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Old 03-08-2012, 05:16 PM   #876
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Yes because teams like the Giants, Pats, Packers, Saints, Pitt, Colts (just cut him), Panthers, Chargers should count.
Lions, Tigers(Bengals), and Bears could be added to that list.
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:17 PM   #877
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People fail to realize the lockout affected teams more that had complete overhauls in the coaching staff. Teams that had stability in their coaching staff had the same playbill. This team had a bunch of new players with a bunch of new coaches. That had something to do with going 1-4.
New layers? what are you talking about? That is exactly why they should have been successful.

It was Fox that changed the offense under such a short time.. he didn't have to do that... He did it to make his defense look better than it is..
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It will.. you are forgetting that if Manning comes to the Broncos the style of play will change. They will play more like McD did opening up the passing game.

This will expose all the weaknesses the Broncos have that Tebow covered up.

You are going to have the same team McD had.. and Manning's neck may be even more vulnerable than Orton at this point.. and you aren't going to have McD running the offense.. so Manning is going to have to do everything himself. In such a short time I don't see how that is going to work.. Manning did this over his whole career building the team around him and breaking guys in. Inexperienced receivers and Oline..
You grossly underestimate Manning. His ability to read defenses, audible a new play, and throw an incredibly accurate and fast pass right on target is what destroys defenses. He doesn't need nearly the time that Tebow does. I think it's hilarious you are so hung up on Tebow's jock, that you think Manning would make the team WORSE.

You can't possibly comment on this situation in an unbiased manner, therefore, your opinion can pretty much be summarily dismissed as jibberish.
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:17 PM   #879
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People fail to realize the lockout affected teams more that had complete overhauls in the coaching staff. Teams that had stability in their coaching staff had the same playbook. This team had a bunch of new players with a bunch of new coaches holding new playbooks trying to jam an offseason in a month. That had something to do with going 1-4.
Nope....Orton fumbling against the Raiders and Titans made that happen. Deny it all you want.
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It will.. you are forgetting that if Manning comes to the Broncos the style of play will change. They will play more like McD did opening up the passing game.

This will expose all the weaknesses the Broncos have that Tebow covered up.

You are going to have the same team McD had.. and Manning's neck may be even more vulnerable than Orton at this point.. and you aren't going to have McD running the offense.. so Manning is going to have to do everything himself. In such a short time I don't see how that is going to work.. Manning did this over his whole career building the team around him and breaking guys in. Inexperienced receivers and Oline..
It's already been reported that Denver has told Manning they will hand the reins to offense over to him and let him be the de facto OC. And while Tebow no doubt helped the running game, it's a joke to pretend he "masked the weaknesses" of the WRs. Decker was on a 70 catch 12 TD pace before Tebow took over. DeMaryius kept pace with Calvin Johnson at the end of the season with Tebow throwing hail marys up to him. Imagine what a precision passer like Manning could do for his game? Furthermore, a QB who can audible and get rid of the ball in a hurry mask a lot of protection problems, as Manning demonstrated in 2010 with a couple of below average tackles protecting him in Indy. Plus, you have the cap space to make additional improvements. You act like Tebow was some kind of beast. The best thing he did for the team was open up the running game and limit turnovers. Manning will open up the running game with the threat of the pass, and he's not exactly error prone either. If you have injury concerns, cool, that's warrented. But it's a total joke to compare the impact of a healthy Manning withe Tebow.
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:18 PM   #881
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People assume they will spend all that money and do so on good players, so we will see just what they do. They need help at RB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, CB, and maybe safety. Good luck becoming a Super Bowl contender with that list in one offseason.
good luck getting any traction with this argument...

the Shanny fans are having nerdgasms at the thought of going back to the days when all we had to do was sign a bunch of has-been FAs and we'd be back in the superbowl.

the Tebow haters are all lathered up because they think this is their chance to get rid of Tebow.

and the unicorns & rainbows crowd is happy because they think Manning will bring with him a bag of magic beans that will instantly cure all of the other problems this team has.

there will be a time for people to listen to sane arguments, but unfortunately it's not now. let them have their fun. instead of trying to educate them, i find gentle mocking is an enjoyable alternative.

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Old 03-08-2012, 05:19 PM   #882
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Wow, I didn't think for a minute the Broncs would really be serious players for Peyton, or Peyton would take it seriously. But a boatload of people think that is the case.

Have to wait and see how it pans out. If it does the implications are obviously enormous, both positive and negative.

I have to admit I'm getting a little excited about such a huge move actually happening.
They think this because people give no credit to Tebow for saving the team.. no one wants to admit Tebow was better than they said he was... they still assume Tebow is even holding the team back.. simply because Tebow plays an unconventional style. They don't realize how incredibly effective his unconventional style is..

If Manning falls for it his legacy is going to go right down the toilet along with Elway's...
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New layers? what are you talking about? That is exactly why they should have been successful.

It was Fox that changed the offense under such a short time.. he didn't have to do that... He did it to make his defense look better than it is..
Please, he did it because Tebow couldn't run the offense that was in place so they put in a gimmick offense
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Would still take Wayne, Bmarsh, Bess and Fassano (our TEs suck). Plus the have a way better OL than ours. (At least pass blocking wise)
Anthony Fasano is far from all world man. Hell Jeremy Shockey is a FA and put up the same numbers as Fasano. I like Bess but he isn't any better then Decker. Marshall is better then Thomas as of now. Hopefully Thomas takes the next step. Point is we have more money then the Phins so we can add more fire power then them.
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They think this because people give no credit to Tebow for saving the team
No, Tebow gets credit for opening up the running game and limiting turnovers. You give no credit to the defense for stepping up during the 6 game winning streak and give all the credit to Tebow despite the paltry offense he produced.
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good luck getting any traction with this argument...

the Shanny fans are having nerdgasms at the thought of going back to the days when all we had to do was sign a bunch of has-been FAs and we'd be back in the superbowl.

the Tebow haters are all lathered up because they think this is their chance to get rid of Tebow.

and the unicorns & rainbows crowd is happy because they think Manning will bring with him a bag of magic beans that will instantly cure all of the other problems this team has.

there will be a time for people to listen to sane arguments, but unfortunately it's not now. let them have their fun. instead of trying to educate them, i find gentle mocking is an enjoyable alternative.

No signing the right FA's and drafting well will help us get there. We drafted well and was smart in FA's last year and we doubled our wins. I guess that's not possible this year?
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Do you think once we sign Manning we're going to ignore the defense? I guarantee that will not happen.

Tebow under center or Manning under center, the same positions will be drafted.


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I'll go ahead and call this one for everybody -- the Broncos don't end up with Manning, and we end concluding in hindsight that this whole thing was botched from a PR standpoint.
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:26 PM   #889
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Went to Longhorn Steakhouse today for lunch, and was wearing Broncos hoodie....one of the other patrons walks up and says "God I hope your team doesn't sign Manning"

I'm figuring he's gotta be a non-bronco fan, so I ask him "why?" Thinking he'll say he wants his team to sign him.

He says "Tebow, man...that's my boy!"

Turns out I was right.....he's no Broncos fan.
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I'll go ahead and call this one for everybody -- the Broncos don't end up with Manning, and we end concluding in hindsight that this whole thing was botched from a PR standpoint.
If we swing and miss on Manning we will swing again for RGIII. Everything the FO does shows this.
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:29 PM   #891
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Manning would not sign with the Broncos with hopes they would then sign a bunch of free agents and hope they could be a very good team. People forget this team started out 1-4, coming off just going what 7-24 or whatever it was, and adding Manning is going to make this team a 11-12 win team? I just don't see this happening, at least for Manning's benefit.
It seems they forget this team finished 1-4, too.
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He says "Tebow, man...that's my boy!"

Turns out I was right.....he's no Broncos fan.
Maybe he's a Bronco fan who thinks Tebow has the potential to be a special QB and doesn't think dumping him for three years worth of Manning (who managed only one superbowl win in 14 years with the Colts) is worth it.

Or is that line of thinking restricted to Tebow fans only?
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If we swing and miss on Manning we will swing again for RGIII. Everything the FO does shows this.
And miss again.

Search your heart. You know this ends up with no Manning, no Tebow, no RGIII.
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It's already been reported that Denver has told Manning they will hand the reins to offense over to him and let him be the de facto OC.
Again.. this was the point I was trying to make.. Manning had a system in place he built over his whole career.. you think that is going to happen overnight in Denver without any coaches helping him? We saw how well the Broncos coaches adapted to Tebow.. they were awful. and all they had to do was keep McD's offense in place that was already there.. that was Tebow's offense.. that was why McD brought Tebow in. And Peyton had tons of experienced guys running his offense.. Broncos don't have that..

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And while Tebow no doubt helped the running game, it's a joke to pretend he "masked the weaknesses" of the WRs. Decker was on a 70 catch 12 TD pace before Tebow took over. DeMaryius kept pace with Calvin Johnson at the end of the season with Tebow throwing hail marys up to him. Imagine what a precision passer like Manning could do for his game?
How is Manning going to do that when the Oline was a sieve? They couldn't protect Orton or Tebow.. look how much better Orton looked on the Chiefs.. and the Chiefs stunk.. You are blaming Tebow for the olines weakness and the receivers weaknesses.. Tebow didn't even have Lloyd.. Tebow beat Roethlisbeger head to head.. what makes you think he couldn't have beat Peyton head to head on the Colts? He beat Philip Rivers head to head too. And Carson Palmer... with the world stacked against him. And he did it when Orton couldn't.. a conventional passer... who looked much better on the Chiefs..

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Furthermore, a QB who can audible and get rid of the ball in a hurry mask a lot of protection problems, as Manning demonstrated in 2010 with a couple of below average tackles protecting him in Indy. Plus, you have the cap space to make additional improvements.
Tebow's mobility masked the protection ineptitude.. Manning has no mobility... he could get SLAUGHTERED behind the Broncos inexperienced line with weak coaches around him. Weak run game and receivers too..

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Is Cam a beast? what does Tebow have that Cam doesn't? Other than Cam having a better offense around him.. If manning was smart he'd go to Carolina over over the Broncos in a heartbeat.. if you were Carolina would you play Peyton over Cam? If so then why not play Peyton over luck?
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And miss again.

Search your heart. You know this ends up with no Manning, no Tebow, no RGIII.
I don't see how Tebow is gone if we miss on Manning or RGIII. He won't ask to be traded cause of the lack of support the FO gives him.
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If we swing and miss on Manning we will swing again for RGIII. Everything the FO does shows this.
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I don't see how Tebow is gone if we miss on Manning or RGIII. He won't ask to be traded cause of the lack of support the FO gives him.
Tebow won't. But this is the beginning of the end. Not because they went after Manning. But because they aggressively leaked that Tebow would be dumped if they got Manning.
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You should have stayed a non active poster. You ignore the fact that Denver was being linked as one of the teams talking to the Rams for the number two pick. Elway doesn't want Tebow I really don't get why you don't understand that.
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Tebow won't. But this is the beginning of the end. Not because they went after Manning. But because they aggressively leaked that Tebow would be dumped if they got Manning.
Elway really doesn't have much tact or guile, does he? it's been one misstep after another from him since he got the job. maybe Bowlen ought to look up Tommy Maddox and see if he'd be interested in being groomed for a FO job...

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