak run game and receivers too..
No, he would raise the game of the Denver WRs, who as Ive already pointed out are talented. Once again, Decker was on a 70 catch 12 TD pace before Tebow became the QB. Thomas put big numbers the last month + of the season just with Tebow throwing hail mary bombs at him. Manning's precision will take Thomas's game to another level, as any objetive person can see.

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Is Cam a beast? what does Tebow have that Cam doesn't? Other than Cam having a better offense around him.. If manning was smart he'd go to Carolina over over the Broncos in a heartbeat.. if you were Carolina would you play Peyton over Cam? If so then why not play Peyton over luck?
Cam has better passing skills. That's what he has over Tebow. Again, as any objective person can see.
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Getting traded is the best thing that could happen to Tebow..

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I bet 90% of the posters that joined in 2011 would stop posting.
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Nothing.
What does Cam have that Tebow doesn't?
He is a way way better pocket passer than Tebow is and Cam was a rookie last year, oh yeah he broke all of Manning's rookie records as well.
That's what i meant to say.. what does Cam have that Tebow doesn't?

He had a far better offense around him.. he is not a better pocket passer. He had turnovers all over the place and lost to horrible teams.. he had a grear offense around him and a much better coach is all.

Cam couldn't win games until he saw how Tebow did it.. Tebow made the playoffs when Cam couldn't..

Orton put up great numbers last season just like Cam did and Tebow outplayed Orton..
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That's what i meant to say.. what does Cam have that Tebow doesn't?

He had a far better offense around him.. he is not a better pocket passer. He had turnovers all over the place and lost to horrible teams.. he had a grear offense around him and a much better coach is all.

Cam couldn't win games until he saw how Tebow did it.. Tebow made the playoffs when Cam couldn't..

Orton put up great numbers last season just like Cam did and Tebow outplayed Orton..
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The problem is everyone seems to underestimate how good Tebow is and the impact he has on the team.. offensively and defensively. Same thing with the Offensive line.

If Manning comes it will be because he makes the same mistake.. and it will be a complete disaster for this reason..
And of course, YOU have not over-valued Tebow?
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:58 PM   #914
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That's what i meant to say.. what does Cam have that Tebow doesn't?

He had a far better offense around him.. he is not a better pocket passer. He had turnovers all over the place and lost to horrible teams.. he had a grear offense around him and a much better coach is all.

Cam couldn't win games until he saw how Tebow did it.. Tebow made the playoffs when Cam couldn't..

Orton put up great numbers last season just like Cam did and Tebow outplayed Orton..
. The Panthers started 1-7 and finished 5-3, showing that they are a team on the upswing. And by rookie standards, Cam did not do terribly with turnovers. 17 INTs is not bad. Manning threw 26 as a rookie. Cam also threw over 4000 yards, besting Manning rookie record output. Any fool can see Cam is a better passer than Tebow at this point.
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Yes.. it was a regular Algonquin Roundtable before...
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Yes the Rams are really upping the bidding war by bringing Denver with its 25th pick in the draft I mean the Skins and Browns must be scared ****tless.
You are too dumb. It's called speculation.... It's a way of making dumb ****s like yourself go to their site or column and read their crap. If you are able to put your homer/hater or whatvevre category you fall in...and step back and think about the rumors of past years, you could be able to realize that they err more than the times they are right.
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. The Panthers started 1-7 and finished 5-3, showing that they are a team on the upswing. And by rookie standards, Cam did not do terribly with turnovers. 17 INTs is not bad. Manning threw 26 as a rookie. Cam also threw over 4000 yards, besting Manning rookie record output. Any fool can see Cam is a better passer than Tebow at this point.
Tebow is better then Manning. Just look at what Tebow did in the SEC vs what Manning did. It's brain science, not to mention mind bottling that you don't know that.
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Congratulations haters, you got a circle jerk going on up in here.
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Kind of a funny statement. Here's a hint think QB.
Don't they have not one, but two athletic QB's who also are better running than throwing the ball?
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Let me reiterate what I've said elsewhere....anyone who has concerns about Manning due to his health has my full understanding. I have those serious reservations as well. But to contend that a healthy Manning is not a vast improvement over Tebow is total lunacy.
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You are too dumb. It's called speculation.... It's a way of making dumb ****s like yourself go to their site or column and read their crap. If you are able to put your homer/hater or whatvevre category you fall in...and step back and think about the rumors of past years, you could be able to realize that they err more than the times they are right.
So you think the FO is what % behind Tim Tebow? I mean seriously give me a figure. I think they are NOT behind him one bit. When there is smoke there is fire and right now Denver keeps making more smoke about Tebow.
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. The Panthers started 1-7 and finished 5-3, showing that they are a team on the upswing.
That doesn't mean they can't be a team on the downswing too.. look at Sam Bradford.. I thought he was all hype too..

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They are average.. the point is who cares how many yards you throw if you lose and you turn the ball over constantly.. you don't think Tebow could do that? Especially with the excellent O Cam had around him? The only reason Cam is overrated is because Fox was the coach before he got there. Clausen too.. anyone would look great after that.. which is why Tebow shouldn't be knocked when Fox is his coach..

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That's exactly what they said about Tebow versus

Orton
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As well.... yet he beat them...
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No the TEAM beat them
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Let me reiterate what I've said elsewhere....anyone who has concerns about Manning due to his health has my full understanding. I have those serious reservations as well. But to contend that a healthy Manning is not a vast improvement over Tebow is total lunacy.

We are talking about the Broncos as constructed now.. if you had a team with a good D and offense then Peyton would be your guy.. simply because he is more experienced.. but that isn't the case.

Tebow was able to outplay Orton for the same reason.. Tebow could overcome the Broncos flaws where a conventional QB couldn't A conventional QB needs all the pieces around him working to be their best... This is why Orton looked so much better on the Chiefs..
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No the TEAM beat them
They didn't when Orton was QB... how do you explain that?
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