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Old 03-08-2012, 04:24 PM   #826
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I think with our cap room we could make our WR way better then Miami. IMO there are quite a few talented WR's out there to mix with Decker and Thomas.
True. Thomas and Decker were both inconsistent last season, with Decker having a strong start and underwhelming finish, and Thomas ending the season on a big note. A lot of folks mention pairing Reggie Wayne with Manning, but don't forget about Pierre Garcon. He's a FA, too, and he put up similar numbers to Wayne this season, is significantly younger, and may be cheaper as well. Throw him into the mix, and I think that has the potential be to be a good, young WR trio.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:25 PM   #827
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Name me one talent evaluator that said Tebow could outplay Orton last season....

Yet he blew his ass out of the water...

Tebow is arguably the most unconventional QB in NFL history in comparison to the standard of the time.

People have it completely backward when they believe that Tebow is a "project".. he may be a "project" nut not anywhere NEAR what it is conventional considered to be.. Tebow is a project that is GUARANTEED to be a success.. because he DOMINATED at every level even being unpolished.

Guys like Luck were POLISHED..and couldn't accomplish what Tebow did unpolished...

NFL people are STUPID.. they can't understand something that is outside their frame of reference... and people are afraid to go against "conventional wisdom"

And for some reason when a player hasn't shown any weaknesses they are viewed as some flawless god. Just like Cam Newton coming off one great season in college. If he had stayed another year and had a weak team around him and looked like crap he likely would have dropped in the draft just like Locker did... If Luck played in the SEC the same would have happened to him.. but he didn't so it's as if he has no flaws and is perfect.. it's a fantasy world..
You just changed my mind. I want Manning now. Please GTFO.
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Now, two other teams who could get involved are Seattle and Arizona. I could see Arizona being VERY attractive with their defense and of course the presence of Fitzgerald. But it remains to be seen how agressive they will be. They invested a good bit in Kolb, so they may be hesitant to chalk that up to a sunk cost at this point. Seattle has deep pockets with Paul Allen, so they could emerge as well, but I'm not sure that their roster is anymore attractive than ours. I guess if you count on Sidney Rice being healthy that would help, but he hasn't been healthy for a couple of seasons now.
To add to this, I just checked out the cap numbers for Arizona and Seattle.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/m...9798.htmlstory

Arizona is just $10,262,234 under, so they might have to do some maneuvering to fit Manning under, then they probably wouldn't be left with much to pursue other free agents. Seattle sits at $31,535,388 under, so they could be a seriously player if they choose to be.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:29 PM   #829
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Come down off the ledge McGruder it will be alright as soon as you accept that Tebow just isn't that good
You got it wrong dude.. IF Elway pulls the trigger on manning I will laugh my ass off for years. He will become the Michael Jordan of NFL executives..

Manning won't last a week behind the Broncos line. The run game and defense will disappear without Tebow and you will see this team for what it really is.

Tebow will go to another team with a real coach and will show how great he really use and how horribly under utilized he was in Denver...
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True. Thomas and Decker were both inconsistent last season, with Decker having a strong start and underwhelming finish, and Thomas ending the season on a big note. A lot of folks mention pairing Reggie Wayne with Manning, but don't forget about Pierre Garcon. He's a FA, too, and he put up similar numbers to Wayne this season, is significantly younger, and may be cheaper as well. Throw him into the mix, and I think that has the potential be to be a good, young WR trio.
Colston is a FA, Llyod (hehe), Vincent Jackson, Mario Manningham, Laurent Robinson (kind of a sleeper), Robert Meachem, and Braylon Edwards are all out there as well as Wayne and Garcon. I'm not sure the Phins can add as much talent as we could. If Elway told Manning tell me who you want and we will go get him I'm sure that would help us out a bunch.
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You just changed my mind. I want Manning now. Please GTFO.
Perfect.. that is exactly what I want to happen. Elway and Fox will bench him for some other Ortonesque vet even if Manning isn't there anyway. Getting traded is the best thing that could happen to Tebow..
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Colston is a FA, Llyod (hehe), Vincent Jackson, Mario Manningham, Laurent Robinson (kind of a sleeper), Robert Meachem, and Braylon Edwards are all out there as well as Wayne and Garcon. I'm not sure the Phins can add as much talent as we could. If Elway told Manning tell me who you want and we will go get him I'm sure that would help us out a bunch.
Yep, there is a lot of depth at WR in this years FA class. I was specifically thinking of Garcon because he already has a report established with Manning.
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You got it wrong dude.. IF Elway pulls the trigger on manning I will laugh my ass off for years. He will become the Michael Jordan of NFL executives..

Manning won't last a week behind the Broncos line. The run game and defense will disappear without Tebow and you will see this team for what it really is.

Tebow will go to another team with a real coach and will show how great he really use and how horribly under utilized he was in Denver...
Not hardly
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Perfect.. that is exactly what I want to happen. Elway and Fox will bench him for some other Ortonesque vet even if Manning isn't there anyway. Getting traded is the best thing that could happen to Tebow..
I hope you die in a fire bro.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:36 PM   #836
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I hope you die in a fire bro.
That's exactly what is happening to this team under Elway.. Tebow just masks the stink.. You saw the reality before Tebow started.. far worse than under Mcd...
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That's exactly what is happening to this team under Elway.. Tebow just masks the stink.. You saw the reality before Tebow started.. far worse than under Mcd...
What planet are you from? I forgot.
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Yep, there is a lot of depth at WR in this years FA class. I was specifically thinking of Garcon because he already has a report established with Manning.
Yeah, I also like the idea of a one year rental of Saturday to replace that turd we have at C. Move Franklin to LG and hope that Harris is back to form. Clady, Franklin, Saturday, Kuper, and Harris should be more then enough to keep Manning safe.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:48 PM   #839
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Yeah, I also like the idea of a one year rental of Saturday to replace that turd we have at C. Move Franklin to LG and hope that Harris is back to form. Clady, Franklin, Saturday, Kuper, and Harris should be more then enough to keep Manning safe.
We could also look at Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs at guard. Nicks is probably going to become the highest paid guard in the league at between $8-$9 million per season, so he may be too rich, but Grubbs is a high quality player and will probably be around at least $1.5 million-$2 million per season cheaper.
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What planet are you from? I forgot.
Who did Orton play worse under.. the great Elway and Fox or McD?

Elway is supposed to be some QB God and the offense was what was holding the team back with Orton as well..

When McD was there the offense played much better.. it was the D and run game that were weak. Elway brought nothing of value to the offense..

That is probably why he is hoping Manning will save him.. but it's just going to get worse..
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Even if the Broncos were to get Manning, they would need to add more weapons on offense, which is the same if Tebow is the QB. But the only way Manning doesn't sign with Miami and signs with the Broncos is if they offer a ton of guaranteed money which is stupid for a guy coming off multiple neck surgeries and likely going to take hits unless the OL pass protects better.
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I think with our cap room we could make our WR way better then Miami. IMO there are quite a few talented WR's out there to mix with Decker and Thomas.
He would have BMarsh, Wayne, Fassano and Bess. Thats way better than what he would have here. Pass that **** you are smoking around!!!
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Who did Orton play worse under.. the great Elway and Fox or McD?

Elway is supposed to be some QB God and the offense was what was holding the team back with Orton as well..

When McD was there the offense played much better.. it was the D and run game that were weak. Elway brought nothing of value to the offense..

That is probably why he is hoping Manning will save him.. but it's just going to get worse..
I see. Manning is not only comparable to Orton, but will actually make things worse. Makes a ton of sense
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Even if the Broncos were to get Manning, they would need to add more weapons on offense, which is the same if Tebow is the QB. But the only way Manning doesn't sign with Miami and signs with the Broncos is if they offer a ton of guaranteed money which is stupid for a guy coming off multiple neck surgeries and likely going to take hits unless the OL pass protects better.
The problem is everyone seems to underestimate how good Tebow is and the impact he has on the team.. offensively and defensively. Same thing with the Offensive line.

If Manning comes it will be because he makes the same mistake.. and it will be a complete disaster for this reason..
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He would have BMarsh, Wayne, Fassano and Bess. Thats way better than what he would have here. Pass that **** you are smoking around!!!
IF they sign Wayne. Also, you are not considering the possiblity of Thomas and Decker making big strides. The last month + of the season, Thomas was right on pace with Calvin Johnson. Decker was on a 70 catch 12 TD pace before Tebow got into the lineup.
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He would have BMarsh, Wayne, Fassano and Bess. Thats way better than what he would have here. Pass that **** you are smoking around!!!
I missed the part where Miami signed Wayne. Link?
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The problem is everyone seems to underestimate how good Tebow is and the impact he has on the team.. offensively and defensively. Same thing with the Offensive line.

If Manning comes it will be because he makes the same mistake.. and it will be a complete disaster for this reason..
The problem is you seem to overestimate how good Tebow is
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The problem is everyone seems to underestimate how good Tebow is and the impact he has on the team.. offensively and defensively. Same thing with the Offensive line.

If Manning comes it will be because he makes the same mistake.. and it will be a complete disaster for this reason..
True, I would be surprised to see Manning sign with the Broncos unless it was just for the money. They are not a Super Bowl team even if had a healthy Manning of 4 years ago much less now. They would also have to trade Tebow since that move would signal no confidence in him and maybe have to anyway if just trying to pursue Manning.
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True, I would be surprised to see Manning sign with the Broncos unless it was just for the money. They are not a Super Bowl team even if had a healthy Manning of 4 years ago much less now.
If they were to stand pat with the roster as is, you're right. But even if they sign Manning, they will have ~$35 million of cap space to play around with, plus the draft.
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