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Old 03-08-2012, 04:48 PM   #851
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Yeah, I also like the idea of a one year rental of Saturday to replace that turd we have at C. Move Franklin to LG and hope that Harris is back to form. Clady, Franklin, Saturday, Kuper, and Harris should be more then enough to keep Manning safe.
We could also look at Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs at guard. Nicks is probably going to become the highest paid guard in the league at between $8-$9 million per season, so he may be too rich, but Grubbs is a high quality player and will probably be around at least $1.5 million-$2 million per season cheaper.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:49 PM   #852
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What planet are you from? I forgot.
Who did Orton play worse under.. the great Elway and Fox or McD?

Elway is supposed to be some QB God and the offense was what was holding the team back with Orton as well..

When McD was there the offense played much better.. it was the D and run game that were weak. Elway brought nothing of value to the offense..

That is probably why he is hoping Manning will save him.. but it's just going to get worse..
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Even if the Broncos were to get Manning, they would need to add more weapons on offense, which is the same if Tebow is the QB. But the only way Manning doesn't sign with Miami and signs with the Broncos is if they offer a ton of guaranteed money which is stupid for a guy coming off multiple neck surgeries and likely going to take hits unless the OL pass protects better.
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I think with our cap room we could make our WR way better then Miami. IMO there are quite a few talented WR's out there to mix with Decker and Thomas.
He would have BMarsh, Wayne, Fassano and Bess. Thats way better than what he would have here. Pass that **** you are smoking around!!!
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Who did Orton play worse under.. the great Elway and Fox or McD?

Elway is supposed to be some QB God and the offense was what was holding the team back with Orton as well..

When McD was there the offense played much better.. it was the D and run game that were weak. Elway brought nothing of value to the offense..

That is probably why he is hoping Manning will save him.. but it's just going to get worse..
I see. Manning is not only comparable to Orton, but will actually make things worse. Makes a ton of sense
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Even if the Broncos were to get Manning, they would need to add more weapons on offense, which is the same if Tebow is the QB. But the only way Manning doesn't sign with Miami and signs with the Broncos is if they offer a ton of guaranteed money which is stupid for a guy coming off multiple neck surgeries and likely going to take hits unless the OL pass protects better.
The problem is everyone seems to underestimate how good Tebow is and the impact he has on the team.. offensively and defensively. Same thing with the Offensive line.

If Manning comes it will be because he makes the same mistake.. and it will be a complete disaster for this reason..
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He would have BMarsh, Wayne, Fassano and Bess. Thats way better than what he would have here. Pass that **** you are smoking around!!!
IF they sign Wayne. Also, you are not considering the possiblity of Thomas and Decker making big strides. The last month + of the season, Thomas was right on pace with Calvin Johnson. Decker was on a 70 catch 12 TD pace before Tebow got into the lineup.
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He would have BMarsh, Wayne, Fassano and Bess. Thats way better than what he would have here. Pass that **** you are smoking around!!!
I missed the part where Miami signed Wayne. Link?
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The problem is everyone seems to underestimate how good Tebow is and the impact he has on the team.. offensively and defensively. Same thing with the Offensive line.

If Manning comes it will be because he makes the same mistake.. and it will be a complete disaster for this reason..
The problem is you seem to overestimate how good Tebow is
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The problem is everyone seems to underestimate how good Tebow is and the impact he has on the team.. offensively and defensively. Same thing with the Offensive line.

If Manning comes it will be because he makes the same mistake.. and it will be a complete disaster for this reason..
True, I would be surprised to see Manning sign with the Broncos unless it was just for the money. They are not a Super Bowl team even if had a healthy Manning of 4 years ago much less now. They would also have to trade Tebow since that move would signal no confidence in him and maybe have to anyway if just trying to pursue Manning.
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True, I would be surprised to see Manning sign with the Broncos unless it was just for the money. They are not a Super Bowl team even if had a healthy Manning of 4 years ago much less now.
If they were to stand pat with the roster as is, you're right. But even if they sign Manning, they will have ~$35 million of cap space to play around with, plus the draft.
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I see. Manning is not only comparable to Orton, but will actually make things worse. Makes a ton of sense
It will.. you are forgetting that if Manning comes to the Broncos the style of play will change. They will play more like McD did opening up the passing game.

This will expose all the weaknesses the Broncos have that Tebow covered up.

You are going to have the same team McD had.. and Manning's neck may be even more vulnerable than Orton at this point.. and you aren't going to have McD running the offense.. so Manning is going to have to do everything himself. In such a short time I don't see how that is going to work.. Manning did this over his whole career building the team around him and breaking guys in. Inexperienced receivers and Oline..
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What a better way to build a team than the bring in all the free agents into sort of an "all star" team!

I mean, the Eagles just won the Superbowl, right?
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If they were to stand pat with the roster as is, you're right. But even if they sign Manning, they will have ~$35 million of cap space to play around with, plus the draft.
People assume they will spend all that money and do so on good players, so we will see just what they do. They need help at RB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, CB, and maybe safety. Good luck becoming a Super Bowl contender with that list in one offseason.
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We could also look at Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs at guard. Nicks is probably going to become the highest paid guard in the league at between $8-$9 million per season, so he may be too rich, but Grubbs is a high quality player and will probably be around at least $1.5 million-$2 million per season cheaper.
I almost would rather see what Franklin could do at left guard. Thoughts on moving him there and signing Demetrius Bell? With Tebow as the starter I would love to see him at RT.
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I missed the part where Miami signed Wayne. Link?
If Manning goes to Miami...Wayne is a packaged deal! Take it to the bank!


http://http://profootballtalk.nbcspo...yton-in-miami/

WR is a big need in MIA....so yeah! Try to doubt that. And Garcon (or how ever you write his name) is going to keep an eye out for Manning too. He rejected a 5 year deal from the Colts...even though he knew Luck is going #1 and that WR is huge need for the Colts.
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The problem is you seem to overestimate how good Tebow is
How is that possible? Orton played well on another team.. with no prep.. this shows that the problems were the Broncos team around Orton.

Because Tebow was so unique he could win even with such a flawed team.. he could cover up their weaknesses.. I don't think a conventional QB like Manning could do that.. even as great as he is. He couldn't do it with the Colts why could he with the Broncos?

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True, I would be surprised to see Manning sign with the Broncos unless it was just for the money. They are not a Super Bowl team even if had a healthy Manning of 4 years ago much less now. They would also have to trade Tebow since that move would signal no confidence in him and maybe have to anyway if just trying to pursue Manning.
I disagree. I don't think the Broncos or most teams are nearly as far away from a Super Bowl as you say. The 9-7 Giants won a Super Bowl this year. There are no great teams right now. Any team with a QB like Manning is a contender. Not to mention a team that can rush the passer like Dumervil and Miller.
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If Manning goes to Miami...Wayne is a packaged deal! Take it to the bank!


http://http://profootballtalk.nbcspo...yton-in-miami/

WR is a big need in MIA....so yeah! Try to doubt that. And Garcon (or how ever you write his name) is going to keep an eye out for Manning too. He rejected a 5 year deal from the Colts...even though he knew Luck is going #1 and that WR is huge need for the Colts.
So he hasn't signed with the Phins yet? Gotcha. WR is a huge need in Denver too so I bet he is a packaged deal here so I guess that means we have Thomas, Decker, and Wayne.
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What a better way to build a team than the bring in all the free agents into sort of an "all star" team!

I mean, the Eagles just won the Superbowl, right?
Kind of a funny statement. Here's a hint think QB.
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I disagree. I don't think the Broncos or most teams are nearly as far away from a Super Bowl as you say. The 9-7 Giants won a Super Bowl this year. There are no great teams right now. Any team with a QB like Manning is a contender. Not to mention a team that can rush the passer like Dumervil and Miller.
So the Broncos have as much talent as the Giants do? Miller and Dumervil did not exactly have much impact in games when they faced really good offenses.
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What a better way to build a team than the bring in all the free agents into sort of an "all star" team!

I mean, the Eagles just won the Superbowl, right?
No it's not. We have cap room so might as well add talent though wouldn't you agree?
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No it's not. We have cap room so might as well add talent though wouldn't you agree?
Adding a couple of late 20s free agents to long term deals is okay by me, but adding a 36 year old 4-neck-surgery QB to a rebuilding team is just a waste of resources.
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Adding a couple of late 20s free agents to long term deals is okay by me, but adding a 36 year old 4-neck-surgery QB to a rebuilding team is just a waste of resources.
Almost half the NFL GMs/FO don't agree with you at all.
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